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 Topic: Sunniforum bloodbath.

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  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #30 - January 03, 2011, 04:45 AM

    I didn't see that coming.

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #31 - January 03, 2011, 06:01 AM

    sunniforum is filled with dumb asses. They say they are more tolerant. I was many times member there  dance but finally got banned  whistling2
  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #32 - January 03, 2011, 07:03 AM



    Please understand this, you guys just wanted freedom of the lower self...that seems to be your predisposition...and then clutched on to whatever warped logic you got in a convincing package of theoretic rationality


    um, same to you buddy

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #33 - January 03, 2011, 10:05 AM

    I cringe reading that thread and other threads on that forum.

    Some of them seem like nice people, just misguided. I do not understand the insecurity many have in regards to those who leave the religion. Is their faith that weak to not accept criticism :/

    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #34 - January 03, 2011, 10:44 AM

    Yeah, there are some fucking scum over there, like seekeroftruth2 who thinks that abz's own family should kill him for leaving Islam.


    There's also someone who has no confidence in his own intellect that he avoids reading anti-Islam stuff in case he loses his precious emaan/faith. Cheesy  I see that attitude a lot amongst Muslims.  I always find it funny.



    There is an element of comedy to it I have to admit. They are nervous wrecks, anxiety ridden scaredy cats frightened that something might cause them to doubt. In fact those ones are flat out hilarious.

    I'm trying to work out if seekeroftruth is a wind up merchant or for real. Even those who say an apostate can only be killed by a properly ordered Islamic state are not saying that killing someone for rejecting Islam is an evil, twisted, psychopathic thing - they are just saying it can't be carried out on a technicality. Inside a believing Muslim lies a hesitant, boring bureaucrat when it comes to the matter of murdering someone for exercising their conscience.

    This one made me chuckle though -  talking about us here at CEMB:


    Quote

    assalaamua'alikum wr wb bro,

    what a dangerous site, for the not-so-strong guys around....and the poor fools who have been lead astray, are all talking things without basic knowledge and idea of the rationality of islam!

    There seems to be a huge list of apostates and they seem to be actively working to make people murtad...

    A few people also seem to have a soft spot for islam, just that they didnt find some good sources to get their info from, and ended up gulping in and digesting all the poison thats there in all forms of media against islam and died off from islam...all sorts of dung is being thrown in those forums...man, how I wish something could be done for/against them..,may Allah ta'ala give hidayah...they need royal prayers!

     


    This one line of another post made me laugh out loud:


    Quote
    any apostate who leaves on the grounds of rationality seriously must be one stupid individual.

     

    And here is one that gives you a glimpse into the pitiful mindset of alot of Muslims, plain stated:

    Quote
    Let this also be a reminder for parents and potential parents on the importance of:

    1. Strong Islamic surroundings

    2. Early marriage

    I wonder how many of these sad cases we are going to have to face before we wake up and realize that "integration" and delaying marriage until post-college degree just doesn't work.

     

    Overall though, reading that thread is like peeling back the top layers of a collective mind to reveal a neurotic, anxiety-ridden, scared, abused child cowering in the corner of the room. The world frightens and terrifies them. Their abuser makes them scared.

    Muslims are frightened, its what makes them so anxious and suspicious and insular.



     

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #35 - January 03, 2011, 12:09 PM

    Quote
    ...it was to remind us that in Islam, judging God's logic as it relates to stuff like why he assigns large punishments for what we consider small crimes and small punishments for what we consider large crimes, is missing the point as it's your job to obey and fear God, right?

    I remember hearing that one of the arguments that occured between the Islamic philosophers and their opponents back in the 12th and 13th, was that the philosophers believed that man had an inherent god given calculus to determine right and wrong as well as the nature of things, while their opponents believed that revelation could only do so. It is right because God willed it to be so and since the philosophers lost that battle, I guess modern Muslims have no need to speculate.


    Yeah, to hell with conscience! It's redundant, you're only supposed to do what your told!

    ...So then why do people have conscience?  wacko
  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #36 - January 03, 2011, 12:53 PM

    ...So then why do people have conscience?  wacko

    Having a conscience in the sense you are implying is blasphemous and hence immoral.

    Why are you being so culturally insensitive Zeb? This is a clear sign of your Islamophobia, Neo-orientalism and your support for European colonialism.
     
