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  • Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     OP - February 13, 2011, 01:51 PM

    In the Quran we read that it is a clear book, easy to understand in several places:

    O people of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a (new) light and a perspicuous Book, -- Quran 5:15

    O mankind! verily there hath come to you a convincing proof from your Lord: For We have sent unto you a light (that is) manifest -- Quran 4:174

    A. L. R. These are the Ayats of Revelation,- of a Qur'an that makes things clear. -- Quran 15:1

    This statement is repeated in 36:69, 12:1, 26:2, 27:1, 28:2, 43:2, 44:2, 10:15, 19:73, 22:16, 22:72, 24:1, 34:43, and many many more.

    But here comes the shocker:

    He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah.
    And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
    -- Quran 3: 7

    Quran is littered with verses that are completely senseless, especially to those who read Arabic Natively. If an Arab native with good understanding of Arabic (including its various dialects) were to read Quran, he/she will find 20% of it to be pure rubbish. Just look at the verses that go A.L.M, and A.L.R. What is the purpose of having these verses, except to confuse people and cause them to go stray?

    Perhaps real reason for verses meaningless to humans is that Allah is extremely forgetful and wants to store some of his memories, intents, or other coded information in the Quran as it is an unalterable book.

    But honestly, I mock at the notion of something calling itself a clear and complete book, while simultaneously making so many errors, following no chronological orders, and having no real chapters arranged according to a single topic. It is nothing more than a hodge podge of blabbering of a Kahin and a mad man.

    The most merciful Allah, who is more merciful than your own mortal mother, is capable of punishing you for eternity for a finite sin committed in a finite lifetime with finite knowledge, while your mother nor any living creature that is NOT a sadistic mother fucker would never commit such an act.
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #1 - February 17, 2011, 05:23 AM

    Did you mention my name? Why do you think it has no chronological order, no real chapters arranged according to a topic? Are you saying that Mo and Om were slightly retarded?

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #2 - February 17, 2011, 08:01 AM

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    Why do you think it has no chronological order, no real chapters arranged according to a topic?

    Its not only that.....its like a sloppy cut/paste. There are half stories flung here and there, randomly cutting into some completely unrelated topic somewhere else. Its like a word salad, that requires a ton of other books (hadiths and such) to actually understand.

    This has always boggled my mind. Its so poorly constructed.

    The foundation of superstition is ignorance, the
    superstructure is faith and the dome is a vain hope. Superstition
    is the child of ignorance and the mother of misery.
    -Robert G. Ingersoll (1898)

     "Do time ninjas have this ability?" "Yeah. Only they stay silent and aren't douchebags."  -Ibl
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #3 - February 17, 2011, 09:58 AM

    In the Quran we read that it is a clear book, easy to understand in several places:
    Quote
    O people of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a (new) light and a perspicuous Book, -- Quran 5:15

    O mankind! verily there hath come to you a convincing proof from your Lord: For We have sent unto you a light (that is) manifest -- Quran 4:174

    A. L. R. These are the Ayats of Revelation,- of a Qur'an that makes things clear. -- Quran 15:1


    This statement is repeated in 36:69, 12:1, 26:2, 27:1, 28:2, 43:2, 44:2, 10:15, 19:73, 22:16, 22:72, 24:1, 34:43, and many many more.


    But here comes the shocker..........................

      It is nothing more than a hodge podge of blabbering of a Kahin and a mad man.


    You seem to have problem in understanding  these verses from Allah book Zeeman

    Quote
    a Seen Meem.[Al Quran ; 28:1]

    Ta Seen, [Al Quran ; 27:1]

    Ta Seen Meem [Al Quran ; 26:1]

    Ta Ha. [Al Quran ; 20:1]

    Kaf Ha Ya Ein Sad. [Al Quran ; 19:1]

    Alif Lam Ra. [Al Quran ; 15:1]

    Alif Lam Ra. [Al Quran ; 14:1]

    Alif, Lam, Mim, Ra. [Al Quran ; 13:1]

    Alif Lam Ra.[Al Quran ; 12:1]

    Alif Lam Ra.[Al Quran ; 11:1]

    Alif Lam Ra.[Al Quran ; 10:1]

    Alif Lam Meem Sad.[Al Quran ; 7:1]

    Alif Lam Meem.[Al Quran ; 3:1]

    Alif Lam Meem.[Al Quran ; 2:1]


    DOOM..  DUM  DUM  DAMN.. KHABOOM(yeezevee Quran verse XXX.XXX)  

    What is the problem dear Zeeman? You are NOT supposed use brain to analyze what is there in it. But just sing song , make noises out of those verses. Then they will be clear to you.   We have discussed that that in many posts .

    Let me paste a FULL Chapter from Quran that i made some time back  

    Quote
    Ohyee!.. False believers of Allah
        Allah knows.. what is in your heart"
        Allah knows..
        "when a false believer is HURT,
        then you start believing Allah"
        And you say we are with you. "We are with Allah"

        Allah know., You LIARS
        "when help from your Lord comes, they will surely say:
        "Indeed, we were with you"
        but After time passes .
        ..you transgress Allah commands.. and.. you forget Allah
        .. You bloody Lairs.. Cheaters and Rascals "..
      
