Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims

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Re: Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
Reply #30 - January 11, 2011, 03:02 AM

Great thread, lots of good advice in here

My 2 cents:
~ Make friends with other ex-muslims in real life if you can. Find them on this forum or other places around the 'net if you don't know any already. I've gotten to know a few via Facebook and we have created quite a circle in our part of the world - 2 of my good friends have even fallen in love and gotten married (both ex-muslim atheists). We get together often, have become quite close friends and help each other out with various things like listening to each other, relating, sharing ideas, partying, supporting each other. It's given all of us a lot of confidence and a sense of community that most of us were sorely lacking. It can be difficult to trust people online, and I'd advise everyone to be very careful as there are all sorts hanging around on the 'net. But over time, you could meet some awesome people if you proceed slowly and use your best judgement. When in doubt, best to err on the side of caution, but don't isolate yourself completely if you don't have to. It can be great to have even a couple of like-minded people a phone call or text away.

~I can't put enough emphasis on working on getting yourself financially independent, especially for the ex-muslim women, but for all ex-muslims really. It's the #1 advice and it will help you throughout your life to not be financially dependent on anyone for your own survival. Get a career, get a degree, a certification, in something you can do that will pay the bills if you need to move away and live on your own. Even if you don't have to, it will make your parents, and your partner respect you more than if you are dependent upon them for your finances.

~Read, write, make art, do something to express yourself creatively. Having a lot of pent up feelings of anger, sadness, loneliness, betrayal, etc. is bad for your health. Most ex-muslims (and lots of people in general) feel these things, and besides having a few good, trust-worthy friends, it's the best thing for your mental health to have a creative outlet or 2 or 3.

~Exercise, and try to eat healthy. Your health is very important and skimping on it is not a good idea.

~Nothing wrong with a bit of experimentation, but know that only you are responsible for your life once you are an adult. If you waste your life away on doing too many drugs/alcohol, you will have nobody but yourself to hold responsible. It's a lot harder to change bad habits so don't do anything that is permanently debilitating to you.

~Help out those younger than you who may be having similar issues. Mark Twain said "The best way to cheer yourself up is to cheer someone else up." Besides your own siblings, you can try to listen and support cousins, friends, people in your school etc. You can also volunteer your time to help those less fortunate than you. All these things will help you "get out of your head" and get over some of the lonely moments too.

~Keep on learning - always be open to learning better ways to look at the world, better ways to do things. Remember what it was like for you as you grew up and try to be compassionate towards others.

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Re: Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
Reply #31 - January 11, 2011, 03:14 AM

Well if there is any advice I could give to younger ex-muslims from my experience is
1) Don't ever leave your education or drop out of college or school even if you have to take loans to sustain yourself, I don't like loans but it is the only way for us to survive most of the time.

2) Don't spend like a moron, watch your budget and live by your budget.

3) Don't get addicted to anything. seriously DON'T GET ADDICTED TO ANYTHING specially cigarettes, this shit will eat your money.

4) Go out and have fun, be stupid but don't be too stupid

5) Make new friends and make sure they aren't Muslims.

6) Enjoy your life as much as you can.

7) Stay out of trouble.

Don't get speeding tickets as well these really hurt

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Re: Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
Reply #32 - August 18, 2011, 07:38 PM

5) Make new friends and make sure they aren't Muslims.

But what if u have realy good frends that are Muslim? Should we hafta give up our frends? can we just agree to disagree? there are still alot of good qualities that I like in muslims and when i talk to non muslims at school and places I dont like alot in how they talk and the things they like to do. I dont wanna drink or do drugs or hook up but I do want to do my eyebrows and wear a little make up and some nice clothes and just go out sometimes. it seems there are big opposites and its hard to find a medium place to fit in.

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Re: Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
Reply #33 - August 18, 2011, 07:49 PM

Quote from: Kod on January 11, 2011, 03:14 AM
Well if there is any advice I could give to younger ex-muslims from my experience is
1) Don't ever leave your education or drop out of college or school even if you have to take loans to sustain yourself, I don't like loans but it is the only way for us to survive most of the time.

2) Don't spend like a moron, watch your budget and live by your budget.

3) Don't get addicted to anything. seriously DON'T GET ADDICTED TO ANYTHING specially cigarettes, this shit will eat your money.

4) Go out and have fun, be stupid but don't be too stupid

5) Make new friends and make sure they aren't Muslims.