  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #37 - January 03, 2011, 01:49 PM

    I should have stayed a bit longer. And must have protected the brother, with some comment like, "Stay off his case, or I am launching a formal complaint to FBI".

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  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #38 - January 03, 2011, 01:56 PM

    Having a conscience in the sense you are implying is blasphemous and hence immoral.

    Why are you being so culturally insensitive Zeb? This is a clear sign of your Islamophobia, Neo-orientalism and your support for European colonialism.
     

     Jimmy Cricket is a symbol of imperialism.

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #39 - January 03, 2011, 02:10 PM

    Anyways, I am finally banned for calling the writer of quran a pedophile. Anyways, I at least lasted for whole day.

    Also my threads are still there to read.


    Muddy, you shouldn't have said that.  Old geezer

    ...
  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #40 - January 03, 2011, 02:10 PM

    Jimmy Cricket is a symbol of imperialism.

    Yes, of course he is.

    Disney should have used Muhammad instead.

    "In the name of Allah,the Most Compassionate,the Most Merciful I dub you Pinocchio's conscience, lord high keeper of the knowledge of right and wrong, counsellor in moments of high temptation, and guide along the straight and narrow path. Arise, Muhammad. Subhan'Allah!" - The Blue Fairy to Prophet Muhammad in the Disney film Pinocchio
  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #41 - January 03, 2011, 02:14 PM

    Muddy, you shouldn't have said that.  Old geezer

    I think it is about time, we should start saying that publicly. This idiot already had 1400 years of glory.

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    Islam's Last Stand (group)
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  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #42 - January 03, 2011, 03:57 PM

    My intro at sunniforum (even though I said I wouldn't join this shitfest).

    Hi, everyone. I’ve come from the CEMB forum because one of your members said this over there:

    Quote
    Please understand this, you guys just wanted freedom of the lower self

    This crude, condescending generalisation made me seethe and motivated me to make this thread. It disrespects us ex-Muslims as people, it demeans the choices we’ve made, the difficult journey we’ve undertaken and the hardships we have to endure because of Islam. Leaving Islam was by far the most difficult thing I’ve done. The mental anguish, the emotional turmoil, the prolonged confusion and doubt I went through was unbearable. I felt isolated, lonely, I had no one to talk to, I internalised everything, trying hard to suppress my doubts and attempting to restore my faith. I genuinely tried to believe.

    I’m from a Muslim family, I was born as a Muslim, I was raised as a Muslim. It was only right that I remained a Muslim? This is what I kept telling myself over and over again. I watched Islamic lectures, read Islamic sites, familiarised myself with the “scientific miracles of the Qur’an” and all of the other arguments supporting Islam. NOTHING. Absolutely nothing could convince me that Islam was true. I saw though the broken logic, the distortions and sometimes, flat out lies used by some Muslims to support their belief in Islam.

    I couldn’t rationalise Allah, Islam or its teachings. It didn’t make sense to me. Some of the stories within the Qur’an and hadith seemed ridiculous – especially to me, someone who is unable to believe in the supernatural. Certain verses of the Qur’an and hadiths were repulsive, immoral and inhumane. I couldn’t believe for a second that these verses and commandments had come from an omnibenevolent god, I just couldn’t. I couldn’t believe for a second that the Prophet Mohammed was insaan al-kamil, a man who is supposed to be the perfect role model for all of humanity until the Day of Judgment when there were things that he did that I find to be utterly revolting.

    I didn’t leave Islam out of arrogance or pride, or because I wished to satisfy my carnal desires. I left Islam because I don’t believe it is true. It’s as simple as that. I’m an atheist. I don’t see any evidence whatsoever for a god, let alone a personal god.

    Debasing us, saying we only left Islam because we wished to live sinful lives, where we get drunk and have sex is insulting to the nth degree. What if I said that all (male) Muslims believe in Islam only because they want to have sex with wide eyed houris with pale skin and round, pert breasts? That you only pray 5 times a day because you wish to deflower these houris over, and over again as Allah makes their hymens regrow again and again. Would it not enrage you that someone had misrepresented your intentions for belief and had tried to delegitimize your position simply through accusing you of being motivated solely by sexual desires?