    Ta Seen Meem
        Kaf Ha Ya Ein Sad.
        Alif Lam Ra ..
        .Doom ....Dam... DoooomM

        ..KhaboomM....
        Meem... dum..dum
        ..Ta Ha....
     Alif Lam Mim
     Faa' Qaaf.


    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=9219.msg234387#msg234387

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #4 - February 17, 2011, 10:11 AM

    What I found interesting when I first read those verses was

    1: People who make miracle claims about ALM etc being checksums ensuring the integrity of the Quran are in fact doing exactly what the Quran orders them not to do, trying to work out a hidden meaning.
    2: What the fuck is the point of writing a book and putting in bits that nobody knows the meaning of except the author, unless you are writing a list of items you need to remember - but Allah never forgets.

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #5 - February 17, 2011, 10:23 AM

    PS: Don't the verses which say it has been made clear mean "It is revealed using clear Arabic words" rather than that the meaning is clear?

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #6 - February 17, 2011, 10:45 AM

    PS: Don't the verses which say it has been made clear mean "It is revealed using clear Arabic words" rather than that the meaning is clear?


     Well if you question a verse from Quran or any verse from any religious books using your analytical and rational abilities then  you will get in to problems. Islam is nothing more than Arabian Paganism along with a bit copy/pasted  Jewish/Christian/Pagan  religious/story books that is gone wild.


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #7 - February 17, 2011, 11:07 AM

    and all the sex and booty you could wish for Smiley

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #8 - February 17, 2011, 11:52 AM

    and all the sex and booty you could wish for Smiley

    ah.. Ha!.., that is ONLY FOR MEN. not for women of Islam.,  
     

    In fact the loot and booty for men is the one good reason ,  why Islam spread so quickly within 100 years of the death of Prophet of Islam.  The male followers of  Islam were brain washed with this concept where these words allegedly came out supreme super force allah/god/doll mouth   in such a way that Muslim robots go in to trans and act without using their brains in the name of allah.  Their belief was so simple, They get loot and booty in this life if they win wars and if they die in wars they also get loot and booty after life in allah heavens. .

    What more a man needs in this life and after this life??

    That is the key of Islam,  The Basic Animal instincts of human being were exploited by the ruthless often brainless  rulers/caliphs through the preachers of Islam. Indeed, it is the  the key difference between Islam and other religious scriptures.  I am still searching for such verses in other religious books and I would appreciate   references  if any one find anything similar in those lines that you see in Quran/hadith..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #9 - February 17, 2011, 02:56 PM

    Its not only that.....its like a sloppy cut/paste. There are half stories flung here and there, randomly cutting into some completely unrelated topic somewhere else. Its like a word salad, that requires a ton of other books (hadiths and such) to actually understand.

    This has always boggled my mind. Its so poorly constructed.


    You failed to understand the question? I said "why?" not "how?"

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #10 - February 17, 2011, 03:11 PM

    yeezevee where did you Cat go you have not done this to him Cheesy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8xEdnpl6WA

    "Religion is the purposeful suspension of critical thinking" Bill Maher
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #11 - February 17, 2011, 03:26 PM

    Posting videos of animal abuse. Fuckin classy.

    fuck you
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #12 - February 17, 2011, 03:27 PM

    You are one seriously fucked motherfucker, and I think you need help.

  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #13 - February 17, 2011, 03:30 PM

    Oh!  that is terrible..  Those guys are idiots dear hairyimp., Just fools.  

    Thanks for the link.. let me respond to those fools in that video..

    What?  Oops it is it your video??.,   hairyimp  did you make that video?? . Common take that out ., you are not that bad.. is that your Pet??

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #14 - February 17, 2011, 03:31 PM

    Is posting animal abuse videos against youtube guidelines? What about forum guidelines?

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #15 - February 17, 2011, 03:34 PM

    You are one seriously fucked motherfucker, and I think you need help.




    It's true. I do need help.  Cry

    fuck you
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #16 - February 17, 2011, 03:37 PM

    no way It is not my video it was downloaded from FB and to post it here i had to upload to youtube as I did not know any other way.

    here is the link if u can find them

    http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=187700747929025

    and i have no idea about the youtube pet abuse policy so i will take the video off ASAP

    "Religion is the purposeful suspension of critical thinking" Bill Maher
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #17 - February 17, 2011, 03:38 PM

    What country are they in?

    fuck you
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #18 - February 17, 2011, 03:39 PM

    The problem isn't so much whether or not you made it.  The problem really is that

    1: You made it more available
    2: You think it is funny

    Tormenting defenceless animals is disgusting.

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #19 - February 17, 2011, 03:40 PM

    I wasn't talking to you Qman, but if you need help then get help...................

