The Time Has Come to Challenge The Quran

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The Time Has Come to Challenge The Quran
OP - March 10, 2011, 12:16 AM

I am working on the ultimatum of arguments to challenge Muslims about the Quran's irrefutable errors.

I am known as luftazure now in www.(to be added later).com.

Please check out my intro here:
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And please back me up when I start posting the arguments.

Will keep everyone here up to date and will request support when required.

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Re: The Time Has Come to Challenge The Quran
Reply #1 - March 10, 2011, 12:17 AM

Does anybody know a good english speaking muslim forum?

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Re: The Time Has Come to Challenge The Quran
Reply #2 - March 10, 2011, 12:19 AM

Here's how I intend to introduce myself and the debate:

Asalamu Alaikum brothers and sisters in humanity,

This is luftazure, a questioning deist, confused muslim and truth-seeker.

That means I believe in God, have a lot of questions that need answering, and I will go to then ends of the Earth to learn the truth behind our existence and the reason we are all here.

I have always been a devout male Muslim, fasting and praying from a young age.

I have never been married.

When I was 19 I turned from Sunni to Quranic due to several reasons, all which can be found here: www.quranic.org

When I was 23 I turned from Quranic to Deist. That is because... I... believed that the Quran is the ultimate truth and the perfect book mainly because of its scientific miracles especially numerical ones. These can be found here: http://miraclesofthequran.com/index2.php

Then I learned that they were all fraud when I came across a search engine in Arabic and found them all to be LIES.

Not only that but I found more and more scientific miracles debunked by a youtuber. His channel can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheIslammiracle

I have decided to enter into debates to discover the ultimate truth as I wish to be a true non-doubting Muslim.

And as Al Imam Al Ghazaly said: Doubt Always Precedes Faith.

So please forgive my doubts and treat me as you would like to be treated especially that I still have faith.

Thank You and God Bless

luftazure

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Re: The Time Has Come to Challenge The Quran
Reply #3 - March 10, 2011, 12:26 AM

Quote from: luftazure on March 10, 2011, 12:17 AM
Does anybody know a good english speaking muslim forum?

how about http://www.ummah.com/forum/ dear luftazure lol..

They speak pretty good English..

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Re: The Time Has Come to Challenge The Quran
Reply #4 - March 10, 2011, 12:28 AM

I was also about to suggest ummah dot com.

They're pretty stupid over there though...most of them anyway
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Re: The Time Has Come to Challenge The Quran
Reply #5 - March 10, 2011, 12:31 AM

Before you start, you might want to have a few rules and regulations.

Especially about logical fallacies, you'll get A TRUCK LOAD if you don't stop it before it starts.
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Re: The Time Has Come to Challenge The Quran
Reply #6 - March 10, 2011, 12:34 AM

Quote from: mighty_cats on March 10, 2011, 12:28 AM
I was also about to suggest ummah dot com.

They're pretty stupid over there though...most of them anyway

well there are plenty.. lol..only the time is limited mighty_cats

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/forum.php
http://forums.islamicawakening.com/
http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/
http://muslimvillage.com/forums/
http://aussiemuslims.com/forums/index.php?s=b4cc88579e3e3ec9f95e02ecf0128c21

and more and more.....

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Re: The Time Has Come to Challenge The Quran
Reply #7 - March 10, 2011, 12:35 AM

or www.islamicboard.com perhaps? I suspect there are mostly unsophisticated sheep there.

http://forums.islamicawakening.com has a bit more independent thinking, although mostly salafi fanatics.

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Re: The Time Has Come to Challenge The Quran
Reply #8 - March 10, 2011, 12:43 AM

Quote from: ateapotist on March 10, 2011, 12:35 AM
...... mostly unsophisticated sheep there.

... although mostly salafi fanatics.

They're pretty stupid ....

pretty stupid... salafi fanatics... sheep .. That is not fair ateapotist.,

It should not make any difference what the other side is., the goal is asking critical questions and moving them out of their comfort zone so they start asking questions themselves. So in Rome you got behave like Roman and at the same time show them there is whole new world out there..such as CEMB..FFI.. Infidel.org..etc..

well let me add some more famous Islamic forums list here

http://www.salafitalk.net/st/
http://forum.netmuslims.com/
http://www.myiwc.com/forums/index.php?s
http://shiasisters.net/forum/index.php
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/
http://www.gawaher.com/
http://whyislam.org/forum/default.asp
http://uiforum.uaeforum.org/index.php
http://www.shiachat.com/forum/
http://revertmuslims.com/forum/index.php?showforum=46

well that should be enough .. lol..