    We, ex-Muslims suffer enough due to Islamic oppression. Some of us fear the death penalty because we live in Islamic theocracies. Some of us fear rejection from our friends and families because we were unable to believe and they couldn't accept us for who we are. We have to live double lives, pretending to be good Muslims, praying, fasting - whilst deep down inside thinking that organised religion is a complete farce. We have to deal with enough BS in our lives and we certainly don't need your snide condescension on top of that.


    Peace out.

    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #43 - January 03, 2011, 04:03 PM

    And the response you got back was a threat:

    "Well the day will come when you and i will die, and all that we do and say concering you being a murtad doesn't really matter in light of things.

    Then you will have to answer to a higher power, if you don't believe that.... than just wait till you die...

     grin12"

    I don't think it gets much lower than that - quite paradoxical considering the "fact" that the aim of Islam is supposedly to alleviate oneself over the lower self.
  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #44 - January 03, 2011, 04:05 PM

    clap

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  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #45 - January 03, 2011, 04:05 PM

    Wow - you hit that one for six mate.

    edit: ah I see you made a separate thread, the responses are predictable so far. Wonder how long it will stay up for, especially if you reply to the question someone asks as to what it was about the acts of insaan al-kamil that you found revolting.....


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #46 - January 03, 2011, 04:21 PM

    I didn’t leave Islam out of arrogance or pride, or because I wished to satisfy my carnal desires. I left Islam because I don’t believe it is true. It’s as simple as that. I’m an atheist. I don’t see any evidence whatsoever for a god, let alone a personal god.

    A side note regarding the above.

    In case there actually was irrefutable evidence for a personal god such as described in "holy" books of abrahamic faiths - a psychopathic tyrant who enjoys torturing people for eternity;a god that throws a hissy fit every time somebody disbelieves in him etc. would you be prepared to kiss his arse in order to gain entrance into his whorehouse or would you rather fight against such immorality?

    The issue here is not whether the is or isn't god - the issue here is that abrahamic faiths (and their god) are profoundly immoral.

    1. Doing good because of Jannah. Motivation: reward; this is immoral
    2. Doing good because of Jahannam. Motivation: fear; this is immoral too

    3. Doing good for the sake of it. Motivation: because it is the right thing to do; this is the only true moral stance

    The only way to show true respect for God (and hence be truly moral) is to act morally while ignoring god's existence.
  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #47 - January 03, 2011, 04:30 PM

    Well I can be the devil's advocate and say thiestic morality and non thiestic morality are both based on adhering to a set of principles that have rewards and punishments.  There isn't a difference.

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #48 - January 03, 2011, 04:31 PM

    My intro was more of a mission statement, clarifying where I stand as an ex-Muslim. Muslim logic always makes my mind numb, I don't know whether I should respond and engage these guys in debate wacko

    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #49 - January 03, 2011, 04:33 PM

    Just say, I would reply to you only if the level of stupidity in your post is within my tolerance level.

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  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #50 - January 03, 2011, 04:44 PM

    Well I can be the devil's advocate and say thiestic morality and non thiestic morality are both based on adhering to a set of principles that have rewards and punishments.  There isn't a difference.

    Strictly speaking you are right.

    But there is a fundamental difference thought. Judgement in theistic morality is external - coming from a god-as-superego. As a result you either get hookers or you get your ass fried.

    Judgement in non-theistic morality is completely internal. In other words there is nothing to be gained from such judgement - apart from gaining (or loosing) everything of course.
  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #51 - January 03, 2011, 05:27 PM

    Excellent post, GodIsNotGreat.  Afro
    It reflects my feelings too.  I spent many months researching for myself before I consciously decided to leave Islam.  I looked at the arguments from both sides.  In particular, I found the evidence in support for evolution compelling and the 'Adam and Eve' story laughable.


    We, ex-Muslims suffer enough due to Islamic oppression. Some of us fear the death penalty because we live in Islamic theocracies. Some of us fear rejection from our friends and families because we were unable to believe and they couldn't accept us for who we are.

    .. and some of us are being shunned by our own family for leaving Islam.

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #52 - January 03, 2011, 05:56 PM

    I can't find the thread you made GING on SF. Did they delete it?

    Wouldn't surprise me tbh.

