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Re: The Quran As Porn
Reply #1 - January 15, 2011, 02:06 PM

I see Qur'an as music lyrics, first time you read/hear it is nice, however after a few times, you start to notice that it is repetitive, and the repetitiveness starts to make it boring. However not and then it does have some replay value. I don't see it as divinely inspired, it is child's-play next to the Greek Epic Cycle.

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Reply #2 - January 15, 2011, 02:20 PM

I agree MAB, it's hypnotic, and most men are hypnotised by qiraat, weak fools (though I was one myself). I think the great reciters have maybe done more for Islamic propagation in the modern age than the scholars themselves have!

It's funny when they show captions below it and you see the stunning stupidity of most of the Qur'an. People who actually understand the meaning of the Qur'an and are still Muslim are for me, lost causes.
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Reply #3 - January 15, 2011, 02:20 PM

@MAB:
I see what you mean, my sugarplum.

My favourite reciters when I was a Muslim were:

Sheikh Mishari Al Afasy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5hjVy90HAM

Sheikh Ahmed Al Ajami
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDnWFJpiq_E

the legendary Qari Abdul Basit: (audio quality not great because technology was a bit crappy back then)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXa2yqILWE4&feature=related

The one you posted is not bad either.

To be honest, after apostasy I continued listening to it for a few months and then switched to listening to music. Interestingly, I found it serves the same purpose psychologically. It's enjoyable, except that you don't feel that God will reward you for listening to it.

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Re: The Quran As Porn
Reply #4 - January 15, 2011, 02:29 PM

I find it interesting that you guys enjoy this... Me as a almost non-muslim all the life, find nothing interesting it it... Probably not understanding it and the fact that there is no rhythm does not move me.. I find the Sufi/Shia rhythmic chants much more interesting.

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Reply #5 - January 15, 2011, 02:32 PM

No off course not! I am gay!!

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Reply #6 - January 15, 2011, 02:42 PM

Quote from: Bardhi_i_zi on January 15, 2011, 02:29 PM
I find the Sufi/Shia rhythmic chants much more interesting.

I agree. But for strict sunni deobandi/salafi Muslims Quranic recitation is always more virtuous than music. Particularly music with instruments or dancing. In fact, that is forbidden!

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Reply #7 - January 15, 2011, 02:44 PM

When I was muslim didn't move me too much , there were only a few ayahs that actually touched me . But the rest was just too repetitive , noticed that Allah glorified him self too much .

this used to be my favourite ayah ..

"This Day shall no ransom be accepted of you, nor of those who rejected Allah. Your abode is the Fire: that is the proper place to claim you: and an evil refuge it is!" (15) Has not the time arrived for the Believers that their hearts in all humility should engage in the remembrance of Allah and of the Truth which has been revealed (to them), and that they should not become like those to whom was given Revelation aforetime, but long ages passed over them and their hearts grew hard? For many among them are rebellious transgressors. " - surah al hadeed

Do ye feel secure that He Who is in heaven will not cause you to be swallowed up by the earth when it shakes (as in an earthquake)? (16) Or do ye feel secure that He Who is in Heaven will not send against you a violent tornado (with showers of stones), so that ye shall know how (terrible) was My warning? (17) But indeed men before them rejected (My warning): then how (terrible) was My rejection (of them). -surah al mulk

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Re: The Quran As Porn
Reply #8 - January 15, 2011, 02:55 PM

Quote from: Bardhi_i_zi on January 15, 2011, 02:29 PM
I find it interesting that you guys enjoy this... Me as a almost non-muslim all the life, find nothing interesting it it... Probably not understanding it and the fact that there is no rhythm does not move me.. I find the Sufi/Shia rhythmic chants much more interesting.

Interesting indeed. Thanks for the insight. There must be some kind of nostalgia with us. I remember I used to miss some rituals (like ablutions, which made me feel a little better than kafiroon) long after Iblis won a point with my case.

MAB, unfortunately I have nothing to disagree with.

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Reply #9 - January 15, 2011, 02:58 PM

I knew a fella, an old lag who used to work in the foundries of Birmingham, the uncle of a friend. We were in a pub and he was regaling us with a story and giving us directions to a certain place in Aston where he worked once. "Down past Perry Barr, and then you go all the way past The Red Fox, carry on down the roundabout, and its about half a mile after The Wailing Man"

The Red Fox was easily identifiable, its a pub. But eh, The Wailing Man, I've never drunk in there.

Aw its not a pub, its that mosque they just opened, went past it and there was a man wailing inside like a snake was inside him that needed to get out, call it The Wailing Man now.

