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  • Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     OP - January 27, 2011, 07:20 PM

      news says American kills three in Lahore! 



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    LAHORE: Three people were killed when a US national opened fire on motorcycle riders and hit another with his car in an attempt to escape from the scene at Mazang Chowk on Thursday, Geo News reported.

    According to details, the man identified as Raymond David, reportedly a staffer of the US Consulate, opened fire at two persons ridding a motorcycle, injuring them seriously. Both the injured were shifted to Services Hospital where they were pronounced dead.

    Another motorcyclist was also injured when hit by the speeding car of David who was escaping from the crime scene. The injured was rushed to Services Hospital where he succumbed to his wounds during treatment.

    Later, the suspect was apprehended by police and taken to Old Anarkali police station. Police also recovered arms from his possession.

    According to SP Operation Umer Saeed, David killed motorcycle riders in self-defence.

    He said that a weapon was recovered from the possession of motorcyclists.

    People staged protest soon after the incident outside Old Anarkali Police Station and burned tyres. They demanded handing over of the accused to them.

    Later, Police shifted the American national to an unknown location. Police said that case has been registered against David.

    What the hell is he doing in Lahore.. looking for osama uncle??

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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #1 - January 27, 2011, 07:32 PM

    Seems he was getting robbed and shot them.

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
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    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #2 - January 27, 2011, 07:36 PM

    Seems he was getting robbed and shot them.

    well that is his version., that doesn't work on the street
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    People staged protest soon after the incident outside Old Anarkali Police Station and burned tyres. They demanded handing over of the accused to them.

    they are looking for public beheading...

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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #3 - January 27, 2011, 07:39 PM

    Not public beheading but the same thing they did to Sialkot brothers.

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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #4 - January 27, 2011, 07:46 PM

    Not public beheading but the same thing they did to Sialkot brothers.

    well that was horrible worse than simple beheading

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=12008.msg333488#msg333488

    on that horrible murders today's news..
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    . The two young boys were beaten to death by a mob on suspicion of theft. The presence of policemen did little to deter the enraged perpetrators of the grisly crime, nor did the policemen attempt to hinder them. Subsequently, enraged civil society members held protests around the country and castigated the elected representatives of the area for not taking action against those involved in the act. There were also vociferous demands to hold the policemen responsible accountable. However, little came of the protests, despite a detailed report by a trials court on the matter.


    No actions were takes sofar on those thugs who murdered those two kids.. That fucking Punjab chief minister has to go..   He is NO SHARIFF.. HE IS FOOL AND BADMASH..

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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #5 - January 27, 2011, 07:51 PM

    Jesus fucking christ. Poor guy. I won't be surprised if the motorcyclists were trying to kill him.
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #6 - January 29, 2011, 01:40 PM

    US calls for immediate release of diplomat in Pakistan  says news

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/29/us-calls-for-immediate-release-of-diplomat-in-pakistan.html

    “When detained, the US diplomat repeatedly requested immunity under the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations.”

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    ISLAMABAD: The United States on Saturday called for the immediate release of a US diplomat it said was unlawfully detained by Pakistani authorities in Lahore, its embassy in Islamabad said. The man, previously described just as a consulate employee, is being held in police custody over Thursday’s shooting that resulted in the deaths of two men he said he killed in self-defence.
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    “When detained, the US diplomat identified himself to police as a diplomat and repeatedly requested immunity under the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations,” the embassy said in a statement. It added, “Local police and senior authorities failed to observe their legal obligation to verify his status with either the US consulate general in Lahore or the US embassy in Islamabad”.

    “Furthermore, the diplomat was formally arrested and remanded into custody, which is a violation of international norms and the Vienna Convention, to which Pakistan is a signatory.”


    The man, named as Raymond Davis and described by the US State Department as an American civilian working for the US consulate in Lahore, was held at a police station on double murder charges over the deaths of two motorcyclists. A third Pakistani was crushed to death by a consulate car that went to help Davis following the shooting in a busy street in the eastern city on Thursday.

