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 Topic: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O

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  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #60 - March 07, 2012, 06:53 PM

    A lot of men are into 'fashion' too , therefore shopping as well.  In fact men now surpass women when it comes to spending their time in the bathroom getting ready to go out. These 'stereotypes' don't fit today's reality.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1249709/Rise-metrosexual-Men-spend-longer-getting-ready-women.html

  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #61 - March 07, 2012, 08:08 PM

    Really?
    Not that you find that annoying but that you would really incounter that many people who felt that way.

    Don't you find that most people understand complex nature of people, their interests, goals, and abilities.


    No I said some people, and yes I've come across some people who judge like that.

    ETA: Encounter*

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #62 - March 07, 2012, 08:29 PM

    Women into shoe shopping = sexy.
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #63 - March 07, 2012, 10:16 PM

    A lot of men are into 'fashion' too , therefore shopping as well.  In fact men now surpass women when it comes to spending their time in the bathroom getting ready to go out.

    Speak for yourself. Tongue

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #64 - March 09, 2012, 03:30 PM

    No I said some people, and yes I've come across some people who judge like that.

    ETA: Encounter*


    Sorry you feel a need to correct my spelling. English has so many stupid spelling rules but my new phone has a some features  to help me with that.


    So when you encounter people who judge  that way what do you think a solution  is?

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #65 - March 09, 2012, 03:41 PM

    Speak for yourself. Tongue


    So is that bragging Osmanthus?
    Just how little time do you spend getting  ready?
    Perhaps we could have pole or contest  to see if COMB men or women take longer to get ready.  LO)L Maybe it doesn't depend on men or women maybe it depends on country of origin or age or what is getting ready for.
    Maybe it doesn't even matter.

    If at first you succeed...try something harder.

    Failing isn't falling down. Failing is not getting back up again.
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #66 - October 03, 2012, 06:07 PM

    Sorry it's in Spanish but you'll get the idea. The general idea

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGMtO0gMfSI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #67 - October 06, 2012, 05:31 PM

    Friendzone..... not even once.
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #68 - November 03, 2012, 11:01 PM

    Do you think men and women can be friends?


    This question makes me want to sandpaper my eyeballs.
    The assumption made by such a question is that we're all heterosexual. This is incorrect.
    The second assumption made is that we all define ourselves as men and/or women. This is incorrect.
    In essence, what is being asked here is 'Do you think a human and a human can be friends?'
    My reply would be, yah, they can.



    The video just insults cis men by suggesting that they're incapable of platonic relationships because of their (presumably high) sex drive.
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #69 - November 03, 2012, 11:03 PM

    +1 cognisance

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--AcYR6axgA
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #70 - November 03, 2012, 11:04 PM

    Friendzone..... not even once.


    Quote
    "Slut" is how we vilify a woman for exercising her right to say "yes". "Friendzone" is how we vilify a woman for exercising her right to say "no".

  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #71 - November 03, 2012, 11:11 PM

    This question makes me want to sandpaper my eyeballs.
    The assumption made by such a question is that we're all heterosexual. This is incorrect.
    The second assumption made is that we all define ourselves as men and/or women. This is incorrect.
    In essence, what is being asked here is 'Do you think a human and a human can be friends?'
    My reply would be, yah, they can.



    The video just insults cis men by suggesting that they're incapable of platonic relationships because of their (presumably high) sex drive.


    +1

    Its a bullshit question . if you ask me. "Do we have free will?", "Is there a God?", "Can women and men be friends?" - its all bullshit. Of course they can!

    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #72 - November 04, 2012, 12:17 PM

    The assumption made by such a question is that we're all heterosexual. This is incorrect.


    I'm pretty sure the question is intended towards heterosexual men and women.
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    The second assumption made is that we all define ourselves as men and/or women. This is incorrect.


    Wut?


    Quote
    "Slut" is how we vilify a woman for exercising her right to say "yes". "Friendzone" is how we vilify a woman for exercising her right to say "no".


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    ''pervert'' is how we vilify a man for exercising his right to say ''yes''. ''Gay'' is how we vilify a man for exercising his right to say ''no''.


    See how double standards exist for men too and it's not only women?

    I have to say though that a women saying ''no'' doesn't automatically mean you're friend-zoned and wouldn't necessary put the blame on women for it. It's all the beta white knights who can't take a hint and still desperately think they have a chance and cling onto her, which leads to the woman having no chance but to ''friend zone'' him.
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #73 - November 04, 2012, 12:29 PM

    A lot of men are into 'fashion' too , therefore shopping as well.  In fact men now surpass women when it comes to spending their time in the bathroom getting ready to go out. These 'stereotypes' don't fit today's reality.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1249709/Rise-metrosexual-Men-spend-longer-getting-ready-women.html





    So no real study, and only a 'survey', and that too from a specific store, which has lead to that conclusion.



