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  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #90 - August 30, 2011, 06:13 PM
    Quote from: truth_seeker on August 30, 2011, 06:04 PM
    I've been trolling in that comment section for some time now. Also another guy the name of UA Khan is also trolling.  Cheesy


    UA khan is me. High five brother.
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #91 - August 30, 2011, 06:18 PM
    Quote from: IHIR on August 30, 2011, 03:00 PM
    The tortoise has gone mad recently. See what he has been posting about atheism on his page.

    "Atheism is a disease of the heart. Not the physical but the spiritual. It is not only an emotional rejection of God, but also of oneself. One thing that we can be sure of is that the self cannot be explained biologically or chemically. The physicist Gerald Schroeder points out that there is no real difference between a heap of sand and the brain of an Einstein, because how can certain bits of matter suddenly create a new reality that has no resemblance to matter? Discuss."  Cheesy

    http://www.facebook.com/HamzaAndreasTzortzis

     He and Adam Deen have been hung up on atheism = nihlism for a while.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #92 - August 30, 2011, 06:48 PM
    Quote from: IHIR on August 30, 2011, 06:13 PM
    UA khan is me. High five brother.


    LOOOOL

    Btw, it's not really my real account. I use it mainly to spy on people or be anonymous in facebook  Afro
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #93 - August 30, 2011, 08:04 PM
    omg IHIR you are doing it so well!
    Quote from: zooby on December 26, 2011, 01:57 AM
    I think a lot of us were brought here by google. Verily google guides whom it wills!

  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #94 - August 30, 2011, 09:26 PM
    i just got banned from commenting by hamza.

    oh well, it was a nice run  dance
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #95 - August 30, 2011, 10:13 PM
    do you have any screen shots of your comments? I can't be arsed to sift through all the drivel.
    I make it rain - apparently?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh_I19_mKkU&list=SP1665576E7498BAB7&index=2&feature=plcp
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #96 - August 31, 2011, 03:42 AM
    Edited
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #97 - August 31, 2011, 03:45 AM
    He has also deleted my comments.
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #98 - August 31, 2011, 05:30 AM
    He's a scaredy cat.  End of.
    .
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #99 - August 31, 2011, 05:43 AM
    Quote from: IHIR on August 30, 2011, 03:00 PM


    "Atheism is a disease of the heart. Not the physical but the spiritual. It is not only an emotional rejection of God, but also of oneself. One thing that we can be sure of is that the self cannot be explained biologically or chemically. The physicist Gerald Schroeder points out that there is no real difference between a heap of sand and the brain of an Einstein, because how can certain bits of matter suddenly create a new reality that has no resemblance to matter? Discuss."  Cheesy




    He is right that our understanding of matter is insufficient to account for experiential reality.
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #100 - August 31, 2011, 10:39 AM
    Quote from: Shahid Raza on August 31, 2011, 05:30 AM
    He's a scaredy cat.  End of.

    Considering his umming and awing over debating TheRationalizer, something he agreed to and then backed out of, that’s an accurate summation! Cheesy
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #101 - August 31, 2011, 12:15 PM
    the funny thing is, although me and IHIR were trolling, we never said anything that goes against the tenets of Islam.
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #102 - August 31, 2011, 03:09 PM
    What was the gist of the trolling?
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #103 - August 31, 2011, 03:41 PM
    Quote from: z10 on August 31, 2011, 05:43 AM
    He is right that our understanding of matter is insufficient to account for experiential reality.


    God of the gaps.
    An alternative to religion;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2nfXfTg92E

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWNW-NXEudk
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #104 - August 31, 2011, 03:49 PM
    'God' is not the only explanation strangestdude Smiley
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #105 - August 31, 2011, 03:51 PM
    It wasn't directed at you (I should have made that clear), it was my summary of what Hamza was implying.
    An alternative to religion;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2nfXfTg92E

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWNW-NXEudk
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #106 - September 02, 2011, 09:45 PM
    We were posting comments like " Mashallah brother, may Allah give you Jannah" , or " Mashallah brother, you have strenghtened my Imaan" or " Mashallah brother you have set the Muslim Ummah on the right path".
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #107 - September 03, 2011, 04:17 AM
    Quote from: IHIR on August 30, 2011, 03:00 PM
    The tortoise has gone mad recently. See what he has been posting about atheism on his page.