So thats what I think of these days when I hear that sonorous plea.

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Re: The Quran As Porn
Reply #10 - January 15, 2011, 03:09 PM

The Wailing Man

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Reply #11 - January 15, 2011, 03:11 PM

Quote from: King Tut on January 15, 2011, 02:06 PM
I see Qur'an as music lyrics, first time you read/hear it is nice, however after a few times, you start to notice that it is repetitive, and the repetitiveness starts to make it boring. However not and then it does have some replay value. I don't see it as divinely inspired, it is child's-play next to the Greek Epic Cycle.

Yo Tut, What's up baby? I heard you were gangraped by Cheetah. I missed you all the same. I don't view the Quran as stylistically gripping. To read it from cover to cover is to enter a universe of the most unmatchable tedium. There is no linear progression in its narrative. Important characters like Moses appear out of nowhere and simply disappear from view a few lines down. To say nothing of the pages upon pages of needless repetition that add nothing to the work. The book is one great big jumble in urgent need of an editor. A thousand times I've wondered, like Thomas Carlyle, why the Creator of Shakespeare could be so abominably poor a writer. Whoever saw fit to publish it must face prosecution in the Republic of Letters.

No, what captivates me is that the Quran lends itself to music. Because of its poetic structure, it can be chanted, sung and recited. The Pagan Arabs were accomplished poets among whom poetry contests were held, the winner of which would have his verse triumphantly displayed on the Kaaba. It is from this tradition of crossing verbal swords that the Quran’s challenge to produce a verse like it comes.
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Re: The Quran As Porn
Reply #12 - January 15, 2011, 03:17 PM

That's right - try it! And if you try it, then we keel you.

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Reply #13 - January 15, 2011, 03:18 PM

the quran is not unique, buddhist/catholic/hindu/judaic chants work on the same principle, in fact to the untrained ear it might sound like the same thing, Here's an example

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1evxMA7yYw

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Re: The Quran As Porn
Reply #14 - January 15, 2011, 03:21 PM

You say it's not unique, but I don't know if the other stuff you mentioned is just as much of a "great big jumble in urgent need of an editor" to quote MAB. There's uniqueness in that!

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Re: The Quran As Porn
Reply #15 - January 15, 2011, 03:22 PM

Quote from: Eliphaz on January 15, 2011, 02:20 PM
I agree MAB, it's hypnotic, and most men are hypnotised by qiraat, weak fools (though I was one myself). I think the great reciters have maybe done more for Islamic propagation in the modern age than the scholars themselves have!

It's funny when they show captions below it and you see the stunning stupidity of most of the Qur'an. People who actually understand the meaning of the Qur'an and are still Muslim are for me, lost causes.

I think our job of slapping the towelheads out of their hypnosis is made all the more difficult if we fail to grasp the potency of the Quran, if in other words we don't understand that a man in the grip of a trance cannot be disabused merely by appeals to logic. You've gotta offer him more than a bleak materalism. Give him some cool Jazz numbers to kick back with, add a plate of juicy steak and fritters with ketchup running out of it and a dash of the finest Burgundy, or if he's not quite ready, a little Vimto.

Enchantment is the name of the game. A similar role is held by the muezzin. Could one imagine the Muslim prayer without his pious ululating and hollering? Note that even where it is against the law in the West to sound the call to prayer from the minaret, Muslims still hold it inside the mosque. This ceases to be a call to prayer, for those already present at the mosque require no fetching. So why keep up the pretence? Answer: Aesthetics. The melodious tones of the muezzin exerts the same enchanting power of the Quran. It's one big hypnosis.
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Re: The Quran As Porn
Reply #16 - January 15, 2011, 03:29 PM

Quote from: ateapotist on January 15, 2011, 02:20 PM
@MAB:
I see what you mean, my sugarplum.

My favourite reciters when I was a Muslim were:

Sheikh Mishari Al Afasy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5hjVy90HAM

Sheikh Ahmed Al Ajami
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDnWFJpiq_E

the legendary Qari Abdul Basit: (audio quality not great because technology was a bit crappy back then)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXa2yqILWE4&feature=related

The one you posted is not bad either.

To be honest, after apostasy I continued listening to it for a few months and then switched to listening to music. Interestingly, I found it serves the same purpose psychologically. It's enjoyable, except that you don't feel that God will reward you for listening to it.

