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  • 9/11
     OP - September 10, 2011, 02:40 PM
    Im aware that most of us have been affected on what happen on that day and have something to share about it as well.

    Let me start with mine

    I was at home after i finished watching football match on TV and was about to go out, but i accidentally switched the channel to CNN only to see a thick smoke billowing out of one of the twin tower buildings, i was wondering what the hell is gong on,before i could figure it out, i saw another plane crashed into the second one and then later both of the towers collapsed right before my eyes on the TV screen.it was a terrible sight to see plus another plane crashed into a pentagon as well, I had a mixed feelings toward this. It was weird seeing people jumping out of the windows because they couldnt bear the heat and smoke billowing out of the building while most muslims over here are celebreting and sees Osama Bin Laden, a suspect as a hero.i would say it was a confusing moment for me at that time.

    It was from that time i became more aware of suicide bombing. A sudden display of intense hatred of America by the muslims over here arouses my curiosity to question Islam like how i initially started from my childhood but i was discouraged.

    I dont know if its only me that this event made an impact on my perception of Islam but any one,i would like to hear your story on when you witness the incident and how you felt about it.
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #1 - September 10, 2011, 02:49 PM
    I was only 7, came back from Bangladesh like a month ago and it seemed like a normal so and so day. Mum turns on the TV and BBC 1 is just capturing this live on camera... I didn't understand most of it at the time but yeh... it was the main news EVERYWHERE.

    A few days later my dad gets a call from America, his cousins wife calls up to say her husband died in the 9/11. Pretty shitty week for the whole family since we only came back recently from a wedding in B'desh.
    07:54 <harakaat>: you must be jema
    07:54 <harakaat>: considering how annoying you are
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #2 - September 10, 2011, 04:10 PM
    School had just started when I came home and it was all over the news. I was only 11 and didn't know much about politics then so didn't really have an opinion of it.
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #3 - September 10, 2011, 04:29 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ_E7Vce8vU


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YOh-rpvjYg
    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #4 - September 10, 2011, 04:31 PM

    I've avoided the commentary and coverage. The actual memory and images of the day upsets me. Some of the commentary does too.

    America, I love you. I despise the ideology that birthed that which did this to you.

    But you need to move on now.

    (non existent) God rest the souls of all those who died that day. You will never be forgotten.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #5 - September 10, 2011, 04:59 PM
    I'm sorry but the 10th anniversary, or any anniversary of the attacks on the World Trade Centre should not be headline news.  There's far too much coverage of this anniversary.
    .
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #6 - September 10, 2011, 05:04 PM
    Chomsky: 9/11 - was there an alternative?

    http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/09/20119775453842191.html
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #7 - September 10, 2011, 05:13 PM
     Cry

    My little sister, who worked in Manhattan called.  I had just gone downstairs to
    make coffee, (i was living in NC taking care of my dad who had Parkinson's
    dosease)  "Hi, just wanted to let you know I alright"  She was six months pregnant
    with my nephew.  
    "Great, you are okay, what happened?"  
    "you havent been watching the news?"  
    "no I just got up."  
    "turn on CNN, a plane JUST crashed into the world trade center"  
    "omg! How horrible!  dad's not up yet, hang on"

    Just as I turned on the TV, the second plane crashed into the world
    trade center.  

    Shocked, I ran upstairs to wake my dad, firstly to let him know my
    sister was alright before he had a chance to turn on the tv.

    My best friend's son was a firefighter on the scene, and was killed
    from falling debris.

    I spent the next week or so in shock, grieved horribly, and couldn't
    comprihend anyone doing this, no matter how great the hatred.

    Then all the contriversial videos of people celibrating mixed with
    ALL the love and condolences sent to us from around the world.

    For a brief moment, I felt united with the world, all of us human,
    all of us so ressiliant yet so fragile.  My ptsd kicked in high gear
    as I recalled bombings during my year in Turkey (1984)
    and some very close calls I had, and why the fuck did I survive
    them, and all these people didn't.  

    I thought of all the massive bombings prior to that around the world.
    The unbelievable grief from my fellow human beings.  I cried.  ALOT.
    I carried their pain in my heart.  I cried for them, not myself.