    “The diplomat, assigned to the US embassy in Islamabad, has a US diplomatic passport and Pakistani visa valid until June 2012,” the statement said.

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    Recalling the events that led to Davis’s arrest, it said the diplomat acted in self-defence when confronted by two armed men on motorcycles.

    “The diplomat had every reason to believe that the armed men meant him bodily harm. Minutes earlier, the two men, who had criminal backgrounds, had robbed money and valuables at gunpoint from a Pakistani citizen in the same area.”

    The embassy expressed regret that “this incident resulted in loss of life” and said it was “committed to working closely with the Pakistani government to secure the immediate release of the diplomat, as required under Pakistani and international law”

    .


    boy this seems to be spinning out of control....  read it all at the link


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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #7 - January 29, 2011, 02:19 PM

    Jesus fucking christ. Poor guy. I won't be surprised if the motorcyclists were trying to kill him.


    Are you being serious? You sound like the type of person who thinks an American can do no wrong  whistling2
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #8 - January 29, 2011, 05:58 PM

    I am a bit concerned about the third guy who was crushed under the car. Aphrodite, Seriously, he is fuckin diplomat and a civilian.

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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #9 - January 29, 2011, 08:55 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fOfpZVa2pdM


    fools with foolish propaganda

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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #10 - January 30, 2011, 02:49 PM

    I am a bit concerned about the third guy who was crushed under the car. Aphrodite, Seriously, he is fuckin diplomat and a civilian.


    Since when did "civilians" go to other countries and start shooting at people???
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #11 - January 30, 2011, 03:30 PM

    Since when did "civilians" go to other countries and start shooting at people???

    well Americans who work at embassy are trained to shoot in self protection

    but hello Half Pakistani Aphrodite ., So what good reason you think that American guy has to kill those two guys on Motor cycles , whom he never knew and who apparently robbed some local guy at the bank few hrs before??


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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #12 - January 30, 2011, 03:31 PM

    Idk what his reasons were, I was merely saying he's NOT a civilian.
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #13 - January 30, 2011, 03:33 PM

    Of course he is.  Shooting in self defense, or even in a fit of madness, doesn't make you a soldier. 

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #14 - January 30, 2011, 03:33 PM

    Idk what his reasons were, I was merely saying he's NOT a civilian.

    Of course he was NOT American Tourist.,  As I said he is trained to shoot if his life is in danger..

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #15 - January 30, 2011, 03:47 PM

    Of course he is.  Shooting in self defense, or even in a fit of madness, doesn't make you a soldier. 


    LAHORE: Deputy Prosecutor General of Punjab, Rana Bakhtiar said on Sunday that Raymond Davis had fired the bullets from the back thus it was not a case of ‘self defense’ as he had stated earlier.

    Rana also said that Davis, charged with murder of two motorcyclists in Lahore, did not hold any special privileges as a diplomat.


    Referring to Article 49-2 of the Vienna Convention, he said that diplomatic officials only hold privilege when they are on duty, but Davis was in Pakistan on a business visa.

    http://www.dawn.com/2011/01/30/accused-us-diplomat-holds-no-special-privileges.html

    He must be punished according to the laws of Pakistan.  Afro
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #16 - January 30, 2011, 03:51 PM

    Let's say that's all true - doesn't change his civilian status.  Civilians commit murder the whole time.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #17 - January 30, 2011, 03:56 PM

    Most civilians aren't US diplomats that go around shooting people and I don't think of such people as a civilian, for all I know he could be behind gathering 'intelligence' (or lack of it) for the drone strikes  whistling2

    They should just go back home for everyone's sake............
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #18 - January 30, 2011, 03:56 PM

    LAHORE: Deputy Prosecutor General of Punjab, Rana Bakhtiar said on Sunday that Raymond Davis had fired the bullets from the back thus it was not a case of ‘self defense’ as he had stated earlier.

    Rana also said that Davis, charged with murder of two motorcyclists in Lahore, did not hold any special privileges as a diplomat.