    "Atheism is a disease of the heart. Not the physical but the spiritual. It is not only an emotional rejection of God, but also of oneself. One thing that we can be sure of is that the self cannot be explained biologically or chemically. The physicist Gerald Schroeder points out that there is no real difference between a heap of sand and the brain of an Einstein, because how can certain bits of matter suddenly create a new reality that has no resemblance to matter? Discuss."  Cheesy

    http://www.facebook.com/HamzaAndreasTzortzis



    Z10 - He is right that our understanding of matter is insufficient to account for experiential reality.

     i agree but atheism is not a disease - and the new atheist are to blame for his response - this is why new atheism  fails against thinking theist.

         Friedrich Nietzsche
    Man has been reared by his errors: firstly, he saw himself always imperfect; secondly, he attributed to himself imaginary qualities; thirdly, he felt himself in a false position in relation to the animals and nature; fourthly, he always devised new tables of values, and accepted them for a time as eternal and unconditioned, so that at one time this, and at another time that human impulse or state stood first, and was ennobled in consequence.  When one has deducted the effect of these four errors, one has also deducted humanity, humaneness, and "human dignity."  

    God is serouse business dumbkins is not equipped to battle the acient thiests and hamza knows this
    "A belief in hell and the knowledge that every ambition is doomed to frustration at the hands of a skeleton have never prevented the majority of human beings from behaving as though death were no more than an unfounded rumour."
    Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #108 - September 03, 2011, 04:23 AM
    Quote from: z10 on August 31, 2011, 03:49 PM
    'God' is not the only explanation strangestdude Smiley


    i don't think there is an explanation in scientific sense , the explanation would have to be in a very rich language , having to deal with something that's tangible at all
    and anything that does not use scientific language is dismissed by new atheists so i don't think anyone would listen to people who do present  possible explanations
    "A belief in hell and the knowledge that every ambition is doomed to frustration at the hands of a skeleton have never prevented the majority of human beings from behaving as though death were no more than an unfounded rumour."
    Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #109 - September 03, 2011, 05:25 AM
    Why complex language? why can't it be so simple that language cannot capture it and it just is, without explanation?  
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #110 - September 03, 2011, 11:30 PM
    deusvult if we where talking about things we can see , things with simple edges and angles then we can use simple language but where dealing with incredibly complex concepts such as emotions and beliefs and we cant simply dismiss those things as not real because we do have emotions and beliefs. This is not a task for logic because logic as you know is cold and despite logic people go on living e.g smoking kills you but lots still smoke, they like smoking and might not be solely the nicotine (nhs has different stages of addiction and the most severest smoking addiction is when your addicted to simply holding a cigarette)  also a smoker might not like the idea of dying , yet they know smoking kills but carry on regardless, see it doesn't make sense logically but then again we don't live logically. Also science works because you take into the lab and investigate within controlled environment controlling all the variables but you cant do that to human beings because our environment is what we are and our environment is much more complicated then say the environment of a panda or another animal.  you can use simple language but it wont be a single summed up statement ( like evangelical new atheists) it would be heaps of volumes written . But then this task has already been done Karl Marx and Engels attempted to explain everything through a materiel account of history and complete examination of our present state. Thats why Marxists reading can be applied to everything (its even uses in film studies) Marx brings in politics, economics, history, biology and human psychology - he tells us whats wrong so we can do something about it but despite this allot of people ignore Marx. so the other problem is even if we come up with a explanation we will never come to agree on it. you might notice that allot of student are Marxists but by the time they enter the market they get tired of fighting and just laugh it out - iv been told that capitalism is here and we cant do nothing about it.
    "A belief in hell and the knowledge that every ambition is doomed to frustration at the hands of a skeleton have never prevented the majority of human beings from behaving as though death were no more than an unfounded rumour."
    Aldous Huxley
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #111 - September 04, 2011, 04:26 AM
    What makes you think they are complex? At heart they are very simple.  Can one truly describe love? It eludes description because it is so simple that words can't even describe it. 
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #112 - September 12, 2011, 12:12 PM
    Latest update from our friend Hamza...

