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  • Question: Muhammad was... (Please explain in a post)
  • A bad person - 25 (46.3%)
  • A good person - 8 (14.8%)
  • I don't know - 12 (22.2%)
  • Other - 9 (16.7%)
  • Total Voters: 54

 Topic: Was Muhammad a bad person?

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  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #60 - February 09, 2014, 01:46 PM
    Quote
    Quote from: harakaat on September 06, 2011, 10:37 PM
    Huh?

    Quote from: harakaat on September 06, 2011, 10:42 PM
    No, it's just that your answer had nothing to do with my question Tongue You post so many YouTube videos, so I was wondering how many you watch per day.

    Quote from: asbie on September 07, 2011, 12:00 AM
    You're trying to be direct with yezevee?

    Really???  Shocked



    No, it's just that your answer had nothing to do with my question Tongue  .... That was harakaat..  

    what he said  was true and I miss  harakaat's posts...
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #61 - February 09, 2014, 02:25 PM
    He taught that he was messenger of God and following him was required.
    He taught that nonbelievers were blind and often implied that nonbelievers were bad people.
    Often (not every time) his revelations seemed to concentrate on his own stuff, thus he used God as an excuse.
    He created religious/political group that led to many deaths.

    But at the same time, he had been disrespected by nonbelievers, he could have milked his position as a prophet even more and he taught some good things also.

    So I answered that I don't know since he was product of his time, he probably had some kind of trauma from the rejection of his prophethood. Also many things that we find from the hadiths seem to be just created to make him look better. So maybe best would be to say that he wasn't terrible person for a leader of his time, but he was far from a noble and great role model. I find it really weird that some muslims like to quote some sayings attributed to him and say that he was the greatest person in history, while not really understanding that there has been similar sayings and even better ones, before and after him.
    I don't think Mo would get much of criticism if muslims were able to admit him being tied to his culture. Now that they are advertising him as the eternally perfect role model, he gets alot of crap.
    Nowadays with good education and good society he would probably be nice guy. Maybe, just maybe.
    I ask many stupid questions frequently.
    I am curious, that's why I ask many questions.
    I am overly curious, that's why I ask stupid questions.
    I lack patience, that's why I ask frequently.
    So forgive me and answer me Smiley
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #62 - February 09, 2014, 02:31 PM
    Quote from: Siunaa Maailmaa on February 09, 2014, 02:25 PM
    He taught that he was messenger of God and following him was required.
    He taught that nonbelievers were blind and often implied that nonbelievers were bad people.
    ................

    Siunaa, I wonder whether  I should read that word  taught    as "thought" ?? 
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #63 - February 09, 2014, 02:40 PM
    Sine this thread was brought back to life, I took the liberty to give my answer. I have given it some thought for a long time now, and I have to say that, YES, I think that Muhammad was a bad person.

    Islamic sources about him are very unreliable, and as we know, the victorious always write the history. However, even without a bias towards the Islamic scriptures, it is apparent that the idolization and romanticism surrounding Mo are very much exaggerated and over the top. If we assume that even half what is said about Mo is true, he seems to be a normally decent person according to our standards today. Don't mistreat people that do not have the same power or privileges as you do, be honest and just and help the poor. Nothing special about it. Oh, he didn't beat his wives, but he allowed others to beat their wives. There are a lot of examples for this. He himself, if takes as a role model, was somewhat decent. But his teachings that not the same.

    On the other hand, if we look at all the bad things he has done and ordered others to do, and assume that Islamic sources probably downplayed them a lot, it is enough with what we do know to realize that he was not the good guy we first thought. Mass murder and rape, not to mention the Muslim supremacy and outright misogyny he helped to institutionalize with the creation of his new cult/religion.

