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  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #30 - October 03, 2011, 06:53 PM
    Cool!   Wink

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    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
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  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #31 - October 03, 2011, 07:00 PM
    haha....hey nice to see ....assembly is just my darling....Smiley ...but didnt get chance to do much work on it
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  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #32 - October 03, 2011, 07:17 PM
    Always learn this Beauty Wink
    Little Fly, Thy summer's play
    My thoughtless hand has brushed away.

    I too dance and drink, and sing,
    Till some blind hand shall brush my wing.

    Therefore I am a happy fly,
    If I live or if I die.
  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #33 - October 03, 2011, 07:55 PM
    Quote from: Gladfly on October 03, 2011, 06:53 PM
    MOV AL, 61h   = love


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    I wonder if anyone knows what that does without googling it Smiley
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  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #34 - October 03, 2011, 08:00 PM
    Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on October 03, 2011, 02:46 PM
    Why? I don't understand.


    Occam's razor says to remove any unnecessary features.

    So, an all-powerful all-knowing entity created the universe.  What does Occam's razor say?

    1: The entity doesn't need to be all-powerful, it only needs to be powerful enough to create a universe.
    2: It doesn't need to know everything, only how to create a universe.

    In addition to this, Occam's razor does *not* dictate that one all-powerful god is more likely that two.  Sure two *infinitely powerful* gods are not needed, but then again two entities which are only capable of making half a universe have far fewer possible redundancies that a single all-powerful one.

    Multiple semi-powerful entities are no more or less likely to have created the universe according to Occam's razor, it's a false representation; and if we do apply Occam's razor properly we ultimately only need "a thing that can create a universe" and do not need to attribute omnipotence/omniscience/omnipresence/immortality to it at all.
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  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #35 - October 03, 2011, 11:00 PM
    Quote from: kartoos on October 03, 2011, 06:07 PM

    PZ Myers gave good arguments , but he was not giving them strongly ....i mean, it seems that he is also not sure about what to say ..............what do you guys think ? may be i am missing something


    I think his responses and handling was just right. It was pretty evident that hamza quickly demonstrated he was out of his depth there.
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  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #36 - October 04, 2011, 07:25 AM
    If dawkins were to debate WLC , He would get his asskicked tbh. He doesn't know enough about philosphy. Just like if WLC were to debate him on ID vs evolution dawkins would kick his ass Cheesy.

    The kalam fails once you put  it into a scinetfic prespective and quite pivotal  Tongue



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  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #37 - October 04, 2011, 08:14 AM
    Quote from: Skeptic on October 04, 2011, 07:25 AM
    If dawkins were to debate WLC , He would get his asskicked tbh. He doesn't know enough about philosphy. Just like if WLC were to debate him on ID vs evolution dawkins would kick his ass Cheesy.

    The kalam fails once you put  it into a scinetfic prespective and quite pivotal  Tongue


    There is no way for Dawkins to "win" such a debate.  The theist benefits purely from the fact that the debate took place, the outcome is irrelevant.
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  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #38 - October 05, 2011, 02:50 AM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on October 04, 2011, 08:14 AM
    There is no way for Dawkins to "win" such a debate.  The theist benefits purely from the fact that the debate took place, the outcome is irrelevant.


    If the implication is that debating those with unsubstantiated viewpoints lends those viewpoints credibility, I don't think that can always be said to be the case. If done properly I think the opposite end can be achieved, no?
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  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #39 - October 05, 2011, 02:57 AM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on October 04, 2011, 08:14 AM
    There is no way for Dawkins to "win" such a debate.  The theist benefits purely from the fact that the debate took place, the outcome is irrelevant.

    The Muslims trust so much that Hamza knows what he's doing and wouldn't debate with Dawkins unless he was clearly wrong and easy to defeat... they probably don't pay attention to the debate or even watch it at all.

    It really grinds my gears. Why is this so common among Muslims? It's likes they don't know how a debate works, or how to decide whic argument is right or wrong
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  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #40 - October 05, 2011, 08:00 AM
    Quote from: asbdsp on October 05, 2011, 02:50 AM
    If the implication is that debating those with unsubstantiated viewpoints lends those viewpoints credibility, I don't think that can always be said to be the case. If done properly I think the opposite end can be achieved, no?