6) Enjoy your life as much as you can.

7) Stay out of trouble.

Don't get speeding tickets as well these really hurt

Wow Kod I'm impressed!
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Re: Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
Reply #34 - August 18, 2011, 07:56 PM

Quote from: katnip on August 18, 2011, 07:38 PM
5) Make new friends and make sure they aren't Muslims.

But what if u have realy good frends that are Muslim? Should we hafta give up our frends? can we just agree to disagree? there are still alot of good qualities that I like in muslims and when i talk to non muslims at school and places I dont like alot in how they talk and the things they like to do. I dont wanna drink or do drugs or hook up but I do want to do my eyebrows and wear a little make up and some nice clothes and just go out sometimes. it seems there are big opposites and its hard to find a medium place to fit in.

Just make sure the Muslim friends are open minded. At the end of the day it's the person themselves that's important - not what label they have.
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Re: Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
Reply #35 - August 18, 2011, 07:57 PM

Quote from: Kod on January 11, 2011, 03:14 AM
Well if there is any advice I could give to younger ex-muslims from my experience is
1) Don't ever leave your education or drop out of college or school even if you have to take loans to sustain yourself, I don't like loans but it is the only way for us to survive most of the time.

2) Don't spend like a moron, watch your budget and live by your budget.

3) Don't get addicted to anything. seriously DON'T GET ADDICTED TO ANYTHING specially cigarettes, this shit will eat your money.

4) Go out and have fun, be stupid but don't be too stupid

5) Make new friends and make sure they aren't Muslims.

6) Enjoy your life as much as you can.

7) Stay out of trouble.

Don't get speeding tickets as well these really hurt

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Re: Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
Reply #36 - August 18, 2011, 08:07 PM

Good post by HO..

Financial independence is KEY for so many on the forums. There are a lot of really young people here who wanna lash out and break free of the bonds of Islam and their repressive familiies, but as passionate as you are you need to tow the line until you are on your own two feet. As the yanks say "freedom isn't free"... it really isn't and it's something that you can have only with financial independence.. unless you want to be homeless, poor or miserable.

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Re: Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
Reply #37 - August 18, 2011, 08:25 PM

Quote from: Sir Wankalot on August 18, 2011, 07:49 PM

Wow Kod I'm impressed!

lol ty
I learned the hardway lool

Quote from: ChinaDoll on August 18, 2011, 07:57 PM
COOL STORY BRO

u mad sis ?

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Reply #38 - August 18, 2011, 08:26 PM

For those of you who never tried weed or ciggarate, never try it. Stay clean.

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Re: Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
Reply #39 - August 18, 2011, 08:31 PM

if I may add, don't trust people too much..

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[13:37] <Fimbles> is wacko
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Re: Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
Reply #40 - August 18, 2011, 08:33 PM

Quote from: Kod on August 18, 2011, 08:31 PM
if I may add, don't trust people too much..

I didn't trust others even as a Muslim.

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Re: Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
Reply #41 - August 18, 2011, 08:34 PM

Quote from: billy on January 04, 2011, 12:43 AM
You should write a self-help book for young ex muslims HO.

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Reply #42 - August 18, 2011, 08:38 PM

Quote from: Naija Infidel on August 18, 2011, 08:26 PM
For those of you who never tried weed or ciggarate, never try it. Stay clean.

Really? I can understand cigarettes but weed too?

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Re: Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
Reply #43 - August 18, 2011, 08:41 PM

+1 z10

weed ? u crazy?? :|

i should add to my list smoke too much weed

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[13:37] <Fimbles> is wacko
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Reply #44 - August 18, 2011, 09:12 PM

1) Stay alone in a studio flat if you can, roommates suck unless its a hot single chick.

2) Try to cook at home, eating out is expensive. (I need to take my own advice here).

3) Education is important. (I learnt teh hard way). Don't drop out.

4) Don't tell parents about your apostasy, pretend to be a muslim. Its kind of amusing and there's less drama.

5) If living in a muslim country, don't tell anyone of apostasy. Its mildly amusing, sometimes frustrating, but the alternative can be death.