    Now, people might say "well, you have to remember the society Mo lived in, the context, and that he was a product of his time". To that I'll say, fuck it. It is completely irrelevant because Mo is supposedly "the most perfect human being", the ideal model to follow. But according to our modern standards, he is far from a perfect role model. He is actually a disastrous role model because people try to implement his ethics and morality in today's modern society. It is completely in opposition to human rights. According to our modern standards about what makes a person good, he is a very bad person. And I must judge him according to our modern standards because people still use him as a "perfect" role model. Had people said that Mo was just another historical figure and not some religious authority that we Muslims are basically semi-worshiping (even though they can't admit it), I would say he is a somewhat decent good guy. But as that is not the case, I say Mo was a horribly bad person.
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #64 - February 09, 2014, 03:05 PM
    Quote from: Cornflower on February 09, 2014, 02:40 PM
    Quote
    Sine this thread was brought back to life, I took the liberty to give my answer. I have given it some thought for a long time now, and I have to say that, YES, I think that Muhammad was a bad person.

    ............................
    Islamic sources .................... But as that is not the case, I say Mo was a horribly bad person.

    cornflower that is very detailed proof on why that alleged prophet of Islam might have been a bad guy.  I will read that later let me ask  you a question   here.,  You will agree with me that no kid is bad kid by birth., So when we go through this Chronological History of  Islam   what you find is this
    Quote
    571: Birth of the Holy Prophet. Year of the Elephant. Invasion of Makkah by Abraha the Viceroy of Yemen, his retreat.
    577: The Holy Prophet visits Madina with his mother. Death of his mother.
    580: Death of Abdul Muttalib, the grandfather of the Holy Prophet.
    583: The Holy Prophet's journey to Syria in the company of his uncle Abu Talib. His meeting with the monk Bahira at Bisra who foretells of his prophethood.
    586: The Holy Prophet participates in the war of Fijar.
    591: The Holy Prophet becomes an active member of "Hilful Fudul", a league for the relief of the distressed.
    594: The Holy Prophet becomes the Manager of the business of Lady Khadija, and leads her trade caravan to Syria and back.
    595: The Holy Prophet marries Hadrat Khadija. ..
    605: The Holy Prophet arbitrates in a dispute among the Quraish about the placing of the Black Stone in the Kaaba.
    610: The first revelation in the cave at Mt. Hira. The Holy Prophet is commissioned as the Messenger of God.
    613: Declaration at Mt. Sara inviting the general public to Islam.

    614: Invitation to the Hashimites to accept Islam.
    615: Persecution of the Muslims by the Quraish. A party of Muslims leaves for Abyssinia.
    616: Second Hijrah to Abysinnia.
    617: Social boycott of the Hashimites and the Holy Prophet by the Quraish. The Hashimites are shut up in a glen outside Makkah.
    619: Lifting of the boycott. Deaths of Abu Talib and Hadrat Khadija. Year of sorrow.
    620: Journey to Taif. Ascension to the heavens.
    621: First pledge at Aqaba.
    622: Second pledge at Aqaba. The Holy Prophet and the Muslims migrate to Yathrib.
    623: Nakhla expedition.
    624: Battle of Badr. Expulsion of the Bani Qainuqa Jews from Madina.
    625: Battle of Uhud. Massacre of 70 Muslims at Bir Mauna. Expulsion of Banu Nadir Jews from Madina. Second expedition of Badr.
    626: Expedition of Banu Mustaliq.
    627: Battle of the Trench. Expulsion of Banu Quraiza Jews.
    628: Truce of Hudaibiya. Expedition to Khyber. The Holy Prophet addresses letters to various heads of states.
    629: The Holy Prophet performs the pilgrimage at Makkah. Expedition to Muta (Romans).
    630: Conquest of Makkah. Battles of Hunsin, Auras, and Taif.
    631: Expedition to Tabuk. Year of Deputations.
    632: Farewell pilgrimage at Makkah.
    632: Death of the Holy Prophet. Election of Hadrat Abu Bakr as the Caliph.

    that is what we have on his life time. Now question, when did this person became bad?   or was he bad since he turned in to  some 18 year old teenager and was bad all the way until his death.
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #65 - February 09, 2014, 03:45 PM
    I originally voted idk but then I switched my vote from "idk" to "bad person". If Muhammad did invent Allah, then he is supporting this sadist tyrant. If I was to support Hitler, would I be considered a good person? Of course not! Furthermore, Muhammad was a hypocrite. He mentions over and over again to forget about this worldy life and long for the hereafter, yet he has so many wives and has sex with female captives, and let's not forget the war booty. If I was the last prophet of god (who is supposed to be the best example for humans to follow), then I wouldn't try to have sex with female captives or practice polygamy. Hell, look at Jesus of the Bible. He's threatening ppl with eternal damnation, yet he isn't doing it with any women. Of course, if the claims about Jesus being God are true, then yes he's worse than Muhammad. I always think of the Abrahamic God to be stubborn, angry, and arrogant, never agreeing to change his personality.

