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  • Question: Which one (if any) are you more inclined to side with? (Give reasons)
  • Israel - 50 (30.5%)
  • Palestine - 114 (69.5%)
  • Total Voters: 163

 Topic: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?

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  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #390 - September 14, 2011, 03:35 PM

    Well if she admits that Muhammad was a rapist who liked to fuck women in mourning and 9 year old girls then I'll reconsider.

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #391 - September 14, 2011, 03:38 PM

    Yep I do. Total poser, trying to fit in. Why would an ex-muslim be so hesitant to condemn Mo's obvious crimes? Especially a female one.


    Well, she's not.

    She still feels somewhat culturally Muslim I think, and doesn't detest Islam like some of the people here (and has a knee-jerk cultural defense of it at times), but I think it's beyond question that she does not believe Islam is true. It's simply that for most apostates here, rejection of Islam is personal, cultural, and intellectual (basically the whole package, which makes sense as Islam presents itself as a "whole package" for every aspect of life), whereas for her it's solely intellectual.

    Of all the common ad-hominems thrown around at this forum I find the whole "closet Muslim" one to be one of worst, as it's simply a mechanism to stifle dissenting opinions. No doubt your belief is genuine and not intended as a cynical method of discrediting her opinions, but it also stems from the fact you can't comprehend why another apostate could hold such opinions as hers. It doesn't just happen here, mind you, I've seen this in all kinds of other forums (on pro-Democratic Party sites anyone who strays from the Party line on this or that issue is suspected of being a Republican troll, on gun owner sites anyone who disagrees with the social conservatives is considered a closet gun-grabber, etc).

    fuck you
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #392 - September 14, 2011, 03:49 PM

    but it also stems from the fact you can't comprehend why another apostate could hold such opinions as hers.


    That's where your dead wrong. I can totally emphathize with her because I was exacty like her in many ways. A 'cultural' muslim, still trying to cling on to that identity, still defensive about Muhammad and Islamic causes. I was like this right uptil 2 or so years ago even. I totally get where she's coming from. But that's why I can't be nice, because I know it's a attitude rooted in a desperate attempt to cling onto Islam.. even if it's subconcious. It's a hard process, but it's important people tell her that she's holding vestigial muslamic opinion - why beat around the bush?

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #393 - September 14, 2011, 04:01 PM

    Yeah, but that's not what you're telling her. You're telling her you think she's a Muslim posing as an apostate. Debate her on her opinions, no doubt, but debating her on her identity is arrogant and insulting and unnecessary. Challenge her ideas by all means, but calling her a poser and a Muslim (and a guy on top of it) is bullshit. She's NOT you, and just because you feel like she needs a complete break with Islam and all its cultural baggage like you went through does not give you the right to attempt to ridicule and insult her into it. As far as your supposed "empathy" for her, you got a funny fuckin way of showing it. Let her go at her own damn pace and if you want to help her go quicker I'd suggest ad-hominem attacks aren't the way to do it, but maybe she'll never break from the cultural aspects 100%-- so what? As long as she's happy with her own life and doesn't try to force the shit on anyone else, why is it your business?




    fuck you
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #394 - September 14, 2011, 04:08 PM

    Debate her but debating her on her identity is arrogant and insulting and unnecessary.


    So wut

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    just because you feel like she needs a complete break with Islam and all its cultural baggage like you went through does not give you the right to attempt to ridicule and insult her into it.

     

    Awww, but its soooo fuuuuun.

    Quote
    As far as your supposed "empathy" for her, you got a funny fuckin way of showing it. Let her go at her own damn pace and if you want to help her go quicker I'd suggest ad-hominem attacks aren't the way to do it,

     

    True. But I am a fucking asshole.

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    but maybe she'll never break from the cultural aspects 100%-- so what? As long as she's happy with her own life and doesn't try to force the shit on anyone else, why is it your business?


