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  • Arabic vaginas
     OP - February 15, 2011, 08:36 AM

    A guy named tudungsenduk has commented on my video that in saying to protect your farj the Quran means "keep your distance".  His argument is essentially

    1: When Muslims pray together they keep close their farj.
    2: Men do not have gaps, so it would make no sense to call a man's penis a farj.
    3: "feehi" in 66:12 means that Allah blew into her (miriam) not her farj, just as when Allah breathed life into Adam.

    My immediate counter argument is that feehi means "in it". If it follows a person then it refers to that person, otherwise it refers to the object which was previously named.  For example 2:2 says al kitaabu Laa rayda feehi which means the book no doubt IN IT.

    In addition.
    21:91 says that Allah blew into HER because it says feeHA, 66:12 says how Allah did it because it mentions Miriam's farj and then says Allah blew into IT (feehi).

    66:12 mentions Miriam's farj and then Allah blows feehi, showing that her farj is an object.

    I hope I have that right?  Would be good to see an Arabic speaker's response on it to strengthen my case.  The link is here



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  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #1 - February 15, 2011, 09:27 AM

    I have no idea whether you're right or not, but any thread titled "Arabic Vaginas" is pure win. I can see this going places.

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  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #2 - February 15, 2011, 09:39 AM

    I named it in order to attract a sufficient level of attention Smiley

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  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #3 - February 15, 2011, 09:47 AM

    You are right, TheRationalizer.
    feehi = "in it (masculine)"  or "in him"
    feeha = "in it (feminine)"  or "in her"

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  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #4 - February 15, 2011, 10:02 AM

    Thanks ateapotist.  I knew I was right, it's just that I expected Feehu for a masculine.  Why is it "HI" and not "HU"?

    Here is my reply:
    Quote
    @tudungsenduk
    feehi = Masculine
    feeha = Feminine

    66:12 says "fanafakhnaa feeHI"

    So, it either says
    "We breathed into HIM", or it says "We breathed into IT". Farj is a masculine word, so the breathing clearly went into the masculine word "Farj" and not the feminine person Miriam.

    I think that's pretty conclusive isn't it, unless you are claiming Miriam was a man?  That indeed would be a miraculous conception.


    Now I have the confidence to rebuke such a bogus claim every time I am confronted with it.  Thanks.

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  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #5 - February 15, 2011, 10:37 AM

    Why is it "HI" and not "HU"?

    That, I couldn't tell you.  Presumably because of some complicated arabic grammar rule.  You will never ever get feehu.

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  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #6 - February 15, 2011, 10:38 AM

    And I used to think Arabic was a really logical language Smiley

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  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #7 - February 15, 2011, 10:44 AM

    A guy named tudungsenduk has commented on my video that in saying to protect your farj the Quran means "keep your distance".  His argument is essentially

    1: When Muslims pray together they keep close their farj.
    2: Men do not have gaps, so it would make no sense to call a man's penis a farj.
    3: "feehi" in 66:12 means that Allah blew into her (miriam) not her farj, just as when Allah breathed life into Adam.

    My immediate counter argument is that feehi means "in it". If it follows a person then it refers to that person, otherwise it refers to the object which was previously named.  For example 2:2 says al kitaabu Laa rayda feehi which means the book no doubt IN IT.

    In addition.
    21:91 says that Allah blew into HER because it says feeHA, 66:12 says how Allah did it because it mentions Miriam's farj and then says Allah blew into IT (feehi).

    66:12 mentions Miriam's farj and then Allah blows feehi, showing that her farj is an object.

    I hope I have that right?  Would be good to see an Arabic speaker's response on it to strengthen my case.  The link is here






    lol I give that guy 10 out of 10 and a gold star for creativeness. It just goes to show how one can make what is a relatively straightforward sentence mean whatever you like  Afro

    Your reply is quite right, plus where on earth does أحصن الفرج ever mean "Keep your distance!" - it's just plain stupid - but like I say, I got tip my hat to the guy for his lateral thinking  grin12

    I'm going to piss you off now - but you know the more I look at these two verses: 21:91 and 66:12 - the more I think it may actually simply be a grammatical error.

    Here, look:

    وَالَّتِي أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهَا مِنْ رُوحِنَا وَجَعَلْنَاهَا وَابْنَهَا آيَةً لِلْعَالَمِينَ

    وَمَرْيَمَ ابْنَتَ عِمْرَانَ الَّتِي أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهِ مِنْ رُوحِنَا وَصَدَّقَتْ بِكَلِمَاتِ رَبِّهَا وَكُتُبِهِ وَكَانَتْ مِنَ الْقَانِتِينَ



    I think either Muhammad or the scribe made a mistake putting فِيهِ in the second verse instead of فِيهَا . In other words it is talking about blowing into Maryam as the first verse says, but someone simply made a mistake.

    Well it's a strong possibility imho anyhooo - sorry mate lol  grin12
  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #8 - February 15, 2011, 10:46 AM

    It's okay.  I am perfectly happy to accept that there is an error in the Quran.  In fact, I'd much prefer people to reach that conclusion Smiley

    It's a true dichotomy
    A: He blew up her gaps
    B: The Quran is in error

    It's a real gem Smiley

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  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #9 - February 15, 2011, 10:49 AM

    Thanks ateapotist.  I knew I was right, it's just that I expected Feehu for a masculine.  Why is it "HI" and not "HU"?