    Me: Hey Allah!
    Allah: KAFIR!
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #66 - February 09, 2014, 04:23 PM
    I dont know , but my gut tells me i should hate him . There were far more decent human beings than mo both in the present and as well as in his time . Anyone wanna compare mo with other prophets/gurus ? Like jesus , moses ,confucius and buddha ?
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #67 - February 09, 2014, 04:35 PM
    Quote from: Cornflower on February 09, 2014, 02:40 PM
    Oh, he didn't beat his wives, but he allowed others to beat their wives. There are a lot of examples for this.


    Oh he did beat Aisha once. When she had followed him outside thinking that he was upto something. Strangely, he didn't follow the first two steps that comes before beating, warning and not sharing the bed. Well, he was the prophet after all so he is exempted I guess. And I think there were much better people during his times and before that. For instance, those who gave their daughters equal share of properties as the sons and Jesus Christ, respectively.
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #68 - February 09, 2014, 04:39 PM
    Yeezevee I don't think that there is a defining moment in any persons life when he or she becomes bad. Not generally at least. As human beings we are constantly changing. In the case with Mo, it is quite obvious from his seerah that he had narcissistic tendencies, and was in no way a role model for all eternity as our standards for right and wrong are constantly improving (or at least, that is what I wish to believe).

    As I mentioned in my post, for those standards by which he lived, he was most probably a somewhat decent person. But according to our standards, he  really isn't all that. He should be deemed a bad person due to his teachings and actions combined throughout his life. You can't really cherry pick and say, well, oh, he said some good things too. Yeah, he did, but he taught and did some pretty bad things as well.

    So given the fact that he is exalted into some kind of perfect human being and eternal role model for all of humanity, he is a very bad person. If he would only be looked at as a historical figure with no religious or spiritual authority, and people did not follow him in our day and age, I would say meh, he was a somewhat good guy given his time and society he lived in. He did not make everything better when he started preaching, some things were most probably made worse...
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #69 - February 09, 2014, 04:42 PM
    Haven't read anything said as of yet, but I thought I'd comment uninfluenced by others views first. I don't think he was a bad guy, in consideration of the customs and stuff around that time, it seems he was trying to make some things a little better, yea he was a little power hungry but when ppl have power most ppl are. He was an influential man of his time. Yes he done some awful things and of course he was nowhere near perfect, but I don't think he was an evil man per say.
    "Make anyone believe their own knowledge and logic is insufficient and you'll have a puppet susceptible to manipulation."
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #70 - February 09, 2014, 05:05 PM
    Quote from: Rubaya on February 09, 2014, 04:35 PM
    Oh he did beat Aisha once. ...........

    because  Aisha was bad little girl..... lol...
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #71 - February 09, 2014, 05:09 PM
    Now you just sound like a pervert, or perhaps I'm the one with a dirty mind  whistling2
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #72 - February 09, 2014, 05:11 PM
    Quote from: Cornflower on February 09, 2014, 04:39 PM
    Yeezevee I don't think that there is a defining moment in any persons life when he or she becomes bad..............

    No..no There are defining moments in life( if not all but for some people)., sometime people are forced to act bad.. I used to be very angry stupid all the way from 10 to 15 year old boy., break house hold things just for no reason..

    anyways but you didn't answer my question Cornflower.,  May be I didn't frame it right. Question is
    a). Muhammad was born in the year 571..

    was he bad to start with? was he bad when he was 20 year old guy in the year 591?

    was he bad in the year 601? when he was 30 year old guy

    So I want you to go through his life and tell me when he started becoming bad..bad  rascal....??