I didn't know that you were a closet Muslim Teapot. So you like to give your ear to a man screeching that you are gonna swm in hell? Fascinating. By the way the Qari in my OP does not begin until the 01:15 mark. The opening speaker is tedious.
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Re: The Quran As Porn
Reply #17 - January 15, 2011, 03:30 PM

Quote from: billy on January 15, 2011, 02:58 PM
I knew a fella, an old lag who used to work in the foundries of Birmingham, the uncle of a friend. We were in a pub and he was regaling us with a story and giving us directions to a certain place in Aston where he worked once. "Down past Perry Barr, and then you go all the way past The Red Fox, carry on down the roundabout, and its about half a mile after The Wailing Man"

The Red Fox was easily identifiable, its a pub. But eh, The Wailing Man, I've never drunk in there.

Aw its not a pub, its that mosque they just opened, went past it and there was a man wailing inside like a snake was inside him that needed to get out, call it The Wailing Man now.

So thats what I think of these days when I hear that sonorous plea.

By which Mullah were you violated? Only a man’s hate would blind him to the music of an accomplished Qari. My wife and I have angry sex to the sound of the Quran. I recommend it. The angels will bless your amorous entanglement even if its haram.
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Re: The Quran As Porn
Reply #18 - January 15, 2011, 03:35 PM

Quote from: Alex Lam Meem on January 15, 2011, 02:55 PM
Interesting indeed. Thanks for the insight. There must be some kind of nostalgia with us. I remember I used to miss some rituals (like ablutions, which made me feel a little better than kafiroon) long after Iblis won a point with my case.

MAB, unfortunately I have nothing to disagree with.

Nostalgic for throwing water between your toes are you my lovely? Muslims tell me that ablution is to keep one pure, but how can a man be clean who carries a kilo of shit in his gut?
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Re: The Quran As Porn
Reply #19 - January 15, 2011, 03:37 PM

Quote from: TheCuteRebel on January 15, 2011, 02:44 PM
When I was muslim didn't move me too much , there were only a few ayahs that actually touched me . But the rest was just too repetitive , noticed that Allah glorified him self too much .

this used to be my favourite ayah ..

"This Day shall no ransom be accepted of you, nor of those who rejected Allah. Your abode is the Fire: that is the proper place to claim you: and an evil refuge it is!" (15) Has not the time arrived for the Believers that their hearts in all humility should engage in the remembrance of Allah and of the Truth which has been revealed (to them), and that they should not become like those to whom was given Revelation aforetime, but long ages passed over them and their hearts grew hard? For many among them are rebellious transgressors. " - surah al hadeed

Do ye feel secure that He Who is in heaven will not cause you to be swallowed up by the earth when it shakes (as in an earthquake)? (16) Or do ye feel secure that He Who is in Heaven will not send against you a violent tornado (with showers of stones), so that ye shall know how (terrible) was My warning? (17) But indeed men before them rejected (My warning): then how (terrible) was My rejection (of them). -surah al mulk

You misread. The Quran does not tickle my higher cerebral faculties. What grabs me is the beautiful incantation of professional reciters. The mere reading of it does nothing for me. It has to be sung by an accomplished Qari. Na mean dawg?
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Reply #20 - January 15, 2011, 03:45 PM

Quote from: IsLame on January 15, 2011, 03:18 PM
the quran is not unique, buddhist/catholic/hindu/judaic chants work on the same principle, in fact to the untrained ear it might sound like the same thing, Here's an example

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1evxMA7yYw

Isn't that what I said you catamite? Thanks for sharing the vid all the same. Very cute. The trouble with Christian music is that because one can understand the English words, something of its mystery is lost and it become tedious in no long time. For an incantation to hold good forever, it must be alien to the ear. To effect a successful hypnosis the listener must be ignorant of the meaning. Indeed one must be completely unable to discern which words follow which. The experience must be totally foreign, totally melodic, totally strange.
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Reply #21 - January 15, 2011, 03:52 PM

Quote from: Bardhi_i_zi on January 15, 2011, 02:29 PM
I find it interesting that you guys enjoy this... Me as a almost non-muslim all the life, find nothing interesting it it... Probably not understanding it and the fact that there is no rhythm does not move me.. I find the Sufi/Shia rhythmic chants much more interesting.

I don't follow. Are you part of the murtadeen's glorious fraternity or an ex-Christian? And please, oh, please tell me how the Quran has no "rhythm". The English translation of course does not rhyme, but have you never read the Arabic text? Quit lying man. I will expose your shameless lies.
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Reply #22 - January 15, 2011, 03:53 PM

catholic latin chant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxjYWvF5ttc&feature=related

byzantine chant( nearer to islamic style)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NtMCPmwtYI&feature=related

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Reply #23 - January 15, 2011, 03:53 PM

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No off course not! I am gay!!