    Then the next day, the stock I had bought many years before, worth
    like 138.00 a share (my retirement stock), got knocked down to
    4.00 a share.  It NEVER recovered, and just last year my broker sent
    me a letter and paid me 9.00 a share.  

    I left NC on Oct 5th, cuz my dad was going to move in with my little
    sister.  As I drove cross country to Nevada, everywhere I stopped, it
    was like a family reunion.  I have never experienced such a broad
    expression of "family" with Americans across the entire country.  It
    was unbelievable.  What a paradox.  
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #8 - September 10, 2011, 05:23 PM
    Quote from: Shahid Raza on September 10, 2011, 04:59 PM
    I'm sorry but the 10th anniversary, or any anniversary of the attacks on the World Trade Centre should not be headline news.  There's far too much coverage of this anniversary.


    Ok there, terrorist.
    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #9 - September 10, 2011, 05:25 PM
    Quote from: Aphrodite on September 10, 2011, 05:04 PM
    Chomsky: 9/11 - was there an alternative?

    http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/09/20119775453842191.html

    Is there a point to this article beyond "Fuck the USA"? And what does the Chilean coup and American interventionism in Latin America have anything to do with the terrorist attacks, beyond that they both relate to American foreign policy?

    This article is just confusing. Chomsky is blabbering on with no aim or conclusion. wacko
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #10 - September 10, 2011, 05:35 PM
    ^ +1
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #11 - September 10, 2011, 05:37 PM
    Quote from: Abood on September 10, 2011, 05:25 PM
    Is there a point to this article beyond "Fuck the USA"? And what does the Chilean coup and American interventionism in Latin America have anything to do with the terrorist attacks, beyond that they both relate to American foreign policy?

    This article is just confusing. Chomsky is blabbering on with no aim or conclusion. wacko


    I remember when I was a left-leaning muslim how cool I thought Chomsky was. He was like a god, who revealed the real truths of 'the system'. Now I can't help but realize what a schmuck the guy is, as far as politics goes. His linguistics is still top notch. He shoulda stuck to that.
    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #12 - September 10, 2011, 05:41 PM
    Quote from: Abood on September 10, 2011, 05:25 PM
    Is there a point to this article beyond "Fuck the USA"? And what does the Chilean coup and American interventionism in Latin America have anything to do with the terrorist attacks, beyond that they both relate to American foreign policy?

    This article is just confusing. Chomsky is blabbering on with no aim or conclusion. wacko


    I think that's what he trying to emphasise.  
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #13 - September 10, 2011, 05:46 PM
    Quote from: Jesus Christ on September 10, 2011, 05:37 PM
    I remember when I was a left-leaning muslim how cool I thought Chomsky was. He was like a god, who revealed the real truths of 'the system'. Now I can't help but realize what a schmuck the guy is, as far as politics goes. His linguistics is still top notch. He shoulda stuck to that.


    Were you an actual leftist or did you just like what he said? I know a lot of muslims who quote and share articles written by leftists (its how I found this) but aren't really leftists....
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #14 - September 10, 2011, 05:46 PM
    I have a lot of respect for him, but he's a broken record. He's been saying the same thing over and over again for ten years. Now he's writing stuff critical of American foreign policy without really making an effort to put things together, just a general middle finger to the establishment.
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #15 - September 10, 2011, 06:15 PM
    Quote from: Shahid Raza on September 10, 2011, 04:59 PM
    I'm sorry but the 10th anniversary, or any anniversary of the attacks on the World Trade Centre should not be headline news.  There's far too much coverage of this anniversary.


    Quote
    I dont know if its only me that this event made an impact on my perception of Islam but any one,i would like to hear your story on when you witness the incident and how you felt about it.

     
    This bolded part,i didnt say we should all come here and commemorate for the 10th anniversary of 9/11 Roll Eyes
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #16 - September 10, 2011, 10:20 PM
    Quote from: Jesus Christ on September 10, 2011, 05:23 PM
    Ok there, terrorist.

    Eh?

    Quote from: Naija Infidel on September 10, 2011, 06:15 PM
    This bolded part,i didnt say we should all come here and commemorate for the 10th anniversary of 9/11 Roll Eyes

    I have no problem with this thread (I was gonna make a similar thread actually).  The attacks in the World Trade Centres was definitely one of the biggest news stories in my life.

