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  • An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     OP - July 03, 2011, 02:29 PM

    .....

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #1 - July 03, 2011, 02:40 PM

    Yay.  Good to see you blogging Naija, I've always wanted to know more about you.  You are like an enigma to be discovered so I for one will be keeping an eye on your blog.   parrot

    I can imagine it is not going to be easy at all to come out if the whole system is that interlinked and if your family are that well connected in the Islamic community.  That can't be easy at all.

    But hopefully your plans to finish your studies and get your own money together etc should at least bring you closer to relative freedom than that which you currently have now.  I can't really imagine how it will feel to know that for the rest of your time there you will always be having to watch who you tell, and watch your back from those who don't take the truth so well.

    So yeah, rant away because at times you are going to need the vent space.  hugs

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #2 - July 03, 2011, 02:53 PM

    .

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #3 - July 03, 2011, 02:57 PM

    Yay.  Good to see you blogging Naija, I've always wanted to know more about you.  You are like an enigma to be discovered so I for one will be keeping an eye on your blog.   parrot

    I can imagine it is not going to be easy at all to come out if the whole system is that interlinked and if your family are that well connected in the Islamic community.  That can't be easy at all.

    But hopefully your plans to finish your studies and get your own money together etc should at least bring you closer to relative freedom than that which you currently have now.  I can't really imagine how it will feel to know that for the rest of your time there you will always be having to watch who you tell, and watch your back from those who don't take the truth so well.

    So yeah, rant away because at times you are going to need the vent space.  hugs


    Thanks for the encouragement Berbs, i will write more later on. and you are right about the finishing my studies and be independent from my family because thats my main focus for now.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #4 - July 03, 2011, 03:04 PM

    Wow, I know so much about you now, now that i've read your blog. I think everyone should write a blog about their experiences. The voices of ex muslims need to be heard.

    I could see why it would be such a huge risk of coming out for you. And life must be twice as much difficult to live when you've got such heavy responsibilites and a social image to keep up. This forum is in actual is for people like yourself, who need a platform to voice their hardships and their closet lifestyles.

    And for the record you write way better than I could ever imagine to. And not just that but you've got something to write about, unlike me who blogs about my daily trivial problems and rants.

    hugs

  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #5 - July 03, 2011, 03:25 PM

    UPDATE

    so far only 4 people that i am close to knows about my apostasy, one is my elder brother, one was my best friend until i opened up to him about my apostasy which affects our relationship, now we dont even talk anymore. the rest of the two are my cousins

    One of my cousins who learnt about my apostasy from the other cousin of mine came to visit me in my flat close to the university i attend last week, we started talking then the topic of my belief came up. he was curious to know why i became an atheist, initially i didnt want to tell him for fear of offending him, i even ask him does he really want to know why because if i tell him he will be offended by the things i will say. he said sure he will be able stomach it, i said ok. i told him how the evolution in science disprove the claim made my the qur'an that we humans descended from Adam and Hauwa(Eve), and the embryology topic which proves to me tht Qur'an is a man made. i also told him how i dont like the things that Mo did especially what he did to the Jews,enslaving women and raping them, and so on. at the end he still wants me to go back and study Islam more, i told him the more i study about Islam the more i disbelieve in it. yet he explained his worry that if the whole family finds out especially our relatives, im at the risk of comitting social suicide. and what if later on we have our own family and one day his children comes to ask him, "Daddy how did Uncle Naija became an atheist?", "why did he leave islam?". he thinks  that such things like this will influence his children and some of my folks to follow my path and turn into an ex-muslim too. too bad it may be his worry because i will be delighted if such thing happens in the future


    well as for my Elder brother who once snitched on me before, we still havent had a any problem for the last two months, he seemed cool about it but i still dont trust him because of what he did in the past. for now im still watching him and being cautious whenever im around him.


    Yeah, cos like that should stop you from doing what you need to do.  That argument..."Think of the children".  Yep, go back to Islam for the sake of children yet to be born, that makes no sense to me that sort of thinking.

    I can't wait for the day my nieces and nephews start to wonder about me, their aunty that left Islam.

    Infact this is sort of eerie, but I too have an aunt that no one talks to.