Quote from: King Tut on December 09, 2012, 06:28 PM
Yeah an I am super ugly, I can't even beat my chest am too skinny and when I roaaar to attract women, they laugh at me, because it sounds like a girl screaming. I can't even attract any bitches!
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Re: Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
Reply #45 - August 19, 2011, 08:54 AM

Quote from: allat on January 11, 2011, 03:02 AM
Great thread, lots of good advice in here

My 2 cents:
~ Make friends with other ex-muslims in real life if you can. Find them on this forum or other places around the 'net if you don't know any already. I've gotten to know a few via Facebook and we have created quite a circle in our part of the world - 2 of my good friends have even fallen in love and gotten married (both ex-muslim atheists). We get together often, have become quite close friends and help each other out with various things like listening to each other, relating, sharing ideas, partying, supporting each other. It's given all of us a lot of confidence and a sense of community that most of us were sorely lacking. It can be difficult to trust people online, and I'd advise everyone to be very careful as there are all sorts hanging around on the 'net. But over time, you could meet some awesome people if you proceed slowly and use your best judgement. When in doubt, best to err on the side of caution, but don't isolate yourself completely if you don't have to. It can be great to have even a couple of like-minded people a phone call or text away.

~I can't put enough emphasis on working on getting yourself financially independent, especially for the ex-muslim women, but for all ex-muslims really. It's the #1 advice and it will help you throughout your life to not be financially dependent on anyone for your own survival. Get a career, get a degree, a certification, in something you can do that will pay the bills if you need to move away and live on your own. Even if you don't have to, it will make your parents, and your partner respect you more than if you are dependent upon them for your finances.

~Read, write, make art, do something to express yourself creatively. Having a lot of pent up feelings of anger, sadness, loneliness, betrayal, etc. is bad for your health. Most ex-muslims (and lots of people in general) feel these things, and besides having a few good, trust-worthy friends, it's the best thing for your mental health to have a creative outlet or 2 or 3.

~Exercise, and try to eat healthy. Your health is very important and skimping on it is not a good idea.

~Nothing wrong with a bit of experimentation, but know that only you are responsible for your life once you are an adult. If you waste your life away on doing too many drugs/alcohol, you will have nobody but yourself to hold responsible. It's a lot harder to change bad habits so don't do anything that is permanently debilitating to you.

~Help out those younger than you who may be having similar issues. Mark Twain said "The best way to cheer yourself up is to cheer someone else up." Besides your own siblings, you can try to listen and support cousins, friends, people in your school etc. You can also volunteer your time to help those less fortunate than you. All these things will help you "get out of your head" and get over some of the lonely moments too.

~Keep on learning - always be open to learning better ways to look at the world, better ways to do things. Remember what it was like for you as you grew up and try to be compassionate towards others.

Awesome list allat.

I would just like to add.

When dating, being an ex muslim free from Islam does not somehow protect you from infection or pregnancy, so strap up people and stay safe.

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Re: Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
Reply #46 - August 19, 2011, 03:55 PM

few things I learned

1) Time heals all wounds… regardless of how you feel right now.

2) Your health is your life. Take care of your body.

3) Take lots of pictures. Someday you’ll be really glad you did.
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Reply #47 - August 19, 2011, 03:56 PM

Quote from: Ra1919 on August 19, 2011, 03:55 PM
3) Take lots of pictures. Someday you’ll be really glad you did.

BEST advice.

Quote from: King Tut on December 09, 2012, 06:28 PM
Yeah an I am super ugly, I can't even beat my chest am too skinny and when I roaaar to attract women, they laugh at me, because it sounds like a girl screaming. I can't even attract any bitches!
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Reply #48 - August 19, 2011, 03:58 PM

I've never seen this thread before .. how funny is that?
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Reply #49 - August 19, 2011, 04:10 PM

Quote from: Ra1919 on August 19, 2011, 03:55 PM
few things I learned

1) Time heals all wounds… regardless of how you feel right now.

2) Your health is your life. Take care of your body.

3) Take lots of pictures. Someday you’ll be really glad you did.

Why the fuck is zakir naik your avatar?

Quote from: King Tut on December 09, 2012, 06:28 PM
Yeah an I am super ugly, I can't even beat my chest am too skinny and when I roaaar to attract women, they laugh at me, because it sounds like a girl screaming. I can't even attract any bitches!
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Re: Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
Reply #50 - August 24, 2011, 05:07 PM

I don't know, as a 21 year old guy I feel kind of discouraged by some of the advice.

I have interests but none of them are enough to motivate me into any field. I lived at uni got drunk alot and had fun, though I could never get a date. I did a degree in film because there is no other field I have the capacity to study for. I have poor academic grades, I tried really hard in school but got bad grades anyway. I am actually very good with saving money.