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Re: The Time Has Come to Challenge The Quran
Reply #9 - March 10, 2011, 12:57 AM

lol. What's the world coming to? I'm being lectured by yeezevee for using words like "unsophisticated" and "sheep". Btw, I didn't use the word "stupid". You added that.

At least I don't call Muslims bearded baboons etc etc. Also, in my defence, I am not making these comments on their site. This is our site.

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Re: The Time Has Come to Challenge The Quran
Reply #10 - March 10, 2011, 01:02 AM

Quote from: ateapotist on March 10, 2011, 12:57 AM

At least I don't call Muslims bearded baboons etc etc.

no..no.. NO...YOU ARE WRONG., that is not for every Muslim guy., that word is very specific and only few Muslims(less than 1%) Qualify for that degree ateapotist., In fact not even to many of those guys in those forums..

Quote
Also, in my defence, I am not making these comments on their site. This is our site.

I thought you want to go there and say this
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"You stupids... with sheep mentality...

why you say Bhaaaaa all the time? can you make some new sounds??

lol...

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Re: The Time Has Come to Challenge The Quran
Reply #11 - March 10, 2011, 01:02 AM

yeah I'll get down on it next time I got some time on my hands coz I got some massive college workloads.
thanks all and good night

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Re: The Time Has Come to Challenge The Quran
Reply #12 - March 10, 2011, 01:03 AM

Quote from: yeezevee on March 10, 2011, 01:02 AM
no..no.. NO...YOU ARE WRONG., that is not for every Muslim guy., that word is very specific and only few Muslims(less than 1%) Qualify for that degree ateapotist., In fact not even to many of those guys in those forums..
I thought you want to go there and say this lol...

Jester of the month next month WIN

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Re: The Time Has Come to Challenge The Quran
Reply #13 - March 10, 2011, 01:48 AM

Quote from: mighty_cats on March 10, 2011, 12:31 AM
Before you start, you might want to have a few rules and regulations.

Especially about logical fallacies, you'll get A TRUCK LOAD if you don't stop it before it starts.

Like what should I say about rules and regulations? And what kind of logical fallacies?

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Re: The Time Has Come to Challenge The Quran
Reply #14 - March 10, 2011, 01:50 AM

Not sure how to make them into a ruling list (problems like this will generally be the central problem)
(On occasion I've heard up to 6 logical fallacies in just 5 statements, from Muslims)

Perhaps a 3 strike policy?
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Re: The Time Has Come to Challenge The Quran
Reply #15 - March 10, 2011, 01:57 AM

It is always a good deed to troll muslim forums. Anyways, check out my past conquests:

http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=12997.0

Other then that, I had another one at sunniforum. I am sure its minutes are still there somewhere on the forum.

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Re: The Time Has Come to Challenge The Quran
Reply #16 - March 10, 2011, 02:20 AM

Quote from: mighty_cats on March 10, 2011, 01:50 AM
Not sure how to make them into a ruling list (problems like this will generally be the central problem)
(On occasion I've heard up to 6 logical fallacies in just 5 statements, from Muslims)

Perhaps a 3 strike policy?

What's a 3 strike policy MC?

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Re: The Time Has Come to Challenge The Quran
Reply #17 - March 10, 2011, 02:20 AM

Thx Muddy, I've been looking for those
However I do want you to know that I'm taking this very seriously, far from the intentions of trolling.

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Re: The Time Has Come to Challenge The Quran
Reply #18 - March 10, 2011, 02:32 AM

I did that too.. but to them, me and you are still trolls.

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Re: The Time Has Come to Challenge The Quran
Reply #19 - March 10, 2011, 08:09 AM

You can try

www.pashtunforums.com

You got a few Hardcore Salafis there, plus alot of Taliban supporters from Holland. They will make your time there worth while, The Religion section is very popular with like 1000s of views from visitors each hour.
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Re: The Time Has Come to Challenge The Quran
Reply #20 - March 10, 2011, 05:24 PM

Wow I checked out one of the threads on the www.pashtunforums.com and it makes me rage a little. "Islam will Enter every household in America" fuck no. Islam right now is like a religious fad, I mean its freaking talked about in the media ALL the time. After a few years most of those converts will get bored/have doubts and leave.

Does trolling these forums really do any good I mean its like trying to debate with a rock all you'll get is this.

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Re: The Time Has Come to Challenge The Quran
Reply #21 - March 10, 2011, 05:58 PM

IA is surprising in that as long as you aren't overtly offensive to Islam the moderators won't delete your content ( the members are another issue). Unlike ummah or IB who as soon as it seems you make logical sense and it isn't Islamic friendly it vaporizes. IB's comparative religion board isn't bad though and has athiests Christians Hindus Buddhists and more on it.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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