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Reply #210 - March 27, 2011, 08:13 PM

Quote from: Ephemeral on March 27, 2011, 08:05 PM
Are you retarded?

2 peaks, that doesnt mean testosterone levels are non-existent throughout the month, you must be sexless. the peaks mean that i would proabably just tie a man down and have my way with him. i hope you arent turned on reading this.

stray question, have you heard of tentacle sex?

no i have not heard of this,but do you deny that a man is aroused many times a day,woman only once or twice or may be - maximum - once a day?you are saying you can keep 4 husbands satisfied by having sex 12 times a day, 3 times with each man?its impossible.whereas if a man have 4 wives he simply chooses only one for a day and all are satisfied
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Reply #211 - March 27, 2011, 08:20 PM

alsaeedm scroll up to the top of the page and click on messages - ive already sent you a personal message.

Don't argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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Reply #212 - March 27, 2011, 08:21 PM

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So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #213 - March 27, 2011, 08:21 PM

Quote from: alsaeedm on March 27, 2011, 08:13 PM
no i have not heard of this,but do you deny that a man is aroused many times a day,woman only once or twice or may be - maximum - once a day?you are saying you can keep 4 husbands satisfied by having sex 12 times a day, 3 times with each man?its impossible.whereas if a man have 4 wives he simply chooses only one for a day and all are satisfied

sorry alsaeem as a muslim brother - this is wrong .

Don't argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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Reply #214 - March 27, 2011, 08:22 PM

Yes Ishna, Same scripture. Its a common phenomenon. A jewish joke runs, where there are two jews in a legal disputation you will get three opinions and the old english saying you can quote scripture...etc. I think you are missing the point that legal diversity and opposing interpretation is in and of itself not a problem. However if you were intending to imply that is a deficiency in the Quran that differing views will arise from readings of its scripture. That is worthy of comment although probably deserving of a different thread. However in response to someone who is anti-islam dictating what muslims believe, well you can shout as loud as you like that we have to agree with the version of islam you hold to or seek to identify in the selections of quotes you assemble. Frankly thats childish. If you wish to reject muslims of old because they don't mesh with our times or current muslim thinking because it doesn't follow a medieval form well quite simply you are asking for it both ways. You are saying the sharia can't adapt in each age it is being formulated because...you don't want to allow to?
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Reply #215 - March 27, 2011, 08:23 PM

@ bluecake

Quote from: Prince Spinoza on March 27, 2011, 05:06 PM
, would it be ok if I made a thread for discussing why you are a muslim?

A simple yes or no would suffice
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Reply #216 - March 27, 2011, 08:23 PM

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alsaeedm scroll up to the top of the page and click on messages - ive already sent you a personal message.

hi brother imran,thanks,i have replied to you
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Reply #217 - March 27, 2011, 08:24 PM

Quote from: bluecake on March 27, 2011, 08:21 PM
sorry alsaeem as a muslim brother - this is wrong .

what is wrong brother,that a man is aroused more than a woman per day?
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Reply #218 - March 27, 2011, 08:27 PM

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Reply #219 - March 27, 2011, 08:27 PM

Quote from: lightrays on March 27, 2011, 08:22 PM
Yes Ishna, Same scripture. Its a common phenomenon. A jewish joke runs, where there are two jews in a legal disputation you will get three opinions and the old english saying you can quote scripture...etc. I think you are missing the point that legal diversity and opposing interpretation is in and of itself not a problem. However if you were intending to imply that is a deficiency in the Quran that differing views will arise from readings of its scripture. That is worthy of comment although probably deserving of a different thread. However in response to someone who is anti-islam dictating what muslims believe, well you can shout as loud as you like that we have to agree with the version of islam you hold to or seek to identify in the selections of quotes you assemble. Frankly thats childish. If you wish to reject muslims of old because they don't mesh with our times or current muslim thinking because it doesn't follow a medieval form well quite simply you are asking for it both ways. You are saying the sharia can't adapt in each age it is being formulated because...you don't want to allow to?

Sharia law is an abomination, because it takes its legitimacy from a divine source that claims to be immutable and of immanent authority. Even when there is 'dispute', that dispute makes recourse to divine credibility and Allah's law. Which is always implemented and dispensed by men in the misogynistic, patriarchal, oppressive institutions of Islam.