    But I don't like the way in which the anniversary of this particular terrorist attack gets so much news coverage and headlines.  And I wish it wasn't referred to by it's calendar date, ie 9/11 (or "September 11").
    .
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #17 - September 10, 2011, 10:27 PM
    Was living in Western Massachusetts. Went to get my car serviced. While at the shop heard about one of the towers being on fire on the radio. Got back after the car was ready and turned on the TV at which point it was becoming clear it was a terrorist attack of some sort. Just kept thinking "Please don't let it be Arabs or leftists, please don't let it be Arabs or leftists-- please let it be neo-Nazis, we can all agree to hate them", then they flashed Osama's picture on the news and I just said "Oh, shit". Called my friends in NY but circuits were jammed, would be another couple of days before I could get through.

    My family called me (the White side of my family who raised me) and first they asked if I was okay cause they knew I frequently went down to NY to visit my friends, then when I said yes, they asked if the Feds had come by to question me yet. I said no but it's early yet (they didn't come until 2 years later when I was living in NYC to ask about a Palestinian political activist I'd met a total of two times in my life, but I became aware they were investigating me because of my association to him a couple months after the attacks).

    Then I went to the liquor store, got four 40s of Schlitz and a 1.75L of Jameson and proceeded to get drunk for two days straight. Was really pissed off about the attacks and also to know what consequences they would bring (wide-scale repression and even more loss of life), and was thinking they should take OBL, his goons and the CIA fuckers who trained them back in the day and kill the lot of them-- though I knew the latter part would never happen, but it should. Spent the rest of the time worrying about the impending clampdown and listened to "Clampdown", "Guns of Brixton", and "A Pair of Brown Eyes" over and over again whilst pounding drinks and chewing Percs. The clampdown did come of course but it wasn't nearly as bad as I expected-- wasn't until later I realized that's cause the country was already such a police state there wasn't much more to be done but round up the Arab foreign nationals, deport them, and step up existing surveillance/infiltration efforts on dissident groups. Stupidly believed Bush would be our Hitler-- took a while for me to realize it really had nothing to do with Bush.

    Spent the next few weeks being disgusted at those who tried to spin the tragedy in a positive light saying how it brought us together, etc, etc, knowing damn well there wasn't one good thing about what happened or anything that came from it. Still think it's one of the worst single acts to have befallen this country and the world in general. What the 9/11 hijackers released on the world that day was a maelstrom of death and oppression and misery that would continue well beyond 2001, and do nothing but make lives for Muslims even fucking worse. It still amazes me how many people there are willing to inflict such death and misery on people who profess the same religion as they do. Not just that, but killing their countrymen, their blood.

    Ugh.

    Quote from: Jesus Christ on September 10, 2011, 05:37 PM
    I remember when I was a left-leaning muslim how cool I thought Chomsky was. He was like a god, who revealed the real truths of 'the system'. Now I can't help but realize what a schmuck the guy is, as far as politics goes. His linguistics is still top notch. He shoulda stuck to that.


    What fault do you find in his analysis?

    Personally I find his analysis of "the system", as you put it, to be quite accurate-- it's his prescriptions I find lacking. Feel the same way about Marx.
    fuck you
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #18 - September 10, 2011, 10:34 PM
    Quote from: Shahid Raza on September 10, 2011, 10:20 PM
    Eh?


    Don't act coy with me, ahmed.
    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #19 - September 10, 2011, 10:44 PM
    was at home watching it all on tv. had to get on a plane to go canada with my mum and brother (who looks arab) a week later, so yeah was getting a few stares, understandable i guess.

    slightly off-topic, i really hate conspiracy theories, but one thing i've been getting the impression of is that the plane that crashed down in pensylvania was actually shot down by an american jet rather than passengers making it inside the cockpit and stopping the terrorists - anyone in US have any thoughts on this?
    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #20 - September 10, 2011, 10:53 PM
    Plausible but unlikely in my opinion.
    fuck you
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #21 - September 10, 2011, 11:02 PM
    i was watching this 9/11 film the other day (the one with harvey keitel), and apparently Bush definitely gave the order that the plane could be shot down and there were eyewitness reports of an f-16 in the air where the plane went down, and apparently dick cheyney once made a slip about the plane being shot down
    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #22 - September 10, 2011, 11:25 PM
    Quote from: Blade Gunner on September 10, 2011, 10:44 PM
    was at home watching it all on tv. had to get on a plane to go canada with my mum and brother (who looks arab) a week later, so yeah was getting a few stares, understandable i guess.

    slightly off-topic, i really hate conspiracy theories, but one thing i've been getting the impression of is that the plane that crashed down in pensylvania was actually shot down by an american jet rather than passengers making it inside the cockpit and stopping the terrorists - anyone in US have any thoughts on this?


