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 Topic: To be (an atheist) or not to be?

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  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #30 - April 28, 2011, 10:32 AM

    Prince Spinoza or what? HUH?

    Zaiba WOOT you go to UCL too Smiley Thanksss. Where are you from and what year are you in? Woahhh I'm sorry to hear that, hopefully it will get better. What is your relationship with your family like now? When and how did you tell them?

    Sakura02 Thank youuu. EXACTLY, why do they assume that you only get your morals from religion? All you need is common sense and the fact that they assume that you can't be a moral individual unless you have something to fear disgusts me. If that's the only reason for morality then they should be seriously questioning their motives lol. It's funny how especially in Islam, because Muslims follow what the Qur'an says literally, the slightest change in the interpretation of a verse can change the way you act and your view on what is right or wrong lololol. Fucking sad.

    zooby Thanks! hahaha yuppp. Where are you from? What course are you doing and what year are you in? 'Bitch I'm Goku' that made me LOL.  KAMEHAMEHAAAAA. You and Zaiba should come to thiss http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=124956867580510
    hahah no it doesn't mean anything I just made that shit up on the spot and decided to go with it because it sounded futuristic and cool. DON'T JUDGE ME K

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  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #31 - April 28, 2011, 11:49 AM

    hahahha  Prophet Muhammad's flying unicorn would totally come in handy wouldn't it?



    now learning to summon the buraq would be the shit
  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #32 - April 28, 2011, 12:11 PM

    and being able to split the moon would be the <insert scatological reference here>

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  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #33 - April 28, 2011, 12:26 PM

    i'm not sure moon-splittin' abilities would be that useful unless you're on a date with somebody and the conversation goes dry
  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #34 - April 28, 2011, 12:29 PM

     Smiley

    Hi
  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #35 - April 28, 2011, 12:42 PM

    No, it's very useful if you're Jacob and you want to stop being a werewolf in order to fuck Bella when the moon is full. lolol I haven't watched any of the movies so I don't actually know if he can transform into a werewolf whenever he wants. And why do I seem to think that Bella is epileptic? fuck the twilight saga.

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  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #36 - April 28, 2011, 01:06 PM

    zooby Thanks! hahaha yuppp. Where are you from? What course are you doing and what year are you in? 'Bitch I'm Goku' that made me LOL.  KAMEHAMEHAAAAA. You and Zaiba should come to thiss http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=124956867580510
    hahah no it doesn't mean anything I just made that shit up on the spot and decided to go with it because it sounded futuristic and cool. DON'T JUDGE ME K

    Hm, I'm tempted, just for the curiosity of why someone would think the concept of a soul is real let alone discuss if it could arise from evolution. I'm a Londoner which makes me cool by default  cool2 1st year here too, comp sci. Lol @ reason for name choice. Definitely sounds futuristic, like a robot from star wars or some shit.  Smiley
  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #37 - April 28, 2011, 01:22 PM

    Zooby you from London too? wow us 19'ers need to get together!  whistling2

    xxrb43 i'm from London by default and yes i am automatically cooler than zooby Tongue i'm in my first year too! oh and erm well, i've discussed my fucked up life story a million times here, no offence of course, errm if you don't mind just checking out my threads, it'll give you a better view of my stupid story Smiley

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=14815.0
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=15035.0

    other shit i've written about (if you're interest of course! no pressure grin12)

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=14667.0
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=14654.0
  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #38 - April 28, 2011, 05:50 PM

    Prince Spinoza or what? HUH?


    It starts. -_-
  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #39 - April 28, 2011, 05:56 PM

    awww hugs Prince No one loves you man, i feel for you!  Kiss
  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #40 - April 28, 2011, 06:47 PM

    zooby Yeah, I'm hoping it's just a metaphor for life.
    ooo computer sciences that's sooo cool.

    Zaiba hahah woahh zooby are you gonna let her get away with that?
    ohhh lolol sorry I hadn't realised you've already written that much about it. MOTHER OF PEARL your story is almost identical to mine. I enjoyed reading the last 2 you linked and the 'Can my life ever be mine' post is a perfect description of how I feel right now.

    Prince Spinoza  Suck it up Tongue

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  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #41 - April 28, 2011, 07:06 PM

    you probably mentioned this already, but do you still have to wear a hijab and pretend to pray often? Or only on a few occasions?

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #42 - April 29, 2011, 12:56 AM

    richard feynman was one of the best physicist that ever lived Smiley

    I read first few pharagraphs of your story , I'll read the rest of it later. Also i am happy to see another person of my age who is intrested in science Grin I also love scince and to be exact Astro-physics . I used to watch anime haven't watched anything in ages T_T.

