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  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #30 - April 10, 2011, 11:27 AM

    What you are really saying is that modern transport was essentially 'founded' by that girl/guy in (probably) Mesopotamia who invented the wheel.

    Very well put
  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #31 - April 10, 2011, 12:03 PM

    Islamic science rofl

    Allah is the only miracle you need. Why use Science to assert your position? Oh let me guess, it's cause nobody can prove the positive existence of Allah so you have to fall back on Islamic Science (a term that always makes me chuckle).

    The only Islamic Science is the exorcise of jinns and Fiqh.
  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #32 - April 10, 2011, 12:27 PM

    If anything "Western science" is really just an expansion of medieval Islamic science.


    Medieval Islamic science is really just an expansion of what the Greeks, Persians, Indians and Chinese knew  Smiley

  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #33 - April 10, 2011, 12:39 PM

    It doesn't matter. Muslims have contributed to science, but that's because they are people... Christians have contributed to science, so have Jews, so have Hindus, so have atheists.
  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #34 - April 10, 2011, 12:40 PM

    I havent read any of Dr.Bucaille's books, but I will not deny that the Qur'an does have some little miracles when it comes to the natural world, but that's not the main miracle. Probably the best thing about the Qur'an is it's linguistic miracle.


    How is it a linguistic miracle and how do we verify that?
  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #35 - April 10, 2011, 12:42 PM

     Afro

    Exactly. No-one says "Jewish inventions" or "Atheist inventions" so all this "Islamic inventions" is stupid.  yes
  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #36 - April 10, 2011, 12:45 PM

    I havent read any of Dr.Bucaille's books, but I will not deny that the Qur'an does have some little miracles when it comes to the natural world, but that's not the main miracle. Probably the best thing about the Qur'an is it's linguistic miracle.


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  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #37 - April 10, 2011, 12:50 PM

    If anything "Western science" is really just an expansion of medieval Islamic science. Explain the following phenomena:

    Chemistry: Founded by Jābir ibn Hayyān


    Err, chemistry is much much older than that.

    Quote
    Algebra and algorithms: Founded by Al-Khawrizimi


    So is algebra.

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    Anthropology, Geology and Indology: Founded by Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī


    Just because another Muslim affectionately referred to Biruni as 'the first anthropologist' doesn't actually make it true...

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    Medicine: Founded by Ibn Sina


    This is a joke right?

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    Social sciences such as demography,cultural history, historiography, philosophy of history, sociology and economics: Founded by Ibn Khaldun


    Now you're just trolling...

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    Historical geography:  Founded by Al-Masudi
    Environmental Science (!): Founded by Al-Masudi
    Psychiatry, Clinical psychiatry and Clinical psychology: Founded by Ali ibn Sahl Rabban al-Tabari,
    Mental health, Medical psychology, Cognitive psychology, Cognitive therapy, Psychophysiology and Psychosomatic medicine: Founded by Ahmed ibn Sahl al-Balkhi
    Mental disorder classification: founded by Najab ud-din Muhammad,
    Social psychology and consciousness studies: founded by Al-Farabi
    Neuroanatomy, neurobiology and neurophysiology: founded by Ali ibn Abbas al-Majusi
    Neurosurgery: founded by Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi
    experimental psychology, psychophysics, phenomenology and visual perception: founded by Ibn al-Haytham
    physiological psychology, neuropsychiatry, thought experiment, self-awareness and self-consciousness: founded by Ibn Sina
    Parkinson's disease: founded by Averroes
    tabula rasa and nature versus nurture: founded by Ibn Tufail
    neuroinflammation and neurogenesis: founded by Mir Sajad
    pharmacy and pharmacopoeia: founded by Shapur ibn Sahl
    Pharmacology: Founded by Al-Kindi
    obstetrics and perinatology: Founded by Ali ibn Abbas Al-Majusi
    dental restoration: Abu Gaafar Amed ibn Ibrahim ibn abi Halid al-Gazzar
    modern surgery: founded by  Abu Qasim Al-Zawahiri
    eye surgery, visual system and visual perception: founded by Ibn Al-Haytham
    experimental surgery: founded by Ibn Zuhr
    circulatory physiology, circulatory anatomy, and Nafisian anatomy, physiology, pulsology and sphygmology: Founded by Ibn Al-Nafis
    embryology: founded by Ibn Al-Quff
    bacteriology and microbiology: founded by Ibn Khatima
    fibromyalgia: founded by Muhammad B Yunus
    optics, scientific method and experimental physics:founded by Ibn Al-Haytham (considered first real scientist)
    experimental mechanics: founded by Abu Rayyhan Al-Biruni
    robotics and modern engineering: founded by Al-Jazairi