    .......

    And I believe THAT IDIOT...  

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=12008.msg333488#msg333488

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTCq3mYi8Ik

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaMQbFMFYCs

    when these two kids were killed by Mob in Sialkot ., this freak  said they were murdered some one  so bruts of street killed them and police were watching the tamasha.   After a year still no one was held responsible for those brutal killings in public

    That whole government should be removed and Sharif  gang  should be send back to Saudi Arabia along with his Punjab ministry..

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #19 - January 30, 2011, 04:00 PM

    Most civilians aren't US diplomats that go around shooting people and I don't think of such people as a civilian, for all I know he could be behind gathering 'intelligence' (or lack of it) for the drone strikes  whistling2

    They should just go back home for everyone's sake............


    I can think of plenty of cases of civilians commiting murder while abroad.  And btw, if he is a CIA mole he would hardly draw attention to himself by shooting two locals in broad daylight - unless of course it really was self defense.   whistling2

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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #20 - January 30, 2011, 04:13 PM

    The (Very) Strange Case of Raymond Davis

    http://pakistaniat.com/2011/01/30/raymond-davis/

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    Strangely, the more we get to know about the case of Raymond Davis, the less we seem to know. Even more strangely, the fact that the entire incident happened in broad daylight and in front of dozens of witnesses seems is itself confusing the facts rather than adding clarity. Moreover, it seems that no one seems to want to get much clarity either; although different parties may want different parts of the story to ‘disappear.’ The incident was rather eerie and disturbing to begin with; and it continues to become more so.

    (Clicky for piccy!) (Clicky for piccy!)  (Clicky for piccy!)

    Here is what one does know. Raymond Davis, a staff member of the US Consulate in Lahore shot two Pakistani men dead on Thursday in a crowded part of Lahore (Mozang Chowk), according to him in self-defense. A US Consulate vehicle that rushed in to ‘rescue’ Mr. David then ran over a third person, who also died. A murder case was then registered against Raymond Davis, who was handed into police custody. A case has also been registered against the driver of the US Consulate vehicle that ran over a third person, but the driver has not yet been apprehended. After a fair deal of scrambling by both US and Pakistani officials on what to do or say, the positions of both have now started becoming clear and they have taken the stance that is usually taken in such cases: the US is asking that Raymond Davis, as a diplomatic functionary, should be handed back to them; Pakistan seems to be responding that the matter is sub judice and should take its course.

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    earliest reports suggested that Raymond Davis was a “technical adviser” and a “consular” official. More recently, US Embassy officials have described him as a “functionary” of the Embassy assigned to the US Consulate in Lahore and carrying a US Diplomatic passport. Reportedly he was hired at the US Consulate in Lahore as a security contractor from a Florida-based firm Hyperion Protective Consultants. All of this has material relevance to whether he would enjoy diplomatic immunity or not, but even more because of the apprehensions of many Pakistanis that he could be linked to the CIA or to the infamous firm Blackwater (later renamed XE Services).


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    And that leads squarely to the second question: what exactly was happening at Mozang? Very much in line with the immediate knee-jerk reaction of many Pakistanis, an early commentary by Jeff Stein in The Washington Post seemed to suggest rather fancifully that the shootout could have been a “Spy rendezvous gone bad?” That would be a conspiracy theory, but not an entirely implausible one. Mozang is not a part of town that you would expect too many foreigners, let alone a US official, visiting; and certainly not in what was reportedly a rented private vehicle.

    And while Pakistan today is clearly an unsafe place, the question of just why an Embassy official was carrying a firearm be wished away. On the other hand, however, Mr. Davis claims that he shot in self defense as the two men on the motorcycle were trying to rob him at gun point. Anyone who knows Pakistan knows all too well that this, too, is entirely possible. TV footage and reports coming immediately after the incident showed one of the young men lying dead with a revolver and wearing an ammunition belt.