    Anyhow wlcome to the site b43. Here is another parrot for you Tongue parrot

    btw before i forget hwere are you from ? *didn't read the whole story* dun kill me ;_;




    The sky calls to us. If we do not destroy ourselves, we will one day venture to the stars. [Carl Sagan]

    Lost somewhere between immensity and eternity is our tiny planetary home. [carl sagan]
  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #43 - April 29, 2011, 05:40 AM

    Great Story(although i didnt read the whole of it but im going to bookmarked and read it later on the road).

    Its Great to have a hip-hop fan here, me too(my avatar reveals that :p) im not a fan of a mainstream hip-hop apart from B.O.B, but im more into classic and underground.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #44 - April 29, 2011, 03:29 PM

    Thank you for this splendid post. You are a very bright and courageous person.

    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #45 - April 29, 2011, 03:46 PM

    but im more into classic and underground.

    Here's your girl.

  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #46 - April 29, 2011, 03:50 PM

    Good hip hop:
    Immortal Technique
    The Roots
    Mos Def
    Public Enemy

    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #47 - April 29, 2011, 08:33 PM

    zooby Yeah, I'm hoping it's just a metaphor for life.
    ooo computer sciences that's sooo cool.

    Zaiba hahah woahh zooby are you gonna let her get away with that?
    ohhh lolol sorry I hadn't realised you've already written that much about it. MOTHER OF PEARL your story is almost identical to mine. I enjoyed reading the last 2 you linked and the 'Can my life ever be mine' post is a perfect description of how I feel right now.

    Prince Spinoza  Suck it up Tongue

    Yeah probably. Dw people always dream of being cooler than me Grin
  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #48 - April 30, 2011, 06:55 AM

    Here's your girl.

    (Clicky for piccy!)


    Roxanne Shante, Nice (y)

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #49 - April 30, 2011, 08:42 AM

    The word 'sassy' could have been invented for her.
  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #50 - April 30, 2011, 12:31 PM

     signwelcome xxrb43 Smiley

    i read your introduction - great read Smiley you've been through a lot and I hope that you manage to find a way to sort it all out for the benefit of yourself and your brothers.

    it really doesn't cease to amaze me how your own mother could say:

    Quote
    She also said that if I were to seriously decide to become an atheist, that she would have to do by Islam and only treat me like a friend and not a daughter (I don't really think that Islam says that. It says I should be killed for this but I can see why she said that). She said that if I announced this openly she will not stop people from killing me and that she will not let me near my brothers for fear of 'losing another one of her children' and that she will stop me herself if I was to think about such a thing. And loads of other hurtful things that I predicted and was afraid would happen.


    It's difficult for me to grasp how far religious thinking goes... to the extent that people who are the closest to you seem to think that they need to dislike you for the sake of Allah or something along those lines. Scary!

    thank you for sharing your story  and good luck with everything far away hug

    I think a lot of us were brought here by google. Verily google guides whom it wills!

  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #51 - April 30, 2011, 02:52 PM

    Hi!
    Just finished your post! I think you have made a dangerous decision to admit your mum you're an atheist!
  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #52 - May 01, 2011, 07:01 PM

    Welcome to the forum, xxrb43. hugs

    Great story.  You've articulated your thoughts superbly. Afro

    This line made me LOL:
    "I hated when we had to go to the mosque which was the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion I have ever seen."

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #53 - May 01, 2011, 08:11 PM

    Booyakasha
    I have been reading the threads on this forum for a quite a while under another username and I finally want to share my story. This is gonna be long so brace yourselves. I just want to let it all out here, if that's okay. I don't actually know what I want to achieve from this or what I want from people who read this. I don't know if I want advice because it's kind of obvious that I should just suck it up and stop being a little bitch and just wait till I'm independent and can support myself or if I'm just an attention whore and want people to talk to about this or if I'm hoping someone out there is a genius and can come up with a totally different solution to save me (or if I just want a parrot). Okay enough of me being an emo fuck.

    She said that during the summer holiday she will take me to imams and scholars to try to convince me and help me find the 'truth' and if that doesn't work then I will have to join a proper Madrassa and find out the 'truth'.

    Yeah. To do anything at this point would risk your physical freedom.

    Rabidly religious parents aren't easily quelled.

    And they sure as Hell won't take you seriously, or respect your change in beliefs — at all.