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Reply #220 - March 27, 2011, 08:27 PM

Quote from: alsaeedm on March 27, 2011, 07:57 PM
it is common sense,should be only equal vs equal,if woman is bodybuilder guy is also bodybuilder,and any way women bodybuilder get their bodies messed up,i have read about it.many of them are into women instead of men,this is what happens when allahs command is rejected

Meh I like Hassan's points and I think blue cake is being reasonable. I wanted to point out the silliness of " men are protectors of women because they are stronger" argument.

John Stuart Mill's The Subjugation of Women makes the point aptly.

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Nobody thinks it necessary to make a law that only a strong-armed man shall be a blacksmith. Freedom and competition suffice to make blacksmiths strong-armed men, because the weak armed can earn more by engaging in occupations for which they are more fit. In consonance with this doctrine, it is felt to be an overstepping of the proper bounds of authority to fix beforehand, on some general presumption, that certain persons are not fit to do certain things. It is now thoroughly known and admitted that if some such presumptions exist, no such presumption is infallible. Even if it be well grounded in a majority of cases, which it is very likely not to be, there will be a minority of exceptional cases in which it does not hold: and in those it is both an injustice to the individuals, and a detriment to society, to place barriers in the way of their using their faculties for their own benefit and for that of others. In the cases, on the other hand, in which the unfitness is real, the ordinary motives of human conduct will on the whole suffice to prevent the incompetent person from making, or from persisting in, the attempt.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #221 - March 27, 2011, 08:28 PM

Quote from: alsaeedm on March 27, 2011, 08:23 PM
hi brother imran,thanks,i have replied to you

Oooh, bluecake's name is Imran.

Hi Imran

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Reply #222 - March 27, 2011, 08:29 PM

Quote from: Prince Spinoza on March 27, 2011, 08:23 PM

A simple yes or no would suffice

Yeah Imran. Come on fella.

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Reply #223 - March 27, 2011, 08:29 PM

how are they all magically satisfied? explain this. The thing is its proven that women who live together naturally adjust their menstrual cycles. I.e you have your period around the same time. Women can have multiple orgasms. Can he fuck all these women daily say 3 times a day. He'd have to fuck 12 times a day. YOu'll find its remardkably easy for a woman to get fucked repeatedly and harder for a man to ejaculate so often.

But anyway Islam trains their women to be obedient and the culture teaches them that its not okay for them to be sexual anyway.

I am saying that i can keep 4 husbands satisfied by having them all worship the ground i walk on ( i explained i will choose my slaves wisely). I would deny them orgasm and prolong their sexual excitement and then please them whenever I wish. It's about me not them. I am a selfish person.
Quote from: alsaeedm on March 27, 2011, 08:13 PM
no i have not heard of this,but do you deny that a man is aroused many times a day,woman only once or twice or may be - maximum - once a day?you are saying you can keep 4 husbands satisfied by having sex 12 times a day, 3 times with each man?its impossible.whereas if a man have 4 wives he simply chooses only one for a day and all are satisfied

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Reply #224 - March 27, 2011, 08:31 PM

Four husbands and an octopus.

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Reply #225 - March 27, 2011, 08:32 PM

Quote from: billy on March 27, 2011, 08:27 PM
Sharia law is an abomination, because it takes its legitimacy from a divine source that claims to be immutable and of immanent authority. Even when there is 'dispute', that dispute makes recourse to divine credibility and Allah's law. Which is always implemented and dispensed by men in the misogynistic, patriarchal, oppressive institutions of Islam.

You can polish a turd as much as you like, its always going to be a turd.

Well done billy....you have made a good point. You prove Shariah law is an abomination because it is derived from a divine source. That is clearly not a personal opinion you have convinced us all that you know that it is not really from a divine source, ending age long arguments for and against the existence of God. instead you have cut to the chase and proved by your feelings that it is not true and therefore an abomination. And to think so many other people missed this truth...well done you must be a proud girl.
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Reply #226 - March 27, 2011, 08:32 PM

Quote from: lightrays on March 27, 2011, 08:22 PM
However in response to someone who is anti-islam dictating what muslims believe, well you can shout as loud as you like that we have to agree with the version of islam you hold to or seek to identify in the selections of quotes you assemble. Frankly thats childish. If you wish to reject muslims of old because they don't mesh with our times or current muslim thinking because it doesn't follow a medieval form well quite simply you are asking for it both ways. You are saying the sharia can't adapt in each age it is being formulated because...you don't want to allow to?