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  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #21 - January 30, 2011, 04:29 PM

    I can think of plenty of cases of civilians commiting murder while abroad.  And btw, if he is a CIA mole he would hardly draw attention to himself by shooting two locals in broad daylight - unless of course it really was self defense.   whistling2


    Hmmm true. Well if he was linked to the CIA, attacking him isn't really a bad thing then is it, seeing as he shouldn't be there in the 1st place! Guess we'll have to see how it plays out.......
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #22 - January 30, 2011, 04:33 PM

    No, I guess its not a bad thing to attack an armed member of the CIA, as long as you don't mind ending up shot in the face.   Tongue  And yes, we'll have to wait and see, none of us really know the full facts yet.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #23 - January 30, 2011, 04:35 PM

    For all I know he could be behind gathering 'intelligence' (or lack of it) for the drone strikes  whistling2
    They should just go back home for everyone's sake............

    Why, so TTP can plan their terrorist attacks against the pakistani civilians in peace? I hate it when you pass idiotic judgements sitting overseas with no idea of the dynamics of Pakistan. If those drone strikes stop, the TTP terrorists will speed up their terrorist attacks which endanger the lives of civilians like me.
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #24 - January 30, 2011, 04:37 PM

    Hmmm true. Well if he was linked to the CIA, attacking him isn't really a bad thing then is it, seeing as he shouldn't be there in the 1st place! Guess we'll have to see how it plays out.......

    How on earth can you be in favor of TTP and taliban over CIA? CIA has never killed a civilian in Pakistan, whereas TTP and taliban are directly responsible for thousands of death of civilians in my city.
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #25 - January 30, 2011, 04:38 PM

    for all I know he could be behind gathering 'intelligence' (or lack of it) for the drone strikes  whistling2

    This is the third time you pulled the same "for all I know" out.

    Do you recall 'I haven't ever heard him condemn the american occupation of afghanistan, so I can only assume he's pro-war.' or I could mention a certain sura but that would piss you off so I won't.

    Get the picture?

    Because you lack knowledge one way or another you cannot claim anything. It's called argument from ignorance.

    Let me show you: For all I know you are a Zionist agent spamming on the forum.


  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #26 - January 30, 2011, 04:42 PM

    I hate it when you pass idiotic judgements sitting overseas with no idea of the dynamics of Pakistan.

    Her conspiracy-theorist "us vs. them" mindset survived the apostasy.

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #27 - January 30, 2011, 04:43 PM

    LAHORE: Deputy Prosecutor General of Punjab, Rana Bakhtiar said on Sunday that Raymond Davis had fired the bullets from the back thus it was not a case of ‘self defense’ as he had stated earlier.


    I find that nearly impossible to believe. Why on earth would an american guy, aware of all the anti american sentiment in Pakistan, randomly shoot two guys from behind in broad daylight and on a busy street? And then a van came rushing over to rescue him and in the rush they ran over someone else, clearly if this was a planned assassination they would have planned it better than this.

    Its more likely that when those idiots saw him pulling out his gun, they turned and tried to run, hence being shot in the back.
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #28 - January 30, 2011, 04:45 PM

    Her conspiracy-theorist "us vs. them" mindset survived the apostasy.

    Yea, its really sad. Given that she's from an army family of Pakistan, I'm not surprised by this. I hope she gets rid of that mentality eventually.
  • Re: Oh boy! news says American kills three in Lahore!
     Reply #29 - January 30, 2011, 04:50 PM

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    How on earth can you be in favor of TTP and taliban over CIA?


    Being against the CIA makes me pro-TTP?   Roll Eyes

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    CIA has never killed a civilian in Pakistan


    Slap yourself for saying that.

    http://news.antiwar.com/2010/01/02/us-killed-700-civilians-in-pakistan-drone-strikes-in-2009/

    http://news.antiwar.com/2010/08/23/us-drone-strike-destroys-house-full-of-children-in-pakistan/

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    I hate it when you pass idiotic judgements sitting overseas with no idea of the dynamics of Pakistan.


    The irony  Cheesy

    Stick to bitching about not getting laid or seeing girls in short skirts Tongue
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