    And Imp, who made the video then, and was the original title about Yeezevee? If not, then you reuploading it and turning it into a joke is still an act of animal cruelty, sort of like turning a video about the holocaust into a directed joke is an act of anti-semitism.

    If you were catholic I would say you need about 99 hail marys and since you are not it means a long hard self-reflection about your views towards animals and animal cruelty.

    Animal cruelty is wrong, as is trivilising and humourising it.
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #20 - February 17, 2011, 03:40 PM

    no way It is not my video it was downloaded from FB and to post it here i had to upload to youtube as I did not know any other way.

    here is the link if u can find them

    http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=187700747929025

    and i have no idea about the youtube pet abuse policy so i will take the video off ASAP

    thank you for that response, you made my day., I was worried a bit..,  Let me see what I can do at that face book..

    Thanks..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #21 - February 17, 2011, 03:43 PM

    The problem isn't so much whether or not you made it.  The problem really is that

    1: You made it more available
    2: You think it is funny

    Tormenting defenceless animals is disgusting.


    deleted from youtube and can I be forgiven but I am going to be honest I do find it funny as long as I or some one I know is not doing it, although it is animal cruality no doubt about that

    "Religion is the purposeful suspension of critical thinking" Bill Maher
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #22 - February 17, 2011, 03:45 PM

    Do cruelty is okay if you know the person doing it? Can you imagine how frightened that cat was as it tried to get to its feet and escape multiple times but failed because it didn't even know which way up us?  Laughing at pain or fear is just not right.

    There are few people I'd outright punch in the face, but that guy would certainly be one of them.

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #23 - February 17, 2011, 03:46 PM

    You are one seriously fucked motherfucker, and I think you need help.




    If you are addressing me, next time use a decent language coz when it comes to humans I tend to respect them, and will criticise them with all my heart but never use the words you used.

    "Religion is the purposeful suspension of critical thinking" Bill Maher
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #24 - February 17, 2011, 03:47 PM

    hairyimp, you can be forgiven if you post the names, addresses, emails and phone numbers of the people in that video. There need to be consequences for their actions.

    fuck you
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #25 - February 17, 2011, 03:48 PM

     
    deleted from youtube and can I be forgiven

    no..no., there is NOTHING TO BE FORGIVEN THERE., you just wanted to make   fun of yeez character with some one's video   without knowing That Cat really flipped.  that is bad for cats. they can literally enter in to coma..
    Quote
    but I am going to be honest I do find it funny as long as I or some one I know is doing it, although it is animal cruality no doubt about that

    Well if it your pet and well trained for such acrobatic actions that is fine but these guys seems to be doing that with some one else's cat ...

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #26 - February 17, 2011, 03:51 PM

    If you are addressing me, next time use a decent language coz when it comes to humans I tend to respect them, and will criticise them with all my heart but never use the words you used.


    Oh dear. The animal cruelty man doesn't like naughty words.

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #27 - February 17, 2011, 03:51 PM

    Swearing is a vice of mine

    Finding animal cruelty funny is a vice of yours, not to play holier than thou but I think one is worst than another.

    I think the beam and the splinter example is apt here.

    Especially considering swearing is a splinter compared to animal cruelty and it's promotion and humourisation

    ''Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own?''

    Nonetheless, I will work on my language.
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #28 - February 17, 2011, 03:54 PM

    Do cruelty is okay if you know the person doing it? Can you imagine how frightened that cat was as it tried to get to its feet and escape multiple times but failed because it didn't even know which way up us?  Laughing at pain or fear is just not right.

    There are few people I'd outright punch in the face, but that guy would certainly be one of them.


    Well that was a kind of a joke, but still I have done this same stunt with my nephews and I love them and yes when they are dizzy we laugh, and that is in no way cruelty. I would never do this to a cat or animal but still, I will never know what they felt who made this video and again you have to define cruelty.

    hairyimp, you can be forgiven if you post the names, addresses, emails and phone numbers of the people in that video. There need to be consequences for their actions.


    I already posted the source  of video but here it is again, it seems like some pakistani page

    http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=187700747929025

    "Religion is the purposeful suspension of critical thinking" Bill Maher
  • Re: Verses Whose Meaning Only Allah Knows?
     Reply #29 - February 17, 2011, 03:57 PM

    Swearing is a vice of mine

    Finding animal cruelty funny is a vice of yours, not to play holier than thou but I think one is worst than another.

    I think the beam and the splinter example is apt here.

    Especially considering swearing is a splinter compared to animal cruelty and it's promotion and humourisation

    ''Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own?''

    Nonetheless, I will work on my language.


     
    Oh dear. The animal cruelty man doesn't like naughty words.


    well this is just a response and the final one to your posts, that is if you choose to continue on this issue
    FUCK OFF

    ETA: "Nonetheless, I will work on my language." READ AFTER POSTING SORRY Wink

    "Religion is the purposeful suspension of critical thinking" Bill Maher
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