    But my happiness comes first. And what if my happiness is based on launching vicious and rude personal attacks on fence-sitting ex-muslims? Aha, now you're stumped.


    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #395 - September 14, 2011, 04:14 PM

    Yeah, well, she seems like a genuinely nice person to me, so I'd rather not see her attacked, especially by someone who is not a complete douche.

    As for her being a "fence sitter", I think your subjective definition of what that constitutes is much, much less important than whether she agrees with the core mission of the forum (religious freedom for apostates) and the CEMB's manifesto, and as far as I can tell she does. How she interprets this or that hadith or her opinions on this or that conflict in which Muslims are involved or her opinion on the general character of Muhammad don't mean shit to me if she generally supports secular society, freedom of conscience, and the safety and rights of apostates and questioning or unorthodox Muslims, and it's clear to me she does.

    fuck you
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #396 - September 14, 2011, 04:53 PM

    Ok ok okaaaaay. You're right. I know you are. I just get pissed off when people beat around the bush about Muhammad's criminal behaviour. The "closet muslim" stuff is wrong, I think that's obvious. I'm just an ass. Sorry Aphrodite.

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #397 - September 14, 2011, 05:02 PM

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    So whatever Muhammed did the Palestinians must pay for it? Why not other Muslims too?

    What difference does it make?  Two wrongs don't make a right,
    If Mo unfairly killed Jews in Madina/Saudi, does this justify Israel killing Palestinians in palestine (not Saudi)and robbing their land?
    By this logic Hitler killing jews in Germany should justify Israel killing Germans?


    Fara7 You are not looking in to the recent history of Palestine/Israel problem after Israel was established as a country..

    and you seem not to understand that after Mindless nut case Hitler killed himself and Germany was sent in to middle ages in the end of the 2nd world war., "If Germans behaved same way as Nazis behaved in 50s, 60s 70s and after,  Israelis and others would have placed all those Germans who act like Nazi Germany where the belong."  

    watch these tubes from this thread itself..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NrZXp0_UNE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s93mivcda3Y

    who do you think he was? do you know what he is saying., So Yes Prophet of Islam is STILL THE DRIVING FORCE of political Islam in Palestine and across all   Muslims lands where Muslims are in majority. So Palestinians are paying for that Political Islam that started from Prophet of Islam and continues through out Palestinian  religious and Political... leadership ..

    The only solution not only here but across many conflicts with-in Islam and Muslims Vs Others is .. I said before., Let me put that here again
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    1). Remove Verses from Quran
    2). Remove words from Hadith
    3),-. Remove silly stupid stores from Sunnah
    4). Clean the Character of Prophet of Islam..
    5). Shut the fuck all weirdo bearded baboons
    6). Leave Islam in home and political Islam out of governing a nation..
    7), And No one can question FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION however bad words people may use against Islam or other religions.. prophets/books whatever..

    That will solve 99% of problems with Islam. Off course some of those points are negotiable..



    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #398 - September 14, 2011, 05:04 PM

    Ok ok okaaaaay. You're right. I know you are. I just get pissed off when people beat around the bush about Muhammad's criminal behaviour. The "closet muslim" stuff is wrong, I think that's obvious. I'm just an ass. Sorry Aphrodite.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sONfxPCTU0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWCjfXdZERw&feature=fvst

    fuck you
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #399 - September 14, 2011, 05:06 PM

    Cheesy

    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #400 - September 14, 2011, 05:12 PM


    Enjoy   Colonel Q-Daffi

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzlFPm7bymY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYybBnXmsY8

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdWV02Szb5k

    And those tubes are from 2009-2010

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #401 - September 14, 2011, 09:00 PM

    Steal their land? Not that I know of.

    Ahem. The area that is now Israel/Palestine only became Muslim because of military conquest. It would be rather odd to think that there was no theft of land.