    Ah fuck it, I can't be bothered to go through any more of this... it's not even worth dignifying with a response.
  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #38 - April 10, 2011, 12:50 PM

    Did I just see 'embryology' in there?  Cheesy
  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #39 - April 10, 2011, 01:57 PM

    I think some of the points some us are trying to make is. Based on the person's facebook claim, why is it kuffars and Western societies exceed in all these areas (TODAY) while Allah has forsaken a majority of Muslim countries. I like to base my opinions on observation on what's going on in the world today as God has it now, not what said and done thousands of years ago. Theoritically if that person's claim is true Muslim countries should be flourishing under all this inspiration from the Qu'ran but they are not. Instead most rely on technologies and knowledge from Kuffars ( example millioms of Muslims using the internet, facebook, twitter without realizing who ultimately created it) normal people invent all those things without even looking at a Qu'ran or knowing who Allah is.

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  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #40 - April 10, 2011, 07:04 PM

    Out of interest, is the quote for the expanding universe ('it is we who are steadily expanding it'), an accurate translation of what is in the quran?

    I thought that when I read it.   If this is the verse they are referring to, then the answer is no. 

    Quran 51:47-49 ‘We are the ones who make it vast’

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  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #41 - April 10, 2011, 07:18 PM

    Cheeky muslims... you'd think, just by sheer coincidence, there'd be something in the qu'ran for them to use in an article like this, without having to resort to changing the  sacred word of Allah.

    Hi
  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #42 - April 10, 2011, 07:35 PM

    The translation there is the pickthall translation, the other 3 main universally recognised translators (by muslims) dont differ that greatly.

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  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #43 - April 10, 2011, 08:09 PM

    -THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE

    And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it.
    (Qur'an, 51:47)

    Until the dawn of the 20th century, the only view prevailing in the world of science was that "the universe has a constant nature and it has existed since infinite time." However, modern research, observations, and calculations carried out by means of modern technology have revealed that the universe in fact had a beginning and that it constantly "expands."
    At the beginning of the 20th century, the Russian physicist Alexander Friedmann and the Belgian cosmologist Georges Lemaitre theoretically calculated that the universe is in constant motion and that it is expanding.
    This notion was confirmed by the use of observational data in 1929. While observing the sky with a telescope, Edwin Hubble, the American astronomer, discovered that the stars and galaxies were constantly moving away from each other. This discovery is regarded as one of the greatest in the history of astronomy.

    This is self-refuting.

    Putting aside the incorrect translations and ambiguity of the verses often quoted, retrospective attribution of modern discoveries to an ancient text does not work. Especially an ancient text who’s authorship is in question.

    In the very first line, it says “Until the dawn of the 20th century, the only view prevailing in the world of science was that the universe has a constant nature and it has existed since infinite time." This includes the Muslim view. If Muslim scholars have been sitting on these amazing discoveries and hiding them away from the world, waiting for them to be discovered by other means before they seize credit, then they should have at least mentioned it amongst themselves previous to the actual discovery by other means.

    Why has it taken so long for this particular measure of divine knowledge to be brought forth into the mainstream consciousness? Why wasn’t it an Islamic scholar who challenged the prevailing worldview, and why was it instead the collective conclusion of alternative ideas, unrelated to Islam or the Qur’an?

    The simple fact is that these discoveries would have happened, and did happen, despite anything written in the Qur’an. They would have happened regardless if the Qur’an had even existed. The Qur’an has had no influence, at all, in the progress made in these sciences. What use is a few vague words in an ancient text? How much credit do you think these words actually grant you? How big a slice of the science cake do you think you can take while waving these spurious, convoluted, contrived demands for recognition?

    Furthermore, these scientists and their consensus also discredit many of the other unsupported claims of Islam and its scripture. If you accept these scientific models of understanding, then either science supports your worldview consistently, or your worldview is flawed. You can’t have it both ways.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #44 - April 10, 2011, 10:29 PM

    medieval Islamic science. Explain the following phenomena:

