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 Topic: Apostasy and Attractiveness

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  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #30 - July 13, 2011, 04:47 PM
    @Blade: LOOL. you do look ready for a scrap  Cheesy
    Hi
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #31 - July 13, 2011, 04:47 PM
    @ Kleine - See my edit Smiley
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #32 - July 13, 2011, 04:48 PM
    Quote from: musivore on July 13, 2011, 04:47 PM
    @Blade: LOOL. you do look ready for a scrap  Cheesy



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  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #33 - July 13, 2011, 04:48 PM
    Quote from: harakaat on July 13, 2011, 04:19 PM
    I was referring to IQ and religiosity. As I said, I'd suspend judgment on the issue of whether there's a correlation between physical attractiveness and religiosity or not.


    I know some pretty stupid atheists, and some very intelligent muslims who won;t leave Islam.  I am sure its easy to say that a believer is not intelligent simply because they are unable to shake off belief, but I think this fails to factor in so many things, like education, social conditions, chances in life, and so on.

    It's just a correlation, not a causation which is important to keep in mind when talking about IQ and freedom being solely gifted to the few.  It also dismisses believers who do actually score high on IQ tests, but won't let go of their belief. 

    Personally I think this correlation is no different from the race and IQ correlation, it's bubkiss and just part of the whole social identity theory of applying the best characteristics to ones own group.

    I certainly do not feel I am smarter, or better looking than someone else because I am an apostate and they are not.  Only when they prove they are stupid really.

    I think its the path to prejudice formation to think your group is the best group. 

    There are dumb fucks in all walks of life.
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #34 - July 13, 2011, 04:49 PM
    Quote from: musivore on July 13, 2011, 04:36 PM
    He sometimes alternates to using Ralph Macho ones  yes


    He's just trying to throw us off the scent. Has anyone seen Glade Bummer and Eduardo in the same room together? I don't think so! They are the same peoples!
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #35 - July 13, 2011, 04:52 PM
    Quote from: kleine Bruder on July 13, 2011, 04:38 PM
    Perhaps if you reread my first post, you'll see that I do point out the issue of selection bias and non-representative sample. The thread made me think, but like harakaat mentioned, my mechanism was not the thread itself, rather the acts one is exposed to while they are still under the banner of a religion, based on attractiveness.

    Berbs: You raise an interesting point, although it serves more as an adhominem rather than an actual negation of my premises or argument. If you find a flaw in my argument (which I'm sure there could be), let us all know. Speculating on whether I want 'my-in-crowd' to be 'the best' will get you nowhere, no how. I have respect enough to not question your motives for posting any ideas, the least you could do is reciprocate and try to tackle the idea, not my 'method of coming up with shit'. Thank you.


    Wait, WTF?  Sensitive little soul aren;t you?

    Where did I actually attack you in a nasty ad hominem way?

    It was not an ad hominem attack, I am providing you with an alternative arguement. Seriously?  the whole social psychology rests upon questioning the motives and background for why humans believe the things they do.  But to say it is an attack on you?

    Wow, wow, seriously, like fucking wow.  Roll Eyes
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #36 - July 13, 2011, 04:53 PM
    Aren't people who post their pictures more likely to think of themselves as - good looking enough to post a picture?
    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #37 - July 13, 2011, 04:54 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on July 13, 2011, 04:43 PM
    But you cited increasing sexuality/sexual experiences. I don't really see much reason to jump from there to likelihood of apostasy. And I would think people who spend less time socialising 'irl' would be more likely to find atheistic/anti-religious material on the internet. Certainly the latter would be a more common factor among apostates, I would think.


    And really, we seem to have a very high proportion of virgins and asocial peeps on here. In fact, just running some names of attractive females on here through my head... they are almost all virgins...
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #38 - July 13, 2011, 04:55 PM
    This thread can't be serious, and if it is: LOL
    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #39 - July 13, 2011, 04:57 PM
    Of course it isn't, but I think it's funny all the way...
    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #40 - July 13, 2011, 04:59 PM
    You're preaching to the choir, Berbs Tongue I completely agree with what you say. I only talked about whether the correlation (not the causation) existed or not. That's an empirical question that none of us can answer at this stage. That's why I think we should stop speculating, and either propose mechanisms that cause or hamper the correlation, or actually do some real research.
    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #41 - July 13, 2011, 05:06 PM
    Quote from: harakaat on July 13, 2011, 04:59 PM
    You're preaching to the choir, Berbs Tongue I completely agree with what you say. I only talked about whether the correlation (not the causation) existed or not. That's an empirical question that none of us can answer at this stage. That's why I think we should stop speculating, and either propose mechanisms that cause or hamper the correlation, or actually do some real research.


    Word up.   Afro

    Ok, so which studies specifically tell us that there is a correlation between IQ and atheism?  that way we can agree or tear it apart.   Tongue

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #42 - July 13, 2011, 05:06 PM
    So far, kleine suggested: attractiveness --> non-Islamic activities with exclusive groups --> apostasy

    I suggested: if intelligence correlates with both beauty and lack of religiosity, then all other things being equal, beauty should correlate with lack of religiosity.