    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #73 - February 09, 2014, 05:14 PM
    Quote from: Cornflower on February 09, 2014, 05:09 PM
    Now you just sound like a pervert, or perhaps I'm the one with a dirty mind  whistling2

     Noooooooooo Cornflower., that was just joke., I am trying to defend Prophet of Islam in this thread.,   he is my Clinet and I am his Lawyer

    And...and   I set limits in life for everything.  including what I eat & drink.,  and..and.. ..NEVER...EVER..EVER NEVER CROSS THOSE LIMITS..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #74 - February 09, 2014, 05:16 PM
    I think to answer this question within the historical sources of Islam, you would have to ask

    Who was a bad person? Only in this way could you define if Mohamed was so much better that we could define him as good.

    The Meccans were basically 'bad' because they would not let Mo practice and spread his new religion.
    And well... when Mo came to power, pagans and others weren't exactly free. Islam was spread by the sword. Jizya was levied. Islam was dominant. Apostates were killed...

    On the practicing side, some would say Mo was good because he stopped the practice of killing baby girls. That's a plus. On the downside, he introduced new anti-woman scripture that lives on to this day. There's even a hadith that talks about how people were afraid of talking freely to their women in front of Mo in case he comes up with a command against that. Not to mention he continued the practice of slavery and sex slaves and concubines, marrying young girls... That's not exactly a good record. Yet perhaps a small plus.

    On the family side, he married lots of woman and the books try and hype his sexuality. He vists all wives in one night! truly a great man. Sounds like just another horny guy with a fantasy. There is some record he did some house work. Yet, there is nothing that says this was very unique...

    Was he good even for a person in his day? I don't see it. Seemed like just a very successful tribal and political leader.
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #75 - February 09, 2014, 05:21 PM
    You could think of Mo as being an extremely brave and courageous warrior who was also a visionary in changing the belief system from polytheist gods to a monotheist one. However you could also think of him as being a dirty old paedophile for marrying a 6 year old girl and consummating the marriage when she was only 9.

    I am always baffled when a Muslim tries to justify this by stating it was the norm at the time. However I'm pretty sure an omnipotent and omniscient God would've explained to him how disgustingly evil this would be perceived in the not too distant future. Surely the actions of a prophet should stand the test of time and not be outdated in less than 1400 years. Considering the Earh is around 4.5 billion years old, the morals of Mo only lasted a miniscule amount of time proving he certainly was no prophet of an all powerful entity. The mere fact that if I went back in time to the 7th century, I could write a far superior book that had morality, humanity, and ethics that lasted far longer than the Quran proves Mo didn't have any divine inspiration.

    This one action of his has caused misery for 100,000's of girls in countries such as Saudi Arabia and Yemen in the last 1400years. Of course this is just one example of him being an evil bad person, there are many many more reasons which I'm sure you're all aware of.  
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #76 - February 09, 2014, 05:22 PM
    I don't think we have enough reliable information to do that Yeeevee. He preached Muslim supremacy almost from the get-go and was even accused of braking up families and turning child against parent and parent against child. I think that is a pretty bad thing to do. He also waged war in a way that we today would deem to be immoral and wrong, by executing prisoners of war. Being a prophet and supposedly knowing better, I think that is a bad thing to do. I am not sure that I want to believe in a god that legitimizes that kind of behavior. He also marries a little girl, having sex with her while still being a child. I think that is a pretty bad thing to do, given the fact that his actions are guiding. He had multiple wives which he, despite the efforts to claim such a thing, did not treat equally. He was also a huge narcissist and despite the fact that he taught about "tawheed", he exalted himself almost to some kind of semi-worshiping where people drank his piss and saliva and even bathed in his old bathwater just in order to receive his "blessings". Narcissism is not a good trait, especially not when we are supposed to look up to him.

    These are just some examples. I think we must look at the whole picture. His life before prophethood is fragmented and only brings up the "good" and "wonderful" parts of his life in order to exalt him. We have no idea what kind of a man Mo was before he had his little trip in the cave.  After prophethood it is quite obvious that he was a somewhat decent person who teaches some pretty nice things. But as I mentioned above here, they were accompanied with a lot of shady parts, and outright hateful and evil teachings and actions. I can't imagine that a person who slaughters an entire tribe, including children (irregardless if they had pubes) and old people, to be deemed good irregardless of other "good" parts of his life and actions.
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #77 - February 09, 2014, 05:25 PM
    In Quran says, "There has certainly been for you in the (S.A.M) Messenger of Allah  grin12 an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often."