On the contrary, it's normally Muslims telling me exactly what they believe, ad nauseum. After a while, you see the patterns. Look at the arguments presented by the Muslims in this very thread - trite arguments we've read again and again on this very forum. Do you think there is anything new in this thread? Anything fresh? Any new ground covered?

That, and as an apostate of Islam myself, I know these beliefs intimately. And also, I can read.

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Reply #227 - March 27, 2011, 08:35 PM

Well Ishna you can't accuse me of telling you what to believe. On the contrary I was trying to find common ground to act as a starting point for dialogue.
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Reply #228 - March 27, 2011, 08:39 PM

Quote from: Ephemeral on March 27, 2011, 08:29 PM
how are they all magically satisfied? explain this. The thing is its proven that women who live together naturally adjust their menstrual cycles. I.e you have your period around the same time. Women can have multiple orgasms. Can he fuck all these women daily say 3 times a day. He'd have to fuck 12 times a day. YOu'll find its remardkably easy for a woman to get fucked repeatedly and harder for a man to ejaculate so often.

But anyway Islam trains their women to be obedient and the culture teaches them that its not okay for them to be sexual anyway.

I am saying that i can keep 4 husbands satisfied by having them all worship the ground i walk on ( i explained i will choose my slaves wisely). I would deny them orgasm and prolong their sexual excitement and then please them whenever I wish. It's about me not them. I am a selfish person.

on one day you can be one wife,on the next day the other,as i said women only need it may be once-twice a week,not every day like men do,hence they will be satisfied and the man will also be satisfied.but if its 1 woman 4 husband then she will need to have it 12 times a day to keep satisfied,or at least 8 times
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Reply #229 - March 27, 2011, 08:40 PM

Quote from: billy on March 27, 2011, 08:31 PM
Four husbands and an octopus.

Alien octopus with a family of its own. I extend my desire to physically abuse stuff to all living things, really.

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Reply #230 - March 27, 2011, 08:40 PM

to lightrays. There is really no point trying to convince them - when we present them with cogent arguments they desperately attempt to find a flaw that is non-existant - at least for the people on this thread its useless.

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Reply #231 - March 27, 2011, 08:41 PM

Quote from: alsaeedm on March 27, 2011, 08:39 PM
on one day you can be one wife,on the next day the other,as i said women only need it may be once-twice a week,not every day like men do,hence they will be satisfied and the man will also be satisfied.but if its 1 woman 4 husband then she will need to have it 12 times a day to keep satisfied,or at least 8 times

Im sorry, in which life were you a woman?

ALso, how does this crude reasoning make your God so beautiful?

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Reply #232 - March 27, 2011, 08:43 PM

Quote from: bluecake on March 27, 2011, 08:40 PM
to lightrays. There is really no point trying to convince them - when we present them with cogent arguments they desperately attempt to find a flaw that is non-existant - at least for the people on this thread its useless.

I'm offering you a chance to outline your beliefs in order to have a more fruitful discussion. Starting from the very beginning, Allah's existence. Would you like to do that?
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Reply #233 - March 27, 2011, 08:43 PM

Quote from: lightrays on March 27, 2011, 08:32 PM
Well done billy....you have made a good point. You prove Shariah law is an abomination because it is derived from a divine source. That is clearly not a personal opinion you have convinced us all that you know that it is not really from a divine source, ending age long arguments for and against the existence of God. instead you have cut to the chase and proved by your feelings that it is not true and therefore an abomination. And to think so many other people missed this truth...well done you must be a proud girl.

I'm a fella, lightrays

Now listen. Please answer without sounding aggrieved. If some tribes from the Amazon rainforest walked into our society and insisted that their divinely sourced laws, using their jungle gods as their ultimate authority, which were fundamentally misogynistic, capricious, oppressive, bigoted, although they contained differing views on certain rulings, which were nevertheless all divine sourced from these Jungle Gods, would you say that they were to be respected, when we have a society founded on the principles of universal rights, secular democracy, free conscience, freedom of speech, the primacy of the individual over the communal, EQUALITY of women, etc etc etc, and that this Jungle Gods law must be accorded the legitimacy of our sophisticated laws and customs, founded in common law, universal sufferage, secularism but most importantly, never perfected, but always being amended by the people for the people............would you accept that Jungle Gods law, or would you consider their claims ridiculous, preposterous, silly, laughable, comical, but when you realise they are actually being serious, that in practice, their Jungle Gods law is an abomination?