    Of course, this is a separate matter to current Israeli actions in the area.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #402 - September 14, 2011, 09:38 PM

    The fact that Yasser Arafat evokes religion in speeches should also take into account the dates. One YouTube link by YZD is dated 1994, the other would be about the same, now I am guessing that this was a reaction to the growing success of Hamas, who had been founded five years previous. Again I state that the creation ( with tacit support of Israel) of Hamas caused the islamification of the Palestinian struggle. Another play by the Israelis.

    I would be surprised if his earlier speeches 60 - 70's contained such references. And I now lol forgotten what exactly was said in the YouTube Links, but I'm guessing it wasn't the fire and brimstone, Jews are apes etc.

    He had to counter the weight that had been given to Hamas by the Israelis.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #403 - September 14, 2011, 10:03 PM

    Ahem. The area that is now Israel/Palestine only became Muslim because of military conquest. It would be rather odd to think that there was no theft of land.

    Of course, this is a separate matter to current Israeli actions in the area.


    But people have short memories you know! Tongue

    They are unlucky that what they are doing is happening in the 21st century,what with universal declaration of Human rights protecting everyone's rights in the world.
    Yes! two wrongs do not make a right,for everyone except those who unashamedly champion the medieval philosophy of "eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth'' and their apologists!



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #404 - September 14, 2011, 11:12 PM

    Again I state that the creation ( with tacit support of Israel) of Hamas caused the islamification of the Palestinian struggle. Another play by the Israelis.


    +1 My father always curses Arabs for being stupid and not realizing that as it happened.

    Goood.. whyme89.  Now   show me some tubes of Muhammad following Muslims speaking in support of Israel in the same way that juicy guy is  speaking.

    But let me give you this Population of Ottoman and Mandate Palestine Statistical and Demographic Considerations and prove you how superficial is your analysis and analysis in that article. The fact you put  out a juicy video  100s  juice support certain format of independence to Palestine speaks volumes about Jewish folks UNLIKE ISLAMIC BABOONS who roar in mosques..jihad..jihad kill juice ., Forget baboons.. even children are taught hate

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtt8V25lGmc

    and Islamic leaders around Israel shamelessly scream at Israelis at for the sake of staying in power in so-called Arab countries for 10s of years.  

    You talk superficial  on the subject of Israel/Palestine problem dear whyme89


    That post wasn't even an analysis. It's so obvious I wanted people to understand the point of view of someone who's living the whole thing and knows people who have suffered there as well. I don't need to make an intelligent post or list a bunch of articles to tell the truth and make people realize that what Israel is doing is simply oppression and injustice. My understanding of the issue is superficial ha? I think it's so superficial to generalize which you tend to do a lot. Blaming the whole thing on Islam and siding with a country that oppresses people because you hate Islam is not a very deep understanding of the issue either. Posting the same low-quality videos over and over and over from crappy Islamic TV channels of kids hating on Jews doesn't make your arguments look any stronger. By the way. That article you've posted. You made it look like you've made a shocking discovery or something. I don't get what you're trying to prove with it.

    Yes Islam says you can kill Jews bla bla, but so does Judaism. Both religions are shitty and their books contain the same hatred towards other religions. How many fucking times do I have to say that not all Muslims think the same way and not all Muslims want to kill Jews and not all Muslims follow the Quran word for word?

    Are you serious? You're comparing a university professor to a Muslim "baboon" at a mosque? Ok, I'll play along. There's a video I posted here before. It shows a Muslim professor who states clearly that rockets fired on Israel should be stopped. See? I can show you many Muslims who oppose firing rockets on civilians. Besides these Jews and Israelis support Palestinians because it's so obvious who the unfortunates are. What right should a Muslim support Israel for exactly? lol What more rights do you want Israel to have? And here's a response to your overused videos of Palestinians teaching their kids hatred. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wauC20dznCo&feature=related
     

    Ok. So I want to make this clear that I'm not insulting Jews. I'm just saying that their religion is as shitty as Islam is, and Israelis act according to it. NOT ALL JEWS TAKE THEIR BOOK'S SERIOUSLY THOUGH AS ANYONE WITH A COMMON SENSE SHOULD KNOW.