    I am Muhammad. Muhammad is me..

    I choose Muhammad Ibn Abdullah a human being as A Good Person.
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #78 - February 09, 2014, 05:31 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 09, 2014, 05:14 PM
    Noooooooooo Cornflower., that was just joke., I am trying to defend Prophet of Islam in this thread., he is my Clinet and I am his Lawyer

     I am a magistrate for Justice Of Allah... grin12
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #79 - February 09, 2014, 05:34 PM
    Quote from: Cornflower on February 09, 2014, 05:22 PM
    I don't think we have enough reliable information to do that Yeeevee.

    He preached Muslim supremacy almost from the get-go and was even accused of braking up families and turning child against parent and parent against child. I think that is a pretty bad thing to do...............

    How old was He when he   started doing that??

    Ooops I got go.. I will be baaack
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #80 - February 09, 2014, 05:42 PM
    I'm not good at keeping track of years and age of people, but it started very early on in his preaching when he expected from his followers to be ready to sacrifice everything for Islam (and allah), even their own children. This perhaps should not be defined as "Muslim supremacy", but he prepared his followers from the get go to be more susceptible to the idea that Muslims are special people and no one who denies allah is worth anything to you.

    Just remember how the Muslims, once they moved to Madinah, treated their own family members who weren't Muslims. Wasn't it one of Mo's wives who didn't even allow her father to sit on their bed. Now, yeah, Mo said he could sit there after she told him about it. But the fact that the supremacy was so rooted and indoctrinated not even 10 years after the first "Iqra" just shows that this was part of his message from the start. Read through the quran and see how non-Muslims are spoken about. We are deaf, dumb, blind cattle who do not even deserve a grain of mercy. The believers will even laugh at us being tortured in hell... Roll Eyes
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #81 - February 09, 2014, 05:45 PM
    I think Mohammed's stupidity bothers me more than his violence, his cowardice, his sleezy and perverted ways and his emotional instability. That's what makes me wonder most of all how people can admire him, his dullness and feeble-mindedness.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #82 - February 09, 2014, 05:51 PM
    Quote from: Cornflower on February 09, 2014, 05:42 PM
    Just remember how the Muslims, once they moved to Madinah, treated their own family members who weren't Muslims. Wasn't it one of Mo's wives who didn't even allow her father to sit on their bed. Now, yeah, Mo said he could sit there after she told him about it. But the fact that the supremacy was so rooted and indoctrinated not even 10 years after the first "Iqra" just shows that this was part of his message from the start. Read through the quran and see how non-Muslims are spoken about. We are deaf, dumb, blind cattle who do not even deserve a grain of mercy. The believers will even laugh at us being tortured in hell... Roll Eyes


    I think I might write about this in more detail...but the worst thing about racism was not the 'slavery' aspect of it but the idea that developed in which you viewed the 'other' in terms as less civilised than you, as sub-human. They could be bought into the light but the barabarians will not do so willingly, the child must be forced into maturity. This is worse than racism. Worse than slavery. This is the ideology that drove the Eruopean conquests, but as we are beginning to understand and acknowledge, it was an ideology  not just limited to them.
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  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #83 - February 09, 2014, 05:58 PM
    Quote from: Craig H on February 09, 2014, 05:21 PM
    You could think of Mo as being an extremely brave and courageous warrior who was also a visionary in changing the belief system from polytheist gods to a monotheist one. However you could also think of him as being a dirty old paedophile for marrying a 6 year old girl and consummating the marriage when she was only 9.

    I am always baffled when a Muslim tries to justify this by stating it was the norm at the time. However I'm pretty sure an omnipotent and omniscient God would've explained to him how disgustingly evil this would be perceived in the not too distant future. Surely the actions of a prophet should stand the test of time and not be outdated in less than 1400 years. Considering the Earh is around 4.5 billion years old, the morals of Mo only lasted a miniscule amount of time proving he certainly was no prophet of an all powerful entity. The mere fact that if I went back in time to the 7th century, I could write a far superior book that had morality, humanity, and ethics that lasted far longer than the Quran proves Mo didn't have any divine inspiration.