That's not what you said when I had your nipple in my mouth last night.
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Reply #24 - January 15, 2011, 03:59 PM

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I don't follow. Are you part of the murtadeen's glorious fraternity or an ex-Christian? And please, oh, please tell me how the Quran has no "rhythm". The English translation of course does not rhyme, but have you never read the Arabic text? Quit lying man. I will expose your shameless lies.

You can read my story somewhere in the forum... It is not interesting... I was supposed to be a muslim but never got to, because when i started showing some interest for religion, i got discouraged by the Kuran and never really started a relationship with god... So i somehow belong the the murtadeen's glorious fraternity if you consider muslims by name/birth as muslims, and if you take into amount the sacrifice of the tip of my penis and the ritual of washing my ass.... But I do not consider my self as a real ex muslim coz i never really felt a muslim ...

Rhythm as in musical rhythm (drums...).. The Sufi/Shia use instruments, therefore sound more interesting for me as a layman...

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Re: The Quran As Porn
Reply #25 - January 15, 2011, 04:04 PM

Quote from: Mount A Bison on January 15, 2011, 03:29 PM
I didn't know that you were a closet Muslim Teapot. So you like to give your ear to a man screeching that you are gonna swm in hell? Fascinating.

I quit Islam because I realised it was not the truth. The fact that I felt a craving to listen to the melodious recitation of the Qur'an, even after apostasy, proved to me that I used to listen to that stuff for entertainment purposes. And it was more out of habit really. But I soon switched to proper music. Perhaps I also felt that I was stupid for listening to such ridiculous teachings as an apostate. You are right that listening to the burning-in-hell bit for kafirs is particularly weird.

Quote from: Mount A Bison on January 15, 2011, 03:29 PM
By the way the Qari in my OP does not begin until the 01:15 mark.

I know. I was referring to him too.

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Re: The Quran As Porn
Reply #26 - January 15, 2011, 04:11 PM

Quote from: Bardhi_i_zi on January 15, 2011, 03:59 PM
You can read my story somewhere in the forum... It is not interesting... I was supposed to be a muslim but never got to, because when i started showing some interest for religion, i got discouraged by the Kuran and never really started a relationship with god... So i somehow belong the the murtadeen's glorious fraternity if you consider muslims by name/birth as muslims, and if you take into amount the sacrifice of the tip of my penis and the ritual of washing my ass.... But I do not consider my self as a real ex muslim coz i never really felt a muslim ...

Rhythm as in musical rhythm (drums...).. The Sufi/Shia use instruments, therefore sound more interesting for me as a layman...

Have you never taken a peek between the covers of the book for which you got your nine inch member lopped off and your sex life forever ruined? What a strange mammal. By what do you mean the Quran has no drums? It's a book you rotten catamite. Not a stupid musical instrument. Why would you a find a drum inside a book? Fess up: You are a Zionist-Feminist-Secularist-Homosexualist-Crusader in the pay of Mossad to lie about the deen.

And oh, thanks for the religious incantations. Fascinating
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Reply #27 - January 15, 2011, 04:25 PM

By the way, if you haven't yet watched the following video, I recommend it. It's about the use of music by religions (from Darrel Ray's book The God Virus).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSMLFiKl1G8&feature=related

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Reply #28 - January 15, 2011, 04:27 PM

Quote from: ateapotist on January 15, 2011, 04:04 PM
I quit Islam because I realised it was not the truth. The fact that I felt a craving to listen to the melodious recitation of the Qur'an, even after apostasy, proved to me that I used to listen to that stuff for entertainment purposes. And it was more out of habit really. But I soon switched to proper music. Perhaps I also felt that I was stupid for listening to such ridiculous teachings as an apostate. You are right that listening to the burning-in-hell bit for kafirs is particularly weird.
I know. I was referring to him too.

I like the word "craving". It suggests something quite more than the rational mind. Something more primal. With the Quran we enter a mysterious world of the emotional and aesthetic governed by the human heart. No room here for the reflective faculties. Just listen. Just appreciate. Just obey motherfucka.

That's my feeling. What's yours? A ripple of nostalgia washed over me just watching your videos incidentally.
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Reply #29 - January 15, 2011, 04:34 PM

IF I don't listen to it for a long time, then listen to some shiekh with good voice, it moves me a tiny bit

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[13:37] <Fimbles> you think i'd enjoy anything above 7 inches up my arse?
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