    It's to do with the preceding vowel. So e.g ُهذا كتابُه  BUT في كتابِهِ

    And I used to think Arabic was a really logical language Smiley


    It is actually quite a logical and simple rule.
  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #10 - February 15, 2011, 10:52 AM

    مَرۡيَمَ ٱبۡنَتَ عِمۡرَٲنَ ٱلَّتِىٓ أَحۡصَنَتۡ فَرۡجَهَا فَنَفَخۡنَا فِيهِ
    Which word makes it Feehi rather than feehu, and how?

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  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #11 - February 15, 2011, 10:54 AM

    Which word makes it Feehi rather than feehu, and how?


    The particle "In" في makes it "hi"  - You can't say Feehu.
  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #12 - February 15, 2011, 10:58 AM

    Oh sorry, the "fiy" at the start of "fiyhu" (slaps forehead) - ofcourse, thanks!

    You see, all those years learning Arabic were not a waste of time.  Without them you wouldn't be able to sit here and talk about Mary's vagina with confidence that Allah's Nuh was blown inside it Smiley

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  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #13 - February 15, 2011, 11:00 AM

    You see, all those years learning Arabic were not a waste of time.  Without them you wouldn't be able to sit here and talk about Mary's vagina


     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    I feel so much better - thanks mate!  Afro
  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #14 - February 15, 2011, 11:00 AM

    It's okay, people often look to me when they wish to feel better about their own lives Smiley

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  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #15 - February 15, 2011, 11:13 AM

    Quote
    but you know the more I look at these two verses: 21:91 and 66:12 - the more I think it may actually simply be a grammatical error.


    One of Allah's more embarrassing typos, huh?
  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #16 - February 15, 2011, 11:15 AM

    It's great though isn't it Smiley

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  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #17 - February 15, 2011, 11:22 AM



    Here, look:

    وَالَّتِي أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهَا مِنْ رُوحِنَا وَجَعَلْنَاهَا وَابْنَهَا آيَةً لِلْعَالَمِينَ

    وَمَرْيَمَ ابْنَتَ عِمْرَانَ الَّتِي أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهِ مِنْ رُوحِنَا وَصَدَّقَتْ بِكَلِمَاتِ رَبِّهَا وَكُتُبِهِ وَكَانَتْ مِنَ الْقَانِتِينَ



    I think either Muhammad or the scribe made a mistake putting فِيهِ in the second verse instead of فِيهَا . In other words it is talking about blowing into Maryam as the first verse says, but someone simply made a mistake.

    Well it's a strong possibility imho anyhooo - sorry mate lol  grin12

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  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #18 - February 15, 2011, 11:28 AM

    It's great though isn't it Smiley



    Yeah, yet more evidence that Allah should have proof read the Qur'an before he revealed it.  Tongue
  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #19 - February 15, 2011, 11:56 AM

    But who could he trust? Just a suggestion, but perhaps a better idea would have been if Allah copy & pasted the Quran into a Microsoft Word, and run a spell check on the Quran from there. 

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  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #20 - February 15, 2011, 11:57 AM

    Perhaps Allah did do that, but there were too many grammatical errors to fix and he was working to a deadline?

    I can see the scene now.  Allah sitting at his PC saying "Oh shit, now I have green squiggly lines as well as red ones!"

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  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #21 - February 15, 2011, 12:15 PM

    One last thing.  Is the fiyhi/fiyha determined simply by whether the target word is a Sun or Moon letter (excepting the case of naming an object with a physical gender)?

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  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #22 - February 15, 2011, 01:00 PM

    One last thing.  Is the fiyhi/fiyha determined simply by whether the target word is a Sun or Moon letter (excepting the case of naming an object with a physical gender)?


    It's gender that determines whether it is ه or ها.

    It has nothing to do with Sun/Moon letters, (that only relates to how you pronounce a word with the definite article i.e. القمر aL-Qamar الشمس ASH-Shams)

  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #23 - February 15, 2011, 01:03 PM

    Thanks Hassan.

    Is it the gender of the word then which determines the HI/HA and not the Sun/Moon letter?  How do I prove FARJAHA is a masculine word?

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  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #24 - February 15, 2011, 01:09 PM

    Thanks Hassan.

    Is it the gender of the word then which determines the HI/HA and not the Sun/Moon letter?  How do I prove FARJAHA is a masculine word?


    Yes it is the gender of the noun that determines what pronoun you use.

    You don't have to prove that Farj is a masculine noun - it's a fact! If someone denies that they don't know Arabic.
  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #25 - February 15, 2011, 01:10 PM

    Because it doesn't end with "ta"?

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  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #26 - February 15, 2011, 01:14 PM

    Because it doesn't end with "ta"?


    The ta (ة - تاء مربوطة) is the most common way of determining a feminine noun, but there are some that don't have the ta that are feminine. The thing is that they are known - it's not a question of guesswork.
  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #27 - February 15, 2011, 01:18 PM

    The ta (ة - تاء مربوطة) is the most common way of determining a feminine noun, but there are some that don't have the ta that are feminine. The thing is that they are known - it's not a question of guesswork.


    btw the word تاء (name of the letter Ta) is an example of a word that is feminine but doesn't have the ة at the end - and that can be seen by the adjective مربوطة after it that ends with ة
  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #28 - February 15, 2011, 01:20 PM

    Now he is claiming that fiyhi means Jesus.

    "and Mary daughter of Imran who guarded her distance (from Gabriel), so we breathed into him(Jesus) from our spirit"

    Can fiyhi possibly reference something that has not been named such as Jesus?

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  • Re: Arabic vaginas
     Reply #29 - February 15, 2011, 01:36 PM

    Smacks of special pleading.

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