    Chemistry:   Algebra and algorithmsAnthropology, Geology and IndologyMedicine: Social sciences such as demography,cultural history, historiography, philosophy of history, sociology and economics Historical geography: Environmental Science (!):Psychiatry, Clinical psychiatry and Clinical psychology:[/b Mental health, Medical psychology, Cognitive psychology, Cognitive therapy, Psychophysiology and Psychosomatic medicine: Mental disorder classification: Social psychology and consciousness studies: Neuroanatomy, neurobiology and neurophysiology: Neurosurgery:experimental psychology, psychophysics, phenomenology and visual perception: physiological psychology, neuropsychiatry, thought experiment, self-awareness and self-consciousness: Parkinson's disease:tabula rasa and nature versus nurture:  neuroinflammation and neurogenesis:
    pharmacy and pharmacopoeia: Pharmacology:obstetrics and perinatology: dental restoration:  modern surgery:
    eye surgery, visual system and visual perception:
    experimental surgery: circulatory physiology, circulatory anatomy, and Nafisian anatomy, physiology, pulsology and sphygmology:
    embryology: bacteriology and microbiology: fibromyalgiaoptics, scientific method and experimental physics:experimental mechanics: [/brobotics and modern engineering:


    well everything is answered..

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  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #45 - April 10, 2011, 10:52 PM

    Islam is like communism: Both ideologies claim to create utopia, both are totalitarian, both are against USA.
    The fact that one is godless doesn't make it any better.


    Communism is a lot better. A lot.

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #46 - April 10, 2011, 10:57 PM

    Communism is a lot better. A lot.

    Indeed it is LOT BETTER alex., The secret is Prophet Muhammad was the first communist leader of this planet.,  Here is the good forum for many  infidel folks of cemb

     http://sisters.islamway.com/forum

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  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #47 - April 10, 2011, 11:11 PM

    No he wasn't.

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #48 - April 10, 2011, 11:13 PM

    Oh boy, Ghuraaba is ripe with it  Afro

     Go Criss!

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  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #49 - April 10, 2011, 11:15 PM

    I'm assuming he didn't actually read what he posted and just copied it from somewhere... it's pretty shocking. Common sense, or failing that - a quick google, shows they're all pretty much bullshit.
  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #50 - April 10, 2011, 11:15 PM

    Do you happen to know that his work is not entirely original but is among other things based on Greek, neo-Babylonian and Indian sources?

    One of his most important book is titled "On the Calculation with Hindu Numerals".

    Guess what, humans as reasoning mammals have a capability of incorporating and building upon experience of others.

    What you are really saying is that modern transport was essentially 'founded' by that girl/guy in (probably) Mesopotamia who invented the wheel.


    Guraaba, please address this point that Kenan makes.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #51 - April 10, 2011, 11:18 PM

    No he wasn't.

    You need to read the murder  of  Nicholas II  and his four kids Alex', Prophet Muhammad was MUCH kinder person than the many communist leaders . His problem was sex., I think there are two Muhammad characters  In Islamic Muhammad.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHsq9Od8bsU

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  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #52 - April 10, 2011, 11:25 PM

    This is self-refuting.

    Putting aside the incorrect translations and ambiguity of the verses often quoted, retrospective attribution of modern discoveries to an ancient text does not work. Especially an ancient text who’s authorship is in question.

    In the very first line, it says “Until the dawn of the 20th century, the only view prevailing in the world of science was that the universe has a constant nature and it has existed since infinite time." This includes the Muslim view.


    I don't know if it does include the muslim view. Surely the muslim view was that the universe was created a certain amount of time ago...

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #53 - April 10, 2011, 11:35 PM

    What's the difference between a universe that began at the beginning of time and a universe that existed forever?
  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #54 - April 10, 2011, 11:36 PM

    You need to read the murder  of  Nicholas II  and his four kids Alex', Prophet Muhammad was MUCH kinder person than the many communist leaders . His problem was sex., I think there are two Muhammad characters  In Islamic Muhammad.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHsq9Od8bsU


    Neither cruelty nor sex makes one a communist. I won't gang rape you though. Love.

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  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #55 - April 10, 2011, 11:38 PM

    What's the difference between a universe that began at the beginning of time and a universe that existed forever?


    Second one has no beginning?

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #56 - April 10, 2011, 11:40 PM

    But if it 'began' at time=0, there was never a time it didn't exist, so does it actually have a beginning, or could you not just say it always existed? How do you differentiate it from one that supposedly always existed?
  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #57 - April 10, 2011, 11:44 PM

    Eh it doesn't matter anyway. I don't trust logical arguments when it comes to explaining something like the origin of the universe. Tongue
  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #58 - April 10, 2011, 11:46 PM

    What's the difference between a universe that began at the beginning of time and a universe that existed forever?


    I think (and I may be wrong), following the Kalam argument, that no muslim intellectuals ever thought that the universe was infinite in terms of time...

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    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: IF Islam is false, why does Islam explain
     Reply #59 - April 10, 2011, 11:51 PM

    Eh it doesn't matter anyway. I don't trust logical arguments when it comes to explaining something like the origin of the universe. Tongue

    lol

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