    1) Islam is the only religion that produces intolerant, savage, and uncivilized people? Hell even in that street a guy tells the reporter that not all Jews are like that(2nd video)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX9Tk2TMA6Q&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7mcmKjSg6Q

    2) Let's look at it from another perspective: "They've been choosing governments who ruined our lives from the day we were born(killing us, demolishing our houses, steeling lands, treating us like shit, making us live in fear all our lives). It's their fault. They got it to where it is now. Not us" "Don't you see it getting worse by firing rockets at them?" "No I think that's the only solution. I think they should just clear off all the settlements. Just take them off the ground" Sounds familiar? Why are Israelis being excused for feeling this way, but Palestinians are not? Everyone has the right to be a "little bit fascist"you know. Fucking bitch.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkCBK4-5tRI&feature=related


    3) Haha I love this video. "Does anyone want to change the bible? The statement of the Torah, the written Torah or the oral Torah?" Where did we hear something similar? I don't know ,maybe Muslim scholars saying that the Quran should be followed word by word even if it means non-Muslims should be killed?

    1:42 lol that guy was Jewish and was dragged out by force out of the place. I can't imagine what would happen if he wasn't a Jew. Doesn't look like freedom of speech to me, but we can't generalize based on a youtube video right?

    "Torah is a Torah of Peace" aaand Islam is the religion of peace?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhFvfW3Pai0&feature=related

    4) ALLAHU AKBAR the Jewish Version  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXkzxjZVqyY&feature=related

    5) Look who the Israeli leaders are hanging out with. That's one of Israel's most influential religious leaders. I checked the quotes and he did say the stuff found in this anti-Jewish video here. By the way, he blamed Hurricane Katrina on the "Godlessness" of New Orleans. Looks like there's no difference between their scholars and Muslim scholars after all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4xMHVSZLyU

    I might not post here again until I don't know when, unless I get depressed or something. I said what had to be said, and the videos I posted in this thread explain everything I wanted to say. My conscience is clear.

    Shalom
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #405 - September 14, 2011, 11:20 PM

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    5) Look who the Israeli leaders are hanging out with. That's one of Israel's most influential religious leaders. I checked the quotes and he did say the stuff found in this anti-Jewish video here. By the way, he blamed Hurricane Katrina on the "Godlessness" of New Orleans. Looks like there's no difference between their scholars and Muslim scholars after all.

     

    did you know that prior to Ben Franklin discovering lightning was merely electricity
    in the air, the majority of the USA and europe still believed lightning was the wrath of
    god?   Cheesy  it would NAWT suprise me if folks still believed this around the world.

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #406 - September 14, 2011, 11:34 PM

    Well he took her as a slave in a battle where her husband was killed, then was freed in exchange for becoming Mo's wife. I'd say that counts as rape, unless Saffiya was like Elvira, her husband like Frank Lopez and Mo like Tony Montana-- in which case it's still fucked up.



    Afaik she was going to be taken as a slave by one of his companions until a man suggested she "befits" Muhammed only so he married her, she may or may not have been raped, I don't know and don't really care.

    ummm.. doesnt a muslim woman have 3 + months to grieve the loss of her husband
    before humping someone else?  The first night she told mo she was on the rag.
    He took her the next night.  AND she got marched right past her burnt, beheaded
    husband and father.  What a night for romance, eh?



    Yes, 4 months, I don't know why he didn't wait the iddah period he probably didn't make up that law at that time or something, I don't know and don't really care.

    Well if she admits that Muhammad was a rapist who liked to fuck women in mourning and 9 year old girls then I'll reconsider.


    Ex-muslim: Someone who no longer believes in Muhammed as prophet, the Quran as a divine book and Allah.

    Idiot: Someone who accepts the narrative about a historical figure said by a nobody who talks a lot of shit.