    Seems legit.
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #74 - November 04, 2012, 02:11 PM

    I'm pretty sure the question is intended towards heterosexual men and women.


    The sexual orientation was not specified, but was assumed under the labels 'men' and 'women' marginalizing and ignoring those groups who do not identify with those labels.

    ''pervert'' is how we vilify a man for exercising his right to say ''yes''. ''Gay'' is how we vilify a man for exercising his right to say ''no''.

    See how double standards exist for men too and it's not only women?

    I have to say though that a women saying ''no'' doesn't automatically mean you're friend-zoned and wouldn't necessary put the blame on women for it. It's all the beta white knights who can't take a hint and still desperately think they have a chance and cling onto her, which leads to the woman having no chance but to ''friend zone'' him.


    I think you need to check your male privilege. Men have never been denied their basic human rights in the same way women have, they do not suffer because of their gender the same way women do. Comparing 'slut' and 'friend-zone' to 'pervert' and 'gay' is not the same and using someone's identity to mock and shame others is just foul.

    The very fact that there is this friend-zone rubbish going around is shameful.
    We're all attracted to different people.
    Hearing 'no' and being rejected is a natural part of life, regarding relationships or otherwise.
    But, you must remember that being a woman and rejecting a man can be dangerous - we live in a rape culture which makes it alright for (some) men to harass women in public (and private) spaces, this involves being stalked, groped, or having a man not respect your personal space and/or leave you alone unless he gets your number, domestic violence, rape, incest etc I think you get my jist...

    All that I get from this friend-zone BS is that those who advocate its use have a problem with women who say NO and a weak ego. And they lack the capacity to be good friends without deceiving others with the pretence of 'friendship' so that they get laid/in a relationship.

    FYI, suggesting men suffer because they get called pervert for saying yes and 'gay' for saying no is not 'double standards'. It's just a poor misandry attempt. We live in a sexist (and classist, ableist, racist) patriarchal society which benefits men more than women, and benefits straight white men more than other groups and benefits straight white women more than other groups and so on. I mean, how many words are there in the dictionary which describe men as 'sluts'?
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #75 - November 04, 2012, 04:57 PM

    The sexual orientation was not specified, but was assumed under the labels 'men' and 'women' marginalizing and ignoring those groups who do not identify with those labels.


    Yes I know, but why would the video appeal to gay men/women anyway?

    You're now only nitpicking the linguistics of the title. It's pretty clear who the target audience is intended for.

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    I think you need to check your male privilege.

    Wut?
    Quote
    Men have never been denied their basic human rights in the same way women have,

    Define basic human rights?

    Also, as you have clearly written, this was in the past. How does the past affect the present generation of men and women?
    Quote
    they do not suffer because of their gender the same way women do.

    Any evidence of this in the Western world?
    Quote
    Comparing 'slut' and 'friend-zone' to 'pervert' and 'gay' is not the same

    I agree because labeling someone as a 'pervert' carries much more negative connotations than being labelled a 'slut'.

    Quote
    The very fact that there is this friend-zone rubbish going around is shameful.


    Perhaps it's from people's personal experience.

    Why do you think it's rubbish?

    How can you come to this conclusion without providing any reasons on why it's rubbish?

    It's pretty clear, just by going on anecdotal evidence, that many men do believe in the friend zone because of their personal experiences.

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    Hearing 'no' and being rejected is a natural part of life, regarding relationships or otherwise.


    Yes I agree, and like I said before, I blame the men for being beta white knights for not being able to disregard someone who rejected them as opposed clinging to them desperately.
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    But, you must remember that being a woman and rejecting a man can be dangerous - we live in a rape culture which makes it alright for (some) men to harass women in public (and private) spaces

    Are you telling me that men are encouraged to harass women? Which culture have you been living in? As far as I'm aware, the law takes harassing very seriously, if what you are saying is the case, then men would be free to harass women.

    Quote
    this involves being stalked, groped, or having a man not respect your personal space and/or leave you alone unless he gets your number,  domestic violence, rape, incest etc I think you get my jist...

    This is only a very small minority of men who think it's right to do this and like I said before the law (In Western countries at least) takes this very seriously.

    Also what do you think when some women do the same to men? Don't you think that there should also be some more focus on this as well? Because it's not only women who are the victims of sexual abuse and domestic violence (Along with all the other things you wrote).