    Hamza Andreas Tzortzis
    Alhamdulilah, I am pleased to announce that the "Embryology in the Qur’an: A Scientific-Linguistic Analysis of Chapter 23" Which includes responses to historical, scientific and popular contentions is now complete and has been sent to the designers. The old arguments have been updated, the plagiarisation thesis refuted, the Harith bin Kalada link destroyed and much more. Who would like excerpts to be released before we publish the paper?
    .
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #113 - September 12, 2011, 03:13 PM
    I love how Islamists try to pass off vague Quranic accounts of embryology as accurate science when even a preschooler can make a better guess of how a baby is formed.
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #114 - September 12, 2011, 05:41 PM
    Quote from: Shahid Raza on September 12, 2011, 12:12 PM
    Latest update from our friend Hamza...

    Hamza Andreas Tzortzis
    Alhamdulilah, I am pleased to announce that the "Embryology in the Qur’an: A Scientific-Linguistic Analysis of Chapter 23" Which includes responses to historical, scientific and popular contentions is now complete and has been sent to the designers. The old arguments have been updated, the plagiarisation thesis refuted, the Harith bin Kalada link destroyed and much more. Who would like excerpts to be released before we publish the paper?

    Thats a pure example of how people change there belifs so they look modren when they are acctuly words of a 7th centruy desert man.
    It sereiously anoyes the hell out of me, Before doing his research he already preassumed that emrbology in the quran is right and is in more detail. That proves that he wouldn't be honest in his research.



    Lost somewhere between immensity and eternity is our tiny planetary home. [carl sagan]
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #115 - September 12, 2011, 05:55 PM

    Hamza the Greek should be focussing on uncovering the scientific secrets that are hidden in the Quran but are as yet unknown, that shall be discovered by infidel scientists in the future, thus presaging the scientific advances of the infidels before they have the arrogance to discover them and develop science without giving credit to where these scientific advances were first hidden in coded messages, another example of infidel perfidy and arrogance.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #116 - September 12, 2011, 06:19 PM
    The 'paper' will probably contain this....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLdGS4fjrVg

    The miraculous ambiguity of the Quran.
    An alternative to religion;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2nfXfTg92E

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWNW-NXEudk
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #117 - September 12, 2011, 09:22 PM
    Quote from: billy on September 12, 2011, 05:55 PM
    Hamza the Greek should be focussing on uncovering the scientific secrets that are hidden in the Quran but are as yet unknown, that shall be discovered by infidel scientists in the future, thus presaging the scientific advances of the infidels before they have the arrogance to discover them and develop science without giving credit to where these scientific advances were first hidden in coded messages, another example of infidel perfidy and arrogance.





    hear, hear
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #118 - September 15, 2011, 10:44 PM
    Adnan Rashid describes himself as a "Historian from The University of London".

    Is he really? Is he a lecturer?  Or a professor? (pah, yeh right!).... or is he just a mature student studying the subject there, and he's given himself this pretentious title?
    .
  • Re: Hamza Tzortzis & IERA challenge PZ Myers, Maryam Namazie & Richard Dawkins
     Reply #119 - September 15, 2011, 11:08 PM
    Quote from: strangestdude on September 12, 2011, 06:19 PM
    The miraculous ambiguity of the Quran.


    Classical exegesis comes to the rescue again. If one interpretation don't fit then just go to one that does & hey presto!- no contradictions, no errors, no flaws.
    When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish.
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