Well, there you go then. That's what sharia is.

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Reply #234 - March 27, 2011, 08:43 PM

Quote from: Ephemeral on March 27, 2011, 08:41 PM
Im sorry, in which life were you a woman?

ALso, how does this crude reasoning make your God so beautiful?

you are saying im wrong?women want it every day?every few hours they are aroused like men are?and its indeed beautiful,everything about us is created by allah for a reason and wisdom
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Reply #235 - March 27, 2011, 08:45 PM

Quote from: alsaeedm on March 27, 2011, 08:39 PM
on one day you can be one wife,on the next day the other,as i said women only need it may be once-twice a week,not every day like men do,hence they will be satisfied and the man will also be satisfied.but if its 1 woman 4 husband then she will need to have it 12 times a day to keep satisfied,or at least 8 times

alsaeedm please stop this argument it is not correct. You didnt look fully into the link I sent you. Polygamy isnt neccessarily favoured or looked down upon - it is accepted in certain circumstances. - read the quote from the beginning to end - you will see that it doesnt mention orphans for no reason.

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Reply #236 - March 27, 2011, 08:46 PM

Quote from: alsaeedm on March 27, 2011, 08:43 PM
you are saying im wrong?women want it every day?every few hours they are aroused like men are?

Plenty of women do, yes.

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Reply #237 - March 27, 2011, 08:47 PM

Quote from: bluecake on March 27, 2011, 08:40 PM
to lightrays. There is really no point trying to convince them - when we present them with cogent arguments they desperately attempt to find a flaw that is non-existant - at least for the people on this thread its useless.

Trying to polish a turd is not a cogent argument.

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Reply #238 - March 27, 2011, 08:47 PM

Quote from: lightrays on March 27, 2011, 08:32 PM
Well done billy....you have made a good point. You prove Shariah law is an abomination because it is derived from a divine source. That is clearly not a personal opinion you have convinced us all that you know that it is not really from a divine source, ending age long arguments for and against the existence of God. instead you have cut to the chase and proved by your feelings that it is not true and therefore an abomination. And to think so many other people missed this truth...well done you must be a proud girl.

1. Sharia is an abomination because its morality is based on bronze age horse shit. Thinking mammals that we are we have thankfully moved along since then.

2. Lets for a moment entertain the idea that Sharia in fact derived from a divine source. That would automatically make it immoral because true morality cannot be derived from an outside source. Especially not if this outside source happens to be god that effectively acts as a superego (superego demands are always in the realm of the impossible anyway hence the feeling of guilt a lot of religionist feel; they can simply never attain an unattainable ideal). To understand this is to be self-aware and entirely responsible for the choices we make: we never make them because we will get a "naughty tick" or a "nice tick" from an external observer.

In other words:

1. Doing good because of Jannah. Motivation: reward; this is immoral
2. Doing good because of Jahannam. Motivation: fear; this is immoral too

3. Doing good for the sake of it. Motivation: because it is the right thing to do; this is the only true moral stance

The only way to show true respect for God (and hence be truly moral) is to act morally while ignoring god's existence.

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Reply #239 - March 27, 2011, 08:47 PM

Quote from: billy on March 27, 2011, 08:43 PM
I'm a fella, lightrays

Now listen. Please answer without sounding aggrieved. If some tribes from the Amazon rainforest walked into our society and insisted that their divinely sourced laws, using their jungle gods as their ultimate authority, which were fundamentally misogynistic, capricious, oppressive, bigoted, although they contained differing views on certain rulings, which were nevertheless all divine sourced from these Jungle Gods, would you say that they were to be respected, when we have a society founded on the principles of universal rights, secular democracy, free conscience, freedom of speech, the primacy of the individual over the communal, EQUALITY of women, etc etc etc, and that this Jungle Gods law must be accorded the legitimacy of our sophisticated laws and customs, founded in common law, universal sufferage, secularism but most importantly, never perfected, but always being amended by the people for the people............would you accept that Jungle Gods law, or would you consider their claims ridiculous, preposterous, silly, laughable, comical, but when you realise they are actually being serious, that in practice, their Jungle Gods law is an abomination?

Well, there you go then. That's what sharia is.

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