Me, personally, I am going to run off to one of those hippy communes and smoke weed and till I die, that is if I don't kill myself living amongst society.

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Reply #51 - August 24, 2011, 06:15 PM

Quote from: saleri on August 24, 2011, 05:07 PM
Me, personally, I am going to run off to one of those hippy communes and smoke weed and till I die, that is if I don't kill myself living amongst society.

That's precisely what I feel like these days.

AND I'M 16, THIS SHOULDN'T BE HAPPENING.

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Reply #52 - August 24, 2011, 07:00 PM

If you can get the grades, then you will get a job and kids and that is apparently the happy life. After you get all that stuff you can come onto threads like this and add your "2 cents" to all the other kids trying to make it in this world.

I hate this whole thread, its full of such BS. I've put effort into trying to do things with my life but its clear that for some reasons I do not have that ability. Since I am unable to acquire the means to be self-sufficient or self-motivate. Options are slowly narrowing for me, fortunately, expiring oneself requires no grades or forced ambition.

Before anyone tries to get on the motivating train, I just want to remind you that in this capitalist system, it is required that some individuals not make it beyond certain points, society only has a certain capacity and ability to accommodate a limited number of people. In 2009 suicide rates were 5,706, I imagine they haven't changed much. There are people required to fill those statistics so not everyone is meant for saving.

I think the best life to live would be one where you would not have to think about your own existence, like sleeping or dreaming. Where one does not feel oneself, where the individual is so intoxicated, so psychologically dismantled that he has no preferences, no judgement, no character or ability to polarise life.

I stopped believing the great big space daddy because it is a form of self-restriction, it is the metaphorical expression of the psychological pain and effort required to keep oneself together...yet, its so easy to let go, its so much easier to let everything fall into a great void of nothingness.

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Re: Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
Reply #53 - August 24, 2011, 07:10 PM

Quote from: saleri on August 24, 2011, 07:00 PM
I hate this whole thread, its full of such BS. I've put effort into trying to do things with my life but its clear that for some reasons I do not have that ability. Since I am unable to acquire the means to be self-sufficient or self-motivate. Options are slowly narrowing for me, fortunately, expiring oneself requires no grades or forced ambition.

Before anyone tries to get on the motivating train, I just want to remind you that in this capitalist system, it is required that some individuals not make it beyond certain points, society only has a certain capacity and ability to accommodate a limited number of people. In 2009 suicide rates were 5,706, I imagine they haven't changed much. There are people required to fill those statistics so not everyone is meant for saving.

I'm afraid you're right. There are no real "answers" to life. It is mostly luck. Most of the self-motivation stuff is bullshit pushed by smug self-satisfied people who think they attained what they have through hard work. I'm not gonna ever be dishonest.. I AM IMMENSELY LUCKY. I come from a very well off family, filled with smart and relatively good looking people - I am financially and genetically positioned to do well in life, with the minimal effort. I don't think I've ever worked *really* hard once in my entire life. I've always naturally excelled at math and science and passed engineering with mediocre grades - but that's all I need to to land a nice office job where I often sit here doing substandard work and still manage to clear over 5 grand a month. I have no doubt that 95% of all of the upper middle class yuppies I work with are where they are due mostly to luck too.

Life is a mess.. life is unfair, there is no clear path, you have to set your own goals and priorities.. or just float away or perhaps eventually kill yourself.

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Reply #54 - August 24, 2011, 07:19 PM

I've been told hard work is all you need, I do actually believe that...I think if you work hard then you can get somewhere. However, I can't work hard, I don't know how to. Every time I do, I feel psychologically stressed and jailed, I get feelings of suicide and melancholy.

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Reply #55 - August 24, 2011, 07:27 PM

At the end of the day you either believe in life or you don't. Once you believe this is is all worth it working hard will come naturally. But you cannot force belief, if you just don't feel it then it's meaningless and will feel like jail. That's one thing you cannot force. And to be honest, it's purely irrational.. like faith. People will say all sorts of bullshit to 'motivate' you, but it's all garbage because nobody really knows why they want to do what they do. It's just there.. or it's not.

This reminds me of the movie Trainspotting.. initially the main character rails at all the materialist things about life and is in a generally nihilistic state:

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Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a three-piece suit on hire purchase in a range of fucking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pissing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourselves. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?