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    All that I get from this friend-zone BS is that those who advocate its use have a problem with women who say NO and a weak ego.

    I agree. The men who get rejected should man up and accept this reality.
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    And they lack the capacity to be good friends without deceiving others with the pretense of 'friendship' so that they get laid/in a relationship.


    And what about those women who use these men to their advantage? For example; get these men to do stuff for them, buy them things ect.

    Surely the some women who take advantage of such men should also bare the blame. At the moment, you're putting all the blame on men.

    Quote
    FYI, suggesting men suffer because they get called pervert for saying yes and 'gay' for saying no is not 'double standards'. It's just a poor misandry attempt.

    I can also say the same about your comparison.

    See, at the moment, you are refusing to believe that women can do anything wrong, and that men are all evil, holding women back.
    Quote
    We live in a sexist

    Please elborate, I'd love to hear your reasoning for this. (I'm talking specifically the Western world here)
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    which benefits men more than women,

    As above.
    Quote
    and benefits straight white men more than other groups and benefits straight white women more than other groups and so on.

    I don't really think so.
    Quote
    I mean, how many words are there in the dictionary which describe men as 'sluts'?

    So what is your point to this? How many words are there in the dictionary which describe women as 'perverts'?


  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #76 - November 04, 2012, 05:03 PM

    Here we go...
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #77 - November 04, 2012, 05:11 PM

    Here we go...

     popcorn
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #78 - November 04, 2012, 06:25 PM

    PWNAGE  

     popcorn

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #79 - November 04, 2012, 06:33 PM

    popcorn



    So...Who's the guy in your avatar?...*ahem* 

     whistling2

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #80 - November 04, 2012, 06:35 PM

    Zyzz, or Aziz Shavershian, dead internet celebrity/bodybuilder.

    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #81 - November 04, 2012, 06:36 PM

    Zyzz, or Aziz Shavershian, dead internet celebrity/bodybuilder.


    Oh.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #82 - November 04, 2012, 06:40 PM

    So...Who's the guy in your avatar?...*ahem*  

     whistling2


    An artists's rendition of how I will look when I reach my goal physique.
     whistling2


    inb4 my dick falls off because of the 'roid abuse.

  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #83 - November 04, 2012, 06:40 PM

    Zyzz, or Aziz Shavershian, dead internet celebrity/bodybuilder.


    Watchout your comments bro.........
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #84 - November 04, 2012, 06:47 PM

    An artists's rendition of how I will look when I reach my goal physique.
     whistling2


    inb4 my dick falls off because of the 'roid abuse.



    They don't fall off, they just shrink to the point you can no longer see them.
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #85 - November 04, 2012, 06:49 PM

    They don't fall off,


    They
    They
    They
    They
    They
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #86 - November 04, 2012, 06:51 PM

    Apparently more than one penis exists in the world. This is just a rumour though.
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #87 - November 04, 2012, 06:52 PM

    They
    They
    They
    They
    They

    Is that a textual hardon? Impressive.
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #88 - November 04, 2012, 06:56 PM

    Apparently more than one penis exists in the world. This is just a rumour though.

    I can confirm, I am the penis.


    Is that a textual hardon? Impressive.


     Cheesy

    Also strong avatar to post content correlation.
  • Re: Men and Women Can't be Friends :O
     Reply #89 - November 04, 2012, 08:09 PM

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    Yes I know, but why would the video appeal to gay men/women anyway?

    You're now only nitpicking the linguistics of the title. It's pretty clear who the target audience is intended for.


    Because this is what you have to do to challenge heteronormative structures and to acknowledge the variety of relationships and genders there are. By continually ‘assuming’ we’re just oppressing non-heterosexual groups further and being pedantic is a step closer towards breaking free from our socialisation into heteronormativity.

    Quote
    Wut?


    google.com, search ‘male privilege’…

    Or let me know if you want me to give you a list of relevant websites.


    Quote
    Define basic human rights?

    Also, as you have clearly written, this was in the past. How does the past affect the present generation of men and women?


    I apologise if I was not clear earlier. I never suggested that sexism was a problem of the past, it is most definitely still a problem today – yes, even in ‘the west’. Patriarchy is harmful to everyone, even though men benefit from it more than women (read ‘Understanding Patriarchy’ by bell hooks if you’re really interested in this). 