    This one action of his has caused misery for 100,000's of girls in countries such as Saudi Arabia and Yemen in the last 1400years. Of course this is just one example of him being an evil bad person, there are many many more reasons which I'm sure you're all aware of.  



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  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #84 - February 09, 2014, 06:01 PM
    Yes, Jedi, you are completely right. Moreover, it's even more disturbing when you hear Muslims (especially Muslim scholars and du'aat) criticize Western imperialism while in essence defending and legitimizing Muslim imperialism. Their imperialism was in order to bring civilization and order to other nations (as if Western imperialism did not use this argument Roll Eyes ). It just shows how utterly ignorant and blind people can be. Remember one lecturer who explained how in Islam, we talk about how lands are "opened up", not conquered. Because when Muslim armies take over a region, they are there to "liberate" and "open up" the land from shirk and bring them to pure tawheed... whistling2
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #85 - February 09, 2014, 06:41 PM
    Hello three, pleased to meet you.
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #86 - February 09, 2014, 06:52 PM
    New members are encouraged to introduce themselves =) Here: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?board=2.0
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #87 - February 09, 2014, 09:42 PM
    Quote from: Cornflower on February 09, 2014, 05:42 PM
    I'm not good at keeping track of years and age of people, but it started very early on in his preaching

    .....................no one who denies allah is worth anything to you.....................

    ...................Just remember how the Muslims, once they moved to Madinah, treated their own family members who weren't Muslims. ......................

    All right I need to write  a bit  more detailed version of alleged prophet of Islam's life and life style.. but briefly let me tell you guys a story

    1). 25 year old  Abū al-Qāsim Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn ʿAbd al-Muṭṭalib ibn Hāshim (Not yet Prophet) married 40 year old beautiful rich voluptuous already twice divorced 40 year old  Khadija (RA)

    2). our Abū al-Qāsim Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh  turns 40 year old guy  and sleeps in a cave.. May  be Khadija now  60 year old   is too old  and she might have thrown him out of bed. Any ways our  Abū al-Qāsim dreams about Allah telling through the angel messenger Jibreel(learn more about Islamic angels at  http://www.iris.org.nz/angels.php) that "he is messenger of Allah" IN THAT CAVE.

    Incidentally our    Abū al-Qāsim Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh actually  saw    Jibreel with his own eyes  as angel  Jibreel's  was in his true form.  Angel  Jibreel had six hundred wings, each of which covered the horizon. There fell from his wings jewels, pearls  may be bit of poop in that cave next to our Abū al-Qāsim.  The poop could be from cave dwelling birds.  Angel  Jibreel  should be glad that he was NOT good looking young woman.  That story could have been different.  Anyways.,   so there starts journey of  our Abū al-Qāsim   as prophet of all times for all people  for ever on this earth.  

    3).   errrrr  hell with this writing GO WATCH THE TUBE

    any ways,  there was hardly any Islam until the day Khadija died  when he was 50 and prophet midlife crisis starts.  Now he his  50 year old guy. His REAL ISLAM starts after he marries Aisha when he was 53 all the way until his death at the age of  63.  So real Islam during Prophet's time was just 10 at the best 12 years.

    That is all  my client Abū al-Qāsim Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh  prophet of Islam's story.

      Now me..me being Liar.,  Oops I mean Lawyer I am willing to defend Prophet of Islam and his actions Cornflower .
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #88 - February 09, 2014, 09:44 PM
    The fact that Muhammad was a murderous pirate and slaver, and a child molester, I guess makes him a bad person to our modern sensibilities.  If he was so bad back then, I don't know.
  • Was Muhammad a bad person?
     Reply #89 - February 09, 2014, 09:55 PM
    Quote from: EzraJT on February 09, 2014, 09:44 PM
    The fact that Muhammad was a murderous pirate and slaver, and a child molester, I guess makes him a bad person to our modern sensibilities.  If he was so bad back then, I don't know.

     Nooooooo.,   it is all for allah /god and his religion

    Allah ..Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..

    So don't blame my client EzraJT.   I warn you.,   don't blame Prophet of Islam.   Go read This book

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
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