    No.  Some people would be convinced by Dawkins for sure, however what would happen afterwards is that Hamza would do lots of touring where he does talks on his own and would be presented as the man who debated Dawkins, Hitchens, etc "and stood his ground."  The talks are aimed at promotion of the individual, not aimed at convincing anyone.  They can then tell school children "Nobody is sure about evolution, just look at how much the subject is still being debated after 200 years!"



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  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #41 - October 05, 2011, 11:27 AM
    Rash you are right, by having a public debates with theists your giving them an equal footing and plausibility/credibility to their pseudo intellectual/scientific ideas. You are basically giving them your personal stamp of approval & endorsement.

    Would a highly revered academic be seen having a public debate with anyone about the existence of dragons or fairies with someone who believes in them ? ....
  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #42 - October 05, 2011, 11:40 AM
    Quote from: MoeAlharbi on October 05, 2011, 02:57 AM
    It really grinds my gears. Why is this so common among Muslims? It's likes they don't know how a debate works, or how to decide whic argument is right or wrong


    the thing with a debate on a sentimental opinion(ie religion) you can use stirring up peoples emotions to win the debate cos belief is a emotion.

    Prompt all the energetic heart warming rabble rousing chest thumping passionate rhetoric from blokes like hamza that gives muzzies goosebumps and makes the hair ot the back of their necks stand up and feel oh so happy & proud about islam & being a muslim .... so YAY cos of that he won the argument !  Roll Eyes

    i've noticed with talks given by muzzies too(well all religionists). There's little application of common, sense logic, rationale & intelligence instead it's all feel good about yourself being a muslim rhetoric...but hey "aren't we so glad and lucky to be born muslims"  Roll Eyes
  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #43 - October 05, 2011, 11:49 AM
    Hamza is a bit like Fatihah, in that almost every single sentence he utters is nonsense and requires challenging.  In these formal debates, you cannot do this.
    Imagine letting Fatihah ramble on for twenty minutes. The volume of bullshit you would end up with would be so huge, that you wouldn't even know where to begin.

  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #44 - October 05, 2011, 12:35 PM
    Quote from: serpentofeden on October 05, 2011, 11:40 AM
    Prompt all the energetic heart warming rabble rousing chest thumping passionate rhetoric from blokes like hamza that gives muzzies goosebumps and makes the hair ot the back of their necks stand up and feel oh so happy & proud about islam & being a muslim .... so YAY cos of that he won the argument !

    i've noticed with talks given by muzzies too(well all religionists). There's little application of common, sense logic, rationale & intelligence instead it's all feel good about yourself being a muslim rhetoric...but hey "aren't we so glad and lucky to be born muslims"  Roll Eyes

    Christopher Hitchens wouldn't let that slide through Wink He would call him out on his bullshit and, if pissed enough, would even use it against him!

    Quote from: dr_sloth on October 05, 2011, 11:49 AM
    Hamza is a bit like Fatihah, in that almost every single sentence he utters is nonsense and requires challenging.  In these formal debates, you cannot do this.
    Imagine letting Fatihah ramble on for twenty minutes. The volume of bullshit you would end up with would be so huge, that you wouldn't even know where to begin.

    Fatihah would probably "win" debates as well if he/she were in Hamzas shoes  Roll Eyes
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  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #45 - October 05, 2011, 05:51 PM
    Quote from: dr_sloth on October 03, 2011, 06:19 PM
    i think the whole concept of 'science in the quran' is such a joke to real scientists, that they dont really even want to be associated with it. They dont want to be seen to be bullying these idiots.


    I recall even back when I followed Islam I would be utterly embarrassed by these sorts of pathetic attempts to ‘prove’ the scientific nature of the qur’an.
  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #46 - November 05, 2011, 03:12 PM
    Debating in the usual sense is highly flawed.

    When I was a Muslim, I won my debates with atheists, when I'm an atheist, I win my debate with Muslims.

    It's all about chest beating indeed, and the better your command of language the higher the chance of winning.