    Basic human rights consist of being seen as human (men are seen as human, whereas women are seen as the other), having the freedom to walk around without fearing for your life, not being discriminated against for having children, not being paid less than male colleagues who do the same job, not being shamed for having a sex drive and sleeping with people, single mothers not being blamed for society’s problems, not being blamed for being raped because of clothing, not being asked during interviews if you want kids and how you’re going to balance work & family… etc

    Quote
    Any evidence of this in the Western world?


    For more examples look at; http://www.everydaysexism.com/ and http://athousandreasons.com/

    Quote
    I agree because labeling someone as a 'pervert' carries much more negative connotations than being labelled a 'slut'.


    Oh yeah, remember that kid who killed himself because someone called him a pervert.

    Victims of Slut-shaming;
    http://www.gurl.com/2012/10/26/felicia-garcia-slut-shaming-suicide/
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/26/amanda-todd-suicide-social-media-sexualisation
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/07/jessica-logan-suicide-par_n_382825.html


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    Perhaps it's from people's personal experience.

    Why do you think it's rubbish?

    How can you come to this conclusion without providing any reasons on why it's rubbish?

    It's pretty clear, just by going on anecdotal evidence, that many men do believe in the friend zone because of their personal experiences.


    If so many men ‘believe’ in friend-zoning, then we must question why these men feel entitled to women. What is wrong with these men that when a woman decides she is not interested in them makes them invent friend-zoning in order to console themselves? Many people also believe in aliens, there is anecdotal evidence of them being probed in the butt, but so what? It’s easy to believe in bullshit, you’re proof of that.


    Quote
    Yes I agree, and like I said before, I blame the men for being beta white knights for not being able to disregard someone who rejected them as opposed clinging to them desperately.


    OK.

    Quote
    Are you telling me that men are encouraged to harass women? Which culture have you been living in? As far as I'm aware, the law takes harassing very seriously, if what you are saying is the case, then men would be free to harass women.

    This is only a very small minority of men who think it's right to do this and like I said before the law (In Western countries at least) takes this very seriously.

    Also what do you think when some women do the same to men? Don't you think that there should also be some more focus on this as well? Because it's not only women who are the victims of sexual abuse and domestic violence (Along with all the other things you wrote).


    I wouldn’t say encouraged, but there are many men who feel that it is acceptable to harass women, of course harassment of this sort is often disguised as being complimentary. But, it’s still harassment. Sexual harassment is something (most) women have to deal with every time they leave the house and an example of your male privilege is being able to walk around town without experiencing any of this (or very rarely).

    I’d expect the law to take rape seriously too, but it’s often the case that most rapists don’t even get prosecuted. Not to mention victim-blaming and the fact that most women don’t report it. Why don’t they report it? Because of the stigma attached to it, because they’re blamed for ‘leading’ the men on, or they won’t be believed, or the fact that rape jokes and rape culture encourage women to keep such experiences to themselves.

    ‘A national study estimates only 37% of reported rapes are prosecuted. 18% of prosecuted rape cases end in a conviction.’ (http://www.uky.edu/CRVAW/files/TopTen/07_Rape_Prosecution.pdf) 

    Of course this happens to men! The majority of the victims are women and this is obvious considering the sexist, patriarchal culture we inhabit. Now, if you want to discuss how men are affected by all this and how they’re disregarded as victims because patriarchal thinking constructs men as ‘always being up for sex’ and being ‘real men’ (and therefore not being victims of domestic violence and rape) then we can do that elsewhere. But you cannot challenge my points regarding women and the sexism they experience with ‘it happens to men too!’ You’re just hijacking the conversation with your ‘OMGZ MISANDRIST!’ cries.


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    I agree. The men who get rejected should man up and accept this reality.


    ‘Man-up’ is another thing used to keep male victims of rape/domestic violence etc silent.

    Quote
    And what about those women who use these men to their advantage? For example; get these men to do stuff for them, buy them things ect.

    Surely the some women who take advantage of such men should also bare the blame. At the moment, you're putting all the blame on men.


    OK, it happens, but what’s the connection?

    Quote
    I can also say the same about your comparison.

    See, at the moment, you are refusing to believe that women can do anything wrong, and that men are all evil, holding women back.

    Please elborate, I'd love to hear your reasoning for this. (I'm talking specifically the Western world here)

    So what is your point to this? How many words are there in the dictionary which describe women as 'perverts'?

    Never said that men are evil nor did I say men are holding women back. Pointing out the realities of a gender you do not belong to should not be seen as a personal attack, it’s a learning opportunity. There is a lot you take for granted because you do not experience it. Male reality is not objective human reality. 

    By the way, I was always on about the western world to begin with, as I live in the west and my experiences/knowledge/readings are based on western feminism.
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