    Prince proposed an interesting counterargument, that ugliness --> unsocial behavior --> apostasy.
    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #43 - July 13, 2011, 05:07 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on July 13, 2011, 05:06 PM
    Word up.   Afro

    Ok, so which studies specifically tell us that there is a correlation between IQ and atheism?  that way we can agree or tear it apart.   Tongue




    http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/Jesus/Intelligence%20&%20religion.htm
    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #44 - July 13, 2011, 05:10 PM
    Where is the study that correlates beauty with intelligence, is what I want to know.
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #45 - July 13, 2011, 05:12 PM
    Quote from: harakaat on July 13, 2011, 05:07 PM
    http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/Jesus/Intelligence%20&%20religion.htm


    LOL damn, gonna be a long job to read each individual study to find its flaws.  Grin
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #46 - July 13, 2011, 05:12 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on July 13, 2011, 05:10 PM
    Where is the study that correlates beauty with intelligence, is what I want to know.


    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200903/beautiful-people-are-more-intelligent-i
    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #47 - July 13, 2011, 05:12 PM
    Quote from: musivore on July 13, 2011, 03:31 PM
    Symmetry and balanced features eh? You mean, like this?


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  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #48 - July 13, 2011, 05:13 PM
    Quote from: kleine Bruder on July 13, 2011, 02:59 PM
    Nonetheless, I am very interested in what others think. Can physical attractiveness, like IQ, affect apostasy?

    What an absolute load of rubbish. Nuff said.
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  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #49 - July 13, 2011, 05:14 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on July 13, 2011, 05:12 PM
    LOL damn, gonna be a long job to read each individual study to find its flaws.  Grin


    Haha Tongue

    Generally, I don't think these studies are controversial. I mean, even a religious person would accept that more intelligent people are likelier to be skeptical, and skeptical people are likelier to reject religion even if they're wrong. Just because intelligent people tend to do something doesn't mean that thing is the intelligent thing to do.
    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #50 - July 13, 2011, 05:19 PM
    Quote from: harakaat on July 13, 2011, 05:12 PM
    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200903/beautiful-people-are-more-intelligent-i


    The attractiveness was 'measured' by an interview, do you have any details about the interview process? It's not very hard to judge intelligence through communication and skew the results. (And really, few things are as off-putting as stupidity.) It's also possible that the intelligent participants earned more money and thus spent more on attractive clothing, hair, make up, surgery even etc.
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #51 - July 13, 2011, 05:21 PM
    Quote from: posthuman on July 13, 2011, 04:53 PM
    Aren't people who post their pictures more likely to think of themselves as - good looking enough to post a picture?


    No.
    Rather be forgotten than remembered for giving in.
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #52 - July 13, 2011, 05:22 PM
    You can be the prettiest thing and be the least attractive based on what comes out of your mouth.

    Attractiveness is such an intricate thing.
    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #53 - July 13, 2011, 05:23 PM
    Quote
    No.


    I never take no for an answer.
    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #54 - July 13, 2011, 05:24 PM
    Quote from: Ephemeral on July 13, 2011, 05:22 PM
    You can be the prettiest thing and be the least attractive based on what comes out of your mouth.

    Attractiveness is such an intricate thing.


    I said that before, a good looking extremist is ugly.

    Rebecca Black is uglier though.
    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #55 - July 13, 2011, 05:25 PM
    Quote from: Ephemeral on July 13, 2011, 05:22 PM
    You can be the prettiest thing and be the least attractive based on what comes out of your mouth.

    Attractiveness is such an intricate thing.


    Truth.

    Especially if it's vomit. I mean who likes that?  Tongue
    Rather be forgotten than remembered for giving in.
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #56 - July 13, 2011, 05:29 PM
    The only way I can think of is:
    1. "Pretty" people are rated higher by teachers;
    2. So they have a higher self-esteem;
    3. So they have more tendency to think for themselves instead of following the group;
    4. So they have more chance to become apostates.

    5. So you are likely to find more "pretty" poople among apostates

    Religion is organized superstition
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #57 - July 13, 2011, 05:30 PM
    Vomit? There's sites for that kinda thing.
    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #58 - July 13, 2011, 05:32 PM
    Maybe beards are just the problem, apostates will be less likely to have them, and the women perhaps more liberal about makeup and their 'ornaments'.
    Before Jesus was, I AM.
  • Re: Apostasy and Attractiveness
     Reply #59 - July 13, 2011, 05:34 PM
    Quote from: Hallakuf on July 13, 2011, 05:29 PM
    The only way I can think of is:
    1. "Pretty" people are rated higher by teachers;
    2. So they have a higher self-esteem;
    3. So they have more tendency to think for themselves instead of following the group;
    4. So they have more chance to become apostates.

    5. So you are likely to find more "pretty" poople among apostates



    Hallakuf.,  is that petty or pretty??

    I don't know what pretty means., what you are saying is All people who use logic to analyze a given problem are pretty which is vry little to do with those whom  general public may think that they  LOOK PRETTY..
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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
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