    The more you persist, the more unpredictable they can become.

    The appropriate time to confront them, and the ONLY time to confront them, is when you're the one arguing from a position of strength.


    The picture slowly started becoming clearer.

    I stopped protecting Allah with my excuses and nonsensical justifications and just took what the Qur'an and teachings said word for word without any presumptions. I stopped being biased. The more I thought about it the more obvious it became that Islam was a man-made religion and that it was only a stepping stone, an attempt to explain the unknown. I talked to many people and went to debates/talks etc and all I was provided with were ridiculous semantic, circular and ontological arguments, arguments from ignorance and abstract philosophy that were hilariously pathetic. I bought many many books to help me better understand science (particularly evolution and certain aspects of cosmology) and I was able to delve even more into biology in my course. I also researched the greeks and the discoveries that were copy pasted into the Qur'an as it's own divine revelations, most of which where wrong anyway. I found a lot of similarities between the Abrahamic religions and babylonian mythology and it's easy to see how those religions evolved from their babylonian roots.

    To be completely honest I did not research Islam as much as I had originally planned to. I only explored the idea of the existence of God in depth, regardless of the religion that claimed it.

    Once you re-think what we know as spiritual knowledge, the fundamental basis for any dogma, Islam doesn't seem like the monster you once thought, and you're able to see how insignificant Islam really is.

    Isn't it wonderful?

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #54 - May 02, 2011, 02:54 PM

    Sakura02 Well I still have to wear the hijab but I only pray when I'm around my family or other muslims. LOL hypocrite much?

    Shattered Thanks! Yup he's amazing and incredibly funny. Haha I can tell from the Carl Sagan quotes Wink

    Naija Infidel lololol I love your name. Yay Nas, glad to see some hip hop heads around here. Yeah me neither, there are only a few good ones and even then they don't always produce good content, although, in my opinion at least, I think Eminem is an exception. But yeah B.O.B is good and he's extremely talented as well.

    Al Ma'arri Thanks! I'm nothing compared to others on this forum lol. And yes that's some good hip hop. I can't believe Public Enemy let Bangs open the show for them in Melbourne though hahahahahha.

    Clarap Thank youuu. Yeah, they put their loyalty to this imaginary Allah before anything else. It really fucks with me the way they treat you like you're just an object that Allah is currently using to test their faith, instead of addressing the reality of the situation. It's like Christopher Hitchens said (I'm paraphrasing here), religion makes moral people do immoral things that they otherwise wouldn't do.

    Mikamehi Heyy. I realise that now but there's nothing I can do about it really. At least I know how better to approach my parents next time and what their reaction may be or how they would try to 'fix' things.

    ateapotist Thank youu!

    olweasel Thank you for the advice. Now that I look back on it, I can't believe I actually missed all those points or chose to ignore them and just told my mum everything in one go. Yes, I like the way you put it. Smiley

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  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #55 - May 09, 2011, 06:54 PM

     parrot parrot

    I  also studied genetics  grin12

    And  I  love how you wrote:Pearlist yes

    Isn't it funny how cats can understand people without ever reading a single psychology book?
  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #56 - May 09, 2011, 08:05 PM

    Aha welcome! I'm not an ex-muslim, but hey, i had my qualms about religion. Man it sucked. I wonder where the 72 virgins came from? I've heard 72, I've heard unlimited, ahhh what to believe? Well welcome again.

    I don't have a lot of time anymore for posting :c
    if the admins see this, can you please delete me account? I can't post anymore, and deleting my account would help me greatly!
    thank you all for your time
  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #57 - May 09, 2011, 08:58 PM

    M_S  grin12
    oh really coool and what did you do with your degree after that?

    QueenofShrooms Heyyy hahaha I know right. I've even heard that it's 40 virgins. And where exactly does that leave women? lolol I think muslim men would find that their heaven exists right here on earth if they paid a little visit to a strip club or brothel at least once in their pathetic lives.

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  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #58 - May 09, 2011, 09:28 PM

    Hah, all that hormone control and cover-up-yo-women must make some obscenely horny.  Phwoar

    I don't have a lot of time anymore for posting :c
    if the admins see this, can you please delete me account? I can't post anymore, and deleting my account would help me greatly!
    thank you all for your time
  • Re: To be (an atheist) or not to be?
     Reply #59 - May 09, 2011, 09:47 PM

    hahah yeah
    I just really don't get why women should give a shit about the feelings of their precious little erections -.-
    Prophet Muhammad must've been a man full of insecurities to have come up with this shit.

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