But at the end he affirms and embraces all those things he loathed:

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So why did I do it? I could offer a million answers, all false. The truth is that I'm a bad person, but that's going to change, I'm going to change. This is the last of this sort of thing. I'm cleaning up and I'm moving on, going straight and choosing life. I'm looking forward to it already. I'm going to be just like you: the job, the family, the fucking big television, the washing machine, the car, the compact disc and electrical tin opener, good health, low cholesterol, dental insurance, mortgage, starter home, leisurewear, luggage, three-piece suite, DIY, game shows, junk food, children, walks in the park, nine to five, good at golf, washing the car, choice of sweaters, family Christmas, indexed pension, tax exemption, clearing the gutters, getting by, looking ahead, to the day you die.

So yeah, choose life.. or don't.

Hard work and all that stuff are secondary and incidential.

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Re: Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
Reply #56 - August 24, 2011, 07:35 PM

To Saleri, motivation is the key- but how to get motivated? You have to motivate yourself to be motivated! Lol

For a long long time I lacked the motivation, I sailed through life- I got average, sometimes poor grades which at times annoyed me because I know I'm smart, I just couldn't focus! I always felt this thing inside me that I'm important, I'm arrogant, I think I'm right but I never had the proof, I was a nothing.

What motivated me? Islam! I got so sick of the bull shit that women are inferior that I'm now on a mission to prove I'm better than every man! Hahaha

But in reality, not everyone wants to work hard, be the best, etc. Some people just want to get by. That's fine too. The thing is no matter what you do you have to appreciate to be alive, to die is a waste- when muslim you would go to hell for suicide, as an atheist you'll just disappear- This may sound good to some but for me there's nothing worse. I have had some really dark periods in my life and I'd take them every time over the vast emptyness of nothingness!

No advice helps, unfortunately we humans are hell bent on making our own mistakes. I don't regret any of the mistakes I made, I just regret that I lacked support, that I hated myself and was disgusted at myself for relatively minor things like drinking and sexual experimnentation (I didn't even do them to a huge extent!). I regret that I went through a terrible abusive relationship without any advice or support from my parent who was supposed to guide me, because in islam relationships are not allowed, and parents know they happen but accept the secrecy rule! WTF!

As a young person you will do what you have to do- no advice will help. It's all very well saying 'oh just go out and make sure you get rich' or 'don't get into trouble' etc, but reality is you will carve your way through life making mistakes

I would say the only really important thing is to have one person you can talk to, who won't judge you, who can help when you need them, etc- but this is like finding a needle in a haystack
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Re: Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
Reply #57 - August 24, 2011, 07:43 PM

Words of wisdom from the Son of the almighty. JC is right, you need to believe in the underlying principles of hard work.

I know how you feel, I think the fear of lot of people is trying and failing. I always got by on minimal effort and still do, every year i say i'm going to change but i don't. I scraped into university, now i find myself re-sitting an exam to scrape into the second year, all of which could have been avoided if i just learnt this bullshit 2 weeks prior to my exam instead of the night before.

For some people having an interest in the work they do is key to succeeding at it, then you find you can focus on that particular subject better.

To quote a good ol' wise man concerning success - 'You have to believe in yourself.'

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Re: Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
Reply #58 - August 24, 2011, 07:54 PM

Quote from: Heyjustlooking on August 24, 2011, 07:43 PM
'You have to believe in yourself.'

Truth is, in order to actually believe this idea you need to be a bit of an idiot. Because none of us are really worth all the things we want. Do you really believe that you deserve a 5 bedroom house with a jacuzzi and an Infiniti with heated leather seats? Nobody really does. Nobody really is worth anything they think they are. You are not special - as Tyler Durden would say.

It's sad but people who have a higher level of thinking tend to despair into nihilism. I get by in life because I'm content with baser and more carnal things. I could give less of a shit about what Kant or Nietczhe says.. I'm very happy with a woman's ass and a nice car. I'm basic and that's all I really need.

So it's all about what you want out of life. If you have excessive material desire, true love or are seeking great spiritual fulfillment on a higher level.. then you're shit out of luck. But if you're happy with just being able to enjoy the next Planet of the Apes installment.. then life is for you.

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Re: Advice to 16 - 22 years old Ex-Muslims
Reply #59 - August 24, 2011, 08:00 PM

PS: Rise of the Planet of the Apes ROCKED!

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