    I'm the former, not the latter. And no need to apologise.
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #407 - September 15, 2011, 12:03 AM

    I've always thought the main claim the Jews have to israel is because God promised the land to the patriarch Abraham. Not really facts . At least that is what some jewish scholars tell us.


    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #408 - September 15, 2011, 03:14 AM

    +1 My father always curses Arabs for being stupid and not realizing that as it happened.

    That post wasn't even an analysis. It's so obvious I wanted people to understand the point of view of someone who's living the whole thing and knows people who have suffered there as well. I don't need to make an intelligent post or list a bunch of articles to tell the truth and make people realize that what Israel is doing is simply oppression and injustice. My understanding of the issue is superficial ha? I think it's so superficial to generalize which you tend to do a lot. Blaming the whole thing on Islam and siding with a country that oppresses people because you hate Islam is not a very deep understanding of the issue either. Posting the same low-quality videos over and over and over from crappy Islamic TV channels of kids hating on Jews doesn't make your arguments look any stronger. By the way. That article you've posted. You made it look like you've made a shocking discovery or something. I don't get what you're trying to prove with it.

    Yes Islam says you can kill Jews bla bla, but so does Judaism. Both religions are shitty and their books contain the same hatred towards other religions. How many fucking times do I have to say that not all Muslims think the same way and not all Muslims want to kill Jews and not all Muslims follow the Quran word for word?

    Are you serious? You're comparing a university professor to a Muslim "baboon" at a mosque? Ok, I'll play along. There's a video I posted here before. It shows a Muslim professor who states clearly that rockets fired on Israel should be stopped. See? I can show you many Muslims who oppose firing rockets on civilians. Besides these Jews and Israelis support Palestinians because it's so obvious who the unfortunates are. What right should a Muslim support Israel for exactly? lol What more rights do you want Israel to have? And here's a response to your overused videos of Palestinians teaching their kids hatred. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wauC20dznCo&feature=related
     

    Ok. So I want to make this clear that I'm not insulting Jews. I'm just saying that their religion is as shitty as Islam is, and Israelis act according to it. NOT ALL JEWS TAKE THEIR BOOK'S SERIOUSLY THOUGH AS ANYONE WITH A COMMON SENSE SHOULD KNOW.

    1) Islam is the only religion that produces intolerant, savage, and uncivilized people? Hell even in that street a guy tells the reporter that not all Jews are like that(2nd video)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX9Tk2TMA6Q&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7mcmKjSg6Q

    2) Let's look at it from another perspective: "They've been choosing governments who ruined our lives from the day we were born(killing us, demolishing our houses, steeling lands, treating us like shit, making us live in fear all our lives). It's their fault. They got it to where it is now. Not us" "Don't you see it getting worse by firing rockets at them?" "No I think that's the only solution. I think they should just clear off all the settlements. Just take them off the ground" Sounds familiar? Why are Israelis being excused for feeling this way, but Palestinians are not? Everyone has the right to be a "little bit fascist"you know. Fucking bitch.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkCBK4-5tRI&feature=related


    3) Haha I love this video. "Does anyone want to change the bible? The statement of the Torah, the written Torah or the oral Torah?" Where did we hear something similar? I don't know ,maybe Muslim scholars saying that the Quran should be followed word by word even if it means non-Muslims should be killed?

    1:42 lol that guy was Jewish and was dragged out by force out of the place. I can't imagine what would happen if he wasn't a Jew. Doesn't look like freedom of speech to me, but we can't generalize based on a youtube video right?

    "Torah is a Torah of Peace" aaand Islam is the religion of peace?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhFvfW3Pai0&feature=related

    4) ALLAHU AKBAR the Jewish Version  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXkzxjZVqyY&feature=related

    5) Look who the Israeli leaders are hanging out with. That's one of Israel's most influential religious leaders. I checked the quotes and he did say the stuff found in this anti-Jewish video here. By the way, he blamed Hurricane Katrina on the "Godlessness" of New Orleans. Looks like there's no difference between their scholars and Muslim scholars after all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4xMHVSZLyU

    I might not post here again until I don't know when, unless I get depressed or something. I said what had to be said, and the videos I posted in this thread explain everything I wanted to say. My conscience is clear.