    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #53 - January 03, 2011, 05:57 PM

    Deleted.

    http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?67034-Hello-everyone.-Another-apostate-here.&p=557448#post557448

    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #54 - January 03, 2011, 05:59 PM

    Embarrassing.
    And they have the cheek to say they are open minded. What a joke those people are.

    Their faith in their own religion is so weak they can't even handle dissent and criticism for fear it may collapse.  Roll Eyes

    There is no point in going to their forums to debate them. If any Muslim wishes to debate, they can come to this forum which is clearly much more open to criticism and opposition

    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #55 - January 03, 2011, 06:01 PM


    Do you know why?
  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #56 - January 03, 2011, 06:06 PM

    Nope.

    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #57 - January 03, 2011, 06:25 PM

    Can you guys not understand from the threads atleast, I now seriously believe that trying to bring you on to have some rational discussion was my utter mistake...you apparently do not have much respect for rationality within you at all (alas, thats why you left islam in the first place)...how mr muddy had to try blasphemy, eventually, to go out of the forum when he had nothing substantial to offer....sad and sadistic backdoor approach...also speaks of what a great moral upgradation and quality of thought he got after islam...man!, I felt he might be a respectful and moreso, logical, person who will engage in a good conversation which will be a learning for all of us to see, alas!....lol...

    also, other guys can browse through multiple such other threads on veracity of islam from the search section, hoping someone without his colored spectacles can get some sense into his/her head...as about insults in there towards you, you will have all sorts of people in a forum and you will get your dose of violence as well....you should concentrate on the rational ones..thats the minimum expectation in a public forum from one who wants to deal in an objective manner

    Nevertheless, please understand that its not jannath and jahannam alone that makes one follow islam....that is definitely a part because the whole concept of life here on the earth is being a test whose culmination is in gaining rewards for passing it/punishment for failing it inspite of being given all the resources to test it/reason against it...if you think we, in crores, from very rich scientific backgrounds and nothing to apparently lose by not following islam (infact from my observation, we might gain some materialistic things as well) are following islam just by a fear of the unseen, then I can only laugh at your impressions of others....we start with questioning ourselves does God really exist, and then conclude yeah he perhaps does...coz for that, there are million reasons, astronomical to purely logical...and then we evaluate can it be true? if yes, does it give an answer as to why would He create the universe and in it me? Is there a purpose? and so many other questions....Islam gives a perfect answer to all such questions...then the questions keeps following and we are lead to Propher sawsm aakhirah and so on...it is a complete set of all these answers that makes Islam the truth it is...

    Moreover, it is to impress Allah swt, our creator and sustainer and a sign of thankfulness and obedience-for-all-the-greatness He has that we do good and refrain from bad...not very far from obedience and thankfulness to a father that a child has for some understanding low-level parallel.....not just plain jannat and jahannam....a lot of your houris talk on jannath has been wonderfully dealt with, by a sister interestingly, on sunniforum...go visit it through searching it out...

    calling people on sunniforum as dumb asses and nervous wrecks only makes us laugh at you guys more......sad intellectuals lol...its painful that mr muddy's conversation skills have left the others (al-murtad had started off well and it looked a promising discussion atleast) getting banned right away...perhaps you can try after some days if you are interested....coz my interest has atleast diminished having seen some conversations of you guys here...talking of dogmas...man, reading through your threads, you guys yourself are steeped in great dogma...the biggest of them being that thinking of yours that islam is wrong and then evaluating everything about it, without having "honestly" listened to each explanation on the doubts you have....islam also needs a person to be humble, if one doesnt have the broad-mindedness or isnt sharp enough, to understand things...


    man, I shall surely pray for you guys, irrespective of whatever you may go on with this thread...like someone said on another post on sunniforum...that's the best we can do, I think more so after this experience, for you guys….signing out from this council with a very satisfied conscience and stronger belief-system...so thank you guys, for all you have to offer, both on this forum and on the other!!!...and you can go on and on!!
  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #58 - January 03, 2011, 06:34 PM

    man, I shall surely pray for you guys, irrespective of whatever you may go on with this thread...like someone said on another post on sunniforum...that's the best we can do,

    Hi whatever.

    Would you mind leaving me out of your prayers?

    Thanks!
  • Re: Sunniforum bloodbath.
     Reply #59 - January 03, 2011, 06:36 PM

    I'm am interested in these proofs.  

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
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