    She ran away from morocco in the 70's and moved to spain, she got tattoos, left Islam, eats pork, married a non muslim, raised non muslim children.  No one in the family spoke to her anymore.

    When I was growing up, the reason I knew about her was because I was always compared to her.  People would say "you remind me of you aunty Naima, but she shamed the family.  You look so much like her and behave so much like her, don;t shame the family"

    This always made me curious about her, I used to wonder who she was.

    Is it not ironic that I am now that tattooed aunty who is the black sheep of the family that no one speaks of anymore?  Cheesy

    So yeah, look forward to that day.  Fact is there is total truth, ex muslims do create fitna.

    Once you introduce that rebellious element into a tight system, and you allow that rebellious element to remain, the system will begin to crumble.  Slowly, but yes, it will happen. 

    People look to their peers for confirmation at times of their moral choices, if all of those peers are muslim its harder to judge what is normal, and indeed what other choices you could possibly have.  If those peers are mixed, there is a wider variety for social comparisons.

    I find it fascinating, and very comparative that the old conformity and obedience experiments found the one rebel breaks down group conformity, and that when the participants were asked after why they conformed/obeyed, they said "I didn't know I had another choice".

    We are the other choice.  Our views.  That is why they are dangerous sadly. 


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #6 - July 03, 2011, 06:06 PM

    ...

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #7 - July 03, 2011, 07:03 PM

    Most nigerians I have met arent religious so this is abit of a shocker your blog seems already interesting keep it up hun .

    "its fashionable to be an ex Muslim these days"
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #8 - July 03, 2011, 07:17 PM

    Yeah my sister also knows about my apostasy and said im not going near her children she even compared my apostasy to Paedophilia........ I know how retarded . Usually when i have told my muslim friends about my apostasy they ask for an explanation but they dont listen , they are more concerned in proving you wrong asking you your views On life after death like the immediately makes islam true . Thankfully i have one friend that has accepted me no matter what but we unfortunately dont really talk about islam.....

    "its fashionable to be an ex Muslim these days"
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #9 - July 03, 2011, 07:23 PM

    I should just stick to one post ! But ur mum knows about ur apostasy how did that happen

    "its fashionable to be an ex Muslim these days"
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #10 - July 03, 2011, 09:39 PM

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    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #11 - July 03, 2011, 09:44 PM

    Although things have change since then, because i was a deist but now im an atheist Smiley

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #12 - July 03, 2011, 11:23 PM

    I was thinking about starting a 'blog' on here a few weeks ago... but now everyone's at it... so I shall pass. Tongue
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #13 - July 03, 2011, 11:27 PM

    Good. Saves us the trouble. ^ Roll Eyes

    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #14 - July 04, 2011, 12:31 AM

    Of having to compete with my awesomeness? You're very welcome.
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #15 - July 04, 2011, 12:33 AM

    Of having to compete with my awesomeness? You're very welcome.


    No. To grab our barf bags. Cheesy
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #16 - July 04, 2011, 12:34 AM

    Ah, don't worry, I wouldn't have posted anything about you.  bunny
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #17 - July 04, 2011, 12:39 AM

    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    If you did atleast people would read about it. Your loss!  bunny
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #18 - July 04, 2011, 03:59 AM

    Interesting blog, my African brother!

    Consider it bookmarked.  Smiley

    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #19 - July 04, 2011, 07:27 AM

    -

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #20 - July 04, 2011, 12:51 PM

    .....

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #21 - July 09, 2011, 08:06 PM

    ...

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #22 - July 09, 2011, 08:19 PM

    Thanks Naija for sharing this with us. It seems that you have learnt more of Islam then others. I think you took the right decision for yourself. Hope you find a nice infidel soon!  Afro

    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #23 - July 10, 2011, 07:03 AM

    Thanks Hallakuf, i guess it takes an experience to learn a lesson.

    It feels good to be wake up and feel free from all this. Its like something heavy has been lifted off my back.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #24 - July 10, 2011, 07:56 AM

    It’s weird how things turn that way, here was a sweet,kind,gentle and caring woman, who is very liberal, doesn’t always pray, drinks alcohol, hip-hop lover and someone who goes to clubbing. All it took was for me to open up about my beliefs and she just turned into a dogmatic person becoming irrational, wearing hijab (which she rarely does when I met her), praying and reading Qur’an in the early morning. It even got worse few days before we broke up, she was getting worried that the world is coming to an end soon.