    Shalom



     dance

    Thing is how Yeez and others like him view this-- a holy war, evil Muslims versus righteous Jews, is just the flipside of the Hamas/Islamist narrative. Only they're on the side of Goliath-- and how ironic is it that it's the Palestinians who are the modern-day Davids?

    I've always thought the main claim the Jews have to israel is because God promised the land to the patriarch Abraham. Not really facts . At least that is what some jewish scholars tell us.


    Revisionist and Religious Zionists make that claim. Secular Zionists do not, and they're a very big group, and always have been.

    fuck you
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #409 - September 15, 2011, 03:25 PM

    Ahem. The area that is now Israel/Palestine only became Muslim because of military conquest. It would be rather odd to think that there was no theft of land.

    Of course, this is a separate matter to current Israeli actions in the area.


    Ahem. She was talking about theft of Jewish land, not military conquests by muslims in which they took land off other empires.
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #410 - September 15, 2011, 03:31 PM

    You guys! You're such Angry Birds!

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #411 - September 15, 2011, 06:16 PM

    +1 My father always curses Arabs for being stupid and not realizing that as it happened.

    well your father is smart., Is he Arab?? Good  your father thinks that way., but tell him that he is wrong dear whyme89  It is NOT Arabs that is problem,  It is Islam in the brains of Arabs that is the problem. In fact you put Islam in to a Juice Brain He will be a problem,  Errrr Why Jew??? species is irrelevant,  put that Quran/Sunnah/Hadith in any brain from any culture  and wash its brain you will have a problem.  That is exactly what Islam did during Muhammad's time and after him with in 100 years of Islam.
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    That post wasn't even an analysis.

    I have NOT said that I have analyzed your post in detail. But Now I will in this thread. Unfortunately., it is Not that simple., You need to go down in to the history of Israel  at least to the starting  of the spread of British Imperialism if not to Muhammad's time.
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    It's so obvious I wanted people to understand the point of view of someone who's living the whole thing and knows people who have suffered there as well. I don't need to make an intelligent post or list a bunch of articles to tell the truth and make people realize that what Israel is doing is simply oppression and injustice.

    Off course you want people to understand your emotional attachment to the land of Palestine. Don't worry Land will not go any where. Once we make up our mind it doesn't matter what other side is  telling or how many  intelligent posts and how detailed analysis of history  is done on that problem,  You will always disagree dear whyme89, because you made up your mind and trying to use emotional outbursts to enlighten the folks on that Long standing Israeli/Palestine Problem will not solve the problem.
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    My understanding of the issue is superficial ha?

    Yes it is, it is terribly  superficial. the fact you write as if  "Islam has NO ROLE on that problems" speaks volumes about superficial emotional irrational response.
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    I think it's so superficial to generalize which you tend to do a lot.  Blaming the whole thing on Islam  and siding with a country that oppresses people because you hate Islam is not a very deep understanding of the issue either.

    No it  is not , Islam was and is the basic culprit on that problem.,  Remove Islam  I will solve the problem in a year if not in months. As far as oppression of innocent people is concerned, it is unfortunate they have no control on their lives. Thanks to Islam, Thanks to Islamic Mullahs and Thanks to Islamic leaders and Muslim countries around  that Land Israel/Palestine.   \
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    Posting the same low-quality videos over and over and over from crappy Islamic TV channels of kids hating on Jews doesn't make your arguments look any stronger. By the way. That article you've posted. You made it look like you've made a shocking discovery or something. I don't get what you're trying to prove with it.