    I propose an alternative format: A reasonably intelligent CHILD is on the stage, and both sides try to convince the child of their views. In public, so as to avoid any situation of molestation (Christian) or being eaten (atheist).

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  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #47 - November 05, 2011, 03:14 PM
    That's a disgusting idea.
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  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #48 - November 05, 2011, 03:25 PM
    Why? We begin life both impressionable AND very skeptical. Indoctrination occurs when only ONE side is presented with repetition.

    If telling a child one thing is socially acceptable, why is 2 things disgusting.  wacko

    I mean like a skeptical 12 year old or something. Not someone in primary 1. popcorn
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  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #49 - November 05, 2011, 03:29 PM
    You have kids? Your use of "disgusting" seemed quite irrational.

    disgusting - highly offensive; arousing aversion or disgust; "a disgusting smell"; "distasteful language"; "a loathsome disease"; "the idea of eating meat is repellent to me"; "revolting food"; "a wicked stench"
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  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #50 - November 05, 2011, 04:16 PM
    The idea of putting my young impressionable child on a stage and having two people trying to convince it that two opposite things are true would be an unpleasant and deeply upsetting experience; and for what? So that someone with more pride than compassion can prove to an audience that they have the argument most convincing to a child.

    Yes I do have kids, and yes, disgusting!
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  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #51 - November 05, 2011, 04:27 PM
    Stage..doesn't need to be, just in the audience, in fact a whole classroom would be better.

    Again...disgusting?

    Child rape is disgusting...enough with the emo. thnkyu
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  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #52 - November 05, 2011, 04:30 PM
    The whole point is so that Hamza Tzortzis can't hide behind flowery language anymore, he'd have to use simpler terms, and thus, expose his nonsense for what it is.

    If that causes you revulsion...then.  Google it billy
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  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #53 - November 05, 2011, 04:38 PM
    It's mental abuse of the child in order to satisfy your own ego, yes that does disgust me.

    You might find the following search results ironically useful.
    http://tinyurl.com/6ehfxzp
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  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #54 - November 05, 2011, 04:49 PM
    I used to watch debates between Christians and Muslims when I was 13.

    Maybe it would be abuse for the average minds.
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  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #55 - November 05, 2011, 04:51 PM
    Never even thought to watch atheist debates, already knew that atheist = retard, no need to explore THAT one further. bedtime2
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  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #56 - November 07, 2011, 02:45 PM
    he is begging for more money to spam his embryology crap
    http://www.justgiving.com/iERA-Embryology-Research

    i do like the front cover. But I very much suspect that it goes downhill after that

    I tried to donate £0.01 (without gift aid), but there is a £2.00 minimum
  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #57 - November 07, 2011, 02:54 PM

    He's a piece of work this fella.

    Spamming is the right word:

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    iERA Research has spent months researching a paper entitled "Embryology in the Qur'an: A Scientific-Linguistic Analysis of Chapter 23". The old arguments from the 1990s have been updated with modern references. Academic as well as popular contentions have been responded to including the claim that the Prophet Muhammad (upon whom be peace) plagiarised the works of Aristotle and Galen.

    We believe this paper has the potential to open the window of opportunity for academics and students of science to be encouraged to engage with the Qur'an and think about its message.

    We want to print 15,000 copies to send to academics and students up and down the UK. There are thousands of medical students, scientists and people who are interested in this topic, therefore we want them to have the opportunity to approach the Qur'an - and we believe this is a great way in achieving that. What better way to give the message of Islam to a much neglected group of people? The scientific community is an influential community, and to make an impact with them would surely help the cause of Islam. Remember: every drop raises the ocean!

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  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #58 - November 07, 2011, 03:58 PM
    How about making it free to download on your website? That is far cheaper and will reach many more people.
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  • Re: hamza tzortzis
     Reply #59 - November 07, 2011, 04:20 PM


    But thousands of scientists and students who are influential in society and whose assent would be influential in spreading Islam wouldn't be bothered to download it even for free, whereas printing all those hard copies would mean he could send them, shove it in their faces and hand them out with great fanfare (and photo opportunities for further dawah ganda)

    Fling enough wet crap on the wall, hopefully something will stick.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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