    This is a real shocker, but on second thoughts conforms to one of the modern stereotypes of a Muslim.
    A hypocritical follower of the religion who has humungous amounts of guilt hidden in the recesses of his mind,that can cause him to go beserk any time.

     



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #25 - July 10, 2011, 09:01 AM

    ...

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #26 - July 10, 2011, 09:12 AM

    I personally think ending it is the best thing for you.

    People can start off as the most sweetest amazing people you hav ever met, and slowly the truth about them comes out.

    Me and my ex husband, to be honest I was head over heels in love with him.  We used to go raving together when we first started dating.  We took drugs together, had sex before the marriage, partied hard, drank alcohol, and the sex was soo much fun.  We made porn, it was with him that I first tried pretty much everything sexual (except anal, except that one time accidentally, but I screamed and ran out the room crying LOL ).

    That man, that wonderful fun, GENTLE (and boy was he gentle to start off with.  He used to be so tender. You can never trust a man who is tender.  The 2 men who have touched me the deepest with how gentle they were to me, were the ones that had the most to hide and mask and compensate for) loving, and open guy.  He fucking changed for religion.

    They always change.  Marriage, commitment, allah, it changes seomthing that was good into something that became the worst nightmare I ever lived through to date.  He stopped stroking my hair, and pulled it, so that instead of stroking my face, he could punch it. 

    So, don't be surprised that religion changed her from nice and sweet to spiteful and nasty and hypocritical.  Infact often I would say that if religion can do that to a person, then really that is who that person was deep down.

    How come religion never made me cruel?  how come it never made me racist?  how come it never made me judgemental and hypocritical?

    Maybe because I was never those things to begin with.

    What comes out in the end, I think that is the true them.

    So consider yourself lucky.

    Out there is some girl who can't be changed by dogmatic beliefs, since she is decent already.   Afro

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #27 - July 10, 2011, 12:43 PM

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    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #28 - July 29, 2011, 11:47 AM

    Short Entry.

    Exams starts in two weeks but to be honest, im fully unprepared for it due to the problems i have encountered such as; my results were not released until two months after resumption(thats how disorganized our educational system is).as a result of that i have been in the dark for two months not knowing whether i was going to get withdrawn or not,luckily for me my result turned out good. Secondly i havent registered for this semester's courses because my result wasnt released earlier before the semester starts,this is what makes me seeth with anger and to make it worse this douchebag(exams officer) has the audacity to blame shit on me saying if i was serious i wouldnt have face this problem,fuck that, Is it my fault that you people havent released my results before the semester starts until two months later, Thats bullshit if you ask me. Lately he has been angry with me and i think it has to do with me for refusing to pay Muslim Students Association fee(they tried to force on us to pay but i refused which he is aware because he is an official and was disappointed).

    Anyway good thing i know my results now, its not too late i can still put my efforts, by getting all the notes and meet the lecturers to ask for a make-up test since i have a valid reason enough to convince them. It sucks how every second semester of each session i encounter a different problems and this is the least i expect. Anyway lets see how far it goes.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: An Infidel living in the midst of dogmatic followers
     Reply #29 - August 08, 2011, 04:46 PM

    Well today i went to my school with my dad, it was an awkward journey seeing that we havent been talking that much and minding our own business. Anyway we went to see an exam officer to get a progress report and im glad i have made it out of probation so everything is all well, but unfortunately it hasnt been released early and its almost two weeks for me to start an exam.i have missed most of the CA's and test, so the best option for me was to defer the semester. It was an intense moment after we finished discussing over it

    I felt a sense of relief after my request for deferring semester was granted, because i dont want to go back to square one and all the hardwork i have done in the previous semester would have gone to waste if i hadnt done that.

    Now am gonna take two months of break to meditate and psych myself up so that when i go back,i will be go back with a full concentration to improve my grades. I have 3 semesters left for me to complete my time and get my degree. My target now is to get a second-class upper degree and i hope i earn it.

    Thats it.

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
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