    No..No., It is no shocking truth. It is open source. It is just that brain washed Muslims don't see and don't read and  if they  read by chance,  they don't think  about it rationally.
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    Yes Islam says you can kill Jews bla bla, but so does Judaism. Both religions are shitty and their books contain the same hatred towards other religions.

    Rubbish.. Juice and Judaism never said Kill MUSLIMS...

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    How many fucking times do I have to say that not all Muslims think the same way and not all Muslims want to kill Jews and not all Muslims follow the Quran word for word?

    We all can fuck until we are completely dry of fluids in our body.,  but "non one ever said that all Muslims want to kill Jews"

    And those Muslims who want to say Religion is personal., Islam has no role  in politics.,  "THEY ARE IN MINORITY, THEY HAVE NO POLITICAL, FINANCIAL AND MUSCLE POWER"  In fact if they talk openly their dead bodies will be dragged on the streets of so-called Islamic nations.
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    Are you serious? You're comparing a university professor to a Muslim "baboon" at a mosque? Ok, I'll play along.

    Off course I am serious., What? what are you talking dear whyme89? are you talking about Ilan Pappe?? did I say that  he is Mullah Baboon??  Either you are crazy or you think I am crazy.   But I believe you misunderstood what I said,  or may be I was not clear. I didn't compare your video of That German Juicey  Jew  Ilan Pappe with Preaching Baboons of  Mosque.  
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    There's a video I posted here before. It shows a Muslim professor who states clearly that rockets fired on Israel should be stopped. See? I can show you many Muslims who oppose firing rockets on civilians. Besides these Jews and Israelis support Palestinians  because it's so obvious who the unfortunates are. What right should a Muslim support Israel for exactly? lol What more rights do you want Israel to have? And here's a response to your overused videos of Palestinians teaching their kids hatred.

    what are you writing dear whyme89?? Yes Many Juice across the world and many in Israelites   do support certain sections of Palestinians and they understand the problems of many Innocent Palestinians.   That is wonderful., Now let us get the same empathy from other side and first  replace the Baboons from Mosques and get some good preachers of Islam in to these Mosques across Globe  without shouting in to loud speakers ..Jihad..Jihad.. Allah hooo akbaar and juice are pigs.,  and let us not preach Kids the hate material..
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    what kind of tube is that?? are those children saying kill Muslims and Muslim  kids??  see this Fogel Family
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    Ok. So I want to make this clear that I'm not insulting Jews. I'm just saying that their religion is as shitty as Islam is, and Israelis act according to it. NOT ALL JEWS TAKE THEIR BOOK'S SERIOUSLY THOUGH AS ANYONE WITH A COMMON SENSE SHOULD KNOW.

    Rubbish.,  Nope., You are wrong and that is not true., You can go and say., Moses was a Joker., Jesus was gay.,  and that you can says in presence of juice and Christians. Say Muhammad was criminal rapists in presence of Muslims.,  You will not see the next day,.
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    1) Islam is the only religion that produces intolerant, savage, and uncivilized people? Hell even in that street a guy tells the reporter that not all Jews are like that(2nd video)

    Yes it is., you are  TOTALLY right., those who follow Islam according its books and the hate those books preach for others in that Quran/sunnah/hadith/Mullah  preachings, they  have indeed produced and  will produce intolerant  uncivilized savage people

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     You didn't even see those videos, what happened there and why such people are created??   That is squarely anti Islamic hate of Juice  which spilled out there on to Muslims and that is because this continues Hate Juice program of Islam. Yes innocent people will become victims.  

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    2) Let's look at it from another perspective: "They've been choosing governments who ruined our lives from the day we were born(killing us, demolishing our houses, steeling lands, treating us like shit, making us live in fear all our lives). It's their fault. They got it to where it is now. Not us" "Don't you see it getting worse by firing rockets at them?" "No I think that's the only solution. I think they should just clear off all the settlements. Just take them off the ground" Sounds familiar? Why are Israelis being excused for feeling this way, but Palestinians are not? Everyone has the right to be a "little bit fascist"you know. Fucking bitch.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkCBK4-5tRI&feature=related  

    I like everything and that "FUCKING BITCH"  emotional outbursts will not solve that problem.