    There is a recording out there from another jet seeing the wings rock back and forth and the plane acting erratically.  The time time puts it after it was hijacked so the theory was either the hijacker was rocking the plane to disorient and knock down the passengers.  It is possible that it happened and the jets did have permission to shoot down any aircraft that didn't respond but I doubt that is something you could cover up with hundreds of people going though the wreckage.  A  missile exploding would be way to obvious.  It is possible but unlikely. 
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #23 - September 10, 2011, 11:35 PM
    Quote from: Blade Gunner on September 10, 2011, 11:02 PM
    i was watching this 9/11 film the other day (the one with harvey keitel), and apparently Bush definitely gave the order that the plane could be shot down and there were eyewitness reports of an f-16 in the air where the plane went down, and apparently dick cheyney once made a slip about the plane being shot down

    A lot of the things in those 9/11 inside job movies are taken out of context. I have seen several of them and read/seen many things debunking them. More or less they're just bullshit.
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #24 - September 10, 2011, 11:36 PM
    Quote
    "Please don't let it be Arabs or leftists, please don't let it be Arabs or leftists-- please let it be neo-Nazis, we can all agree to hate them",


    @Rev:This got me laughing when i read this part, sounds like it was one of your bad moments at that time.
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #25 - September 11, 2011, 09:00 AM
    Quote from: Abood on September 10, 2011, 11:35 PM
    A lot of the things in those 9/11 inside job movies are taken out of context. I have seen several of them and read/seen many things debunking them. More or less they're just bullshit.


    Note to self: stop believing everything you see on the Internet.

    Before it gets too late, you will find escape.
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #26 - September 11, 2011, 03:29 PM
    Quote from: Abood on September 10, 2011, 11:35 PM
    A lot of the things in those 9/11 inside job movies are taken out of context. I have seen several of them and read/seen many things debunking them. More or less they're just bullshit.


    the film wasn't an inside job movie - it was just alluding to a couple of things that happened that day, but made no conclusions. it's the only one i've seen since it was on tv a couple of days ago. but yeah i guess its more than likely that it crashed down the way the investigation said rather than being shot down
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  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #27 - September 11, 2011, 03:54 PM
    just posted something really offensive and decided to take it down,

    suffice it to say there is much worse stuff in the world and to me it just seems like political powers try to ensure that people feel this was the most awful day and purposely leave the 9/11 wound open so as to use sentiment and trauma to rally up irrational anger against people who were completely innocent and suffer much worse than America on 9/11
    "The words that oscillate between nonsense and supreme meaning are the oldest and truest." - C.G. Jung
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #28 - September 11, 2011, 03:59 PM
    Quote from: saleri on September 11, 2011, 03:54 PM
    ugh,

    there is alot more worse shit in the world an i am so tired of america hogging the air waves because its a fat rich kid that got stung one day, the rest of the world has 9/11 everyday...


    Ok... I sort of agree with you up to an extent. But seriously, what about the poor janitors (usually from some third world country) that died?
    Formerly known as Iblis
  • Re: 9/11
     Reply #29 - September 11, 2011, 04:00 PM
    Quote from: Jesus Christ on September 11, 2011, 03:59 PM
    Ok... I sort of agree with you up to an extent. But seriously, what about the poor janitors (usually from some third world country) that died?


    yea that's what i took down,

    i would agree with you, about the iraqi guy living in his house who had that bomb drop on him. Then his children being told it was just a mistake we were trying to get the bad guy. No minute silence, memorial for him.

    at least that janitor had his name written down alongside the other 9/11 victims i.e. remembered
    "The words that oscillate between nonsense and supreme meaning are the oldest and truest." - C.G. Jung
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