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    3) Haha I love this video. "Does anyone want to change the bible? The statement of the Torah, the written Torah or the oral Torah?" Where did we hear something similar? I don't know ,maybe Muslim scholars saying that the Quran should be followed word by word even if it means non-Muslims should be killed?

    1:42 lol that guy was Jewish and was dragged out by force out of the place. I can't imagine what would happen if he wasn't a Jew. Doesn't look like freedom of speech to me, but we can't generalize based on a youtube video right?

    "Torah is a Torah of Peace" aaand Islam is the religion of peace?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhFvfW3Pai0&feature=related

    4) ALLAHU AKBAR the Jewish Version  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXkzxjZVqyY&feature=related

    Cool down.. take a deep breath dear whyme89

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    5) Look who the Israeli leaders are hanging out with. That's one of Israel's most influential religious leaders. I checked the quotes and he did say the stuff found in this anti-Jewish video here. By the way, he blamed Hurricane Katrina on the "Godlessness" of New Orleans. Looks like there's no difference between their scholars and Muslim scholars after all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4xMHVSZLyU  

    Rubbish.. you don't even know what is going on there...  Hurray some foolish Rabbi  Blamed "Godlessness".,. That American Pat Robertson blamed Godless America more than those dumb Rabbis.. so what?  what can I do??
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    I might not post here again until I don't know when, unless I get depressed or something.  I said what had to be said, and the videos I posted in this thread explain everything I wanted to say. My conscience is clear.
    Shalom

    Alaikum Salam  wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakaturh

    Nope you didn't even understand the problem so the question of your   conscience doesn't arise.   Sorry to say this but  you get depressed quite easily .. take care yourself  dear whyme89

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #412 - September 15, 2011, 06:24 PM

     
    dance

    .. So you like me fighting with whyme89  dear Colonel Q?? Go dance and rape raccoons...
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    Thing is how Yeez and others like him view this-- a holy war, evil Muslims versus righteous Jews, is just the flipside of the Hamas/Islamist narrative. Only they're on the side of Goliath-- and how ironic is it that it's the Palestinians who are the modern-day Davids?

    I too wish that all Palestinians go back to the stories of David and become juice .,  and.. and bury Islam in the sand of Arabia or under thatAl Aqsa Mosque, and make the mosque as Islamic history teaching library..   Bullshit  stories..
     

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #413 - September 15, 2011, 06:49 PM

    Meanwhile, a case report writes itself:



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-LD5jzXpLE&NR=1
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #414 - September 15, 2011, 06:52 PM

    Now for some fascinating facts? Hope it inspires them to stop the fratricide!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3q6OKG4zAE



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #415 - September 15, 2011, 07:32 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYscX8r9Y20&feature=related



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #416 - September 15, 2011, 07:41 PM

    "They are both lunatics, I call no-contest" - Prince Spinoza on MRasheed vs TheRationalizer debate
    This quote is awesome and suits so many situations Smiley
    copied

    I'm open for debate (of why we should re-/embrace Islam), but I will no longer participate in this forum. Message me if you need anything. Good luck and may you all find your way... again...
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #417 - September 15, 2011, 07:52 PM

    ^ i miss mrasheed

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #418 - September 15, 2011, 08:58 PM

    Ahem. She was talking about theft of Jewish land, not military conquests by muslims in which they took land off other empires.

    And of course Muslim conquest of Jewish land would never involve any theft of Jewish land, right?

    Come on, be realistic about it. Yes, it was back in the middle ages and has bugger all to do with what is going on now, but it would be quite naive to insist that everything must have been just peachy back then. Although we don't have much in the way of records, it is more than likely that some theft of land would have occurred.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #419 - September 15, 2011, 10:38 PM

    The bard was wrong,there's everything in a name!



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
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