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 Topic: Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?

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  • Re: Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #30 - February 29, 2012, 02:08 AM



    Which one bloke was worse Hitler or the Mufti. Like I said if you read about him, he comes over as nationalist. His 'followers' would have been anti-zionist nationalists.

    no none of them were worse.,  You and me are worse because we don't understand what they did

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #31 - February 29, 2012, 02:09 AM

    Just found this fascinating comment that racism is an import from Islam!

    The Legacy of Arab-Islam in Africa: A Quest for Inter-religious Dialogue [Paperback]
    John Allembillah Azumah   Amazon.co.uk reviews


    Racism is islamically inspired!! You have lost the plot Cheesy - It has judiac and christian traditions.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #32 - February 29, 2012, 02:12 AM

     
    Why call it 'islamic' slavery - it's more arab slavery, ever heard of christian or jewish slavery, though they existed by the same conditions.


    Hmm yes why ?

    well if Christ started slavery with his religion you call it as christian  slaver
    if Moses started slavery with his religion you call it as Jewish   slavery
    and if Muhammad (PUBH SODOM) started slavery with religion you call it as  'Islamic' slavery

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #33 - February 29, 2012, 02:13 AM

    Racism is islamically inspired!! You have lost the plot Cheesy - It has judiac and christian traditions.

    Good laugh .. yes everything is started by Abrahamic religions,  There was nothing before these., Well they started and Islam  Propagated thoroughly  all the way to this day...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #34 - February 29, 2012, 02:21 AM

    Yap that is a fact which is all over Islam.. and in  Islamic books

    Yap.,  Rocks and trees, cry: 0 Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me

    Yap, Banu Qurayza is all over Islam

    Kill juice, hate juice  is there from Old Bearded baboons  to three year old child

    You are riot devilsadvokat..


    fair enough,you believe he hated jews lol - but in medieval islamic society and up until recently muslim/jewish relations were comparatively peaceful compared to christian/jewish relations. Until jewish occupation and annexation of palestinian land and the failure of nationalism and the rise of hamas (aided by the Israeli-right) hence the hate -filled three year old girl etc.

    Basically you are making my case for me, by highlighting verses in the Quran and extrapolating it 1400 years to be the prism in which to view palestinian hate of jews, rather than studying the intervening 1400 years especially in comparison to Christainity (I mean is christianity institutionally anti-semetic , is judaism institutionally anti- not the chosen people), if indeed there was hatred on that scale it is a wonder jewish communities fared better under islamic rule than christian rule.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #35 - February 29, 2012, 02:35 AM

    Good laugh .. yes everything is started by Abrahamic religions,  There was nothing before these., Well they started and Islam  Propagated thoroughly  all the way to this day...



    Hmm yes why ?

    well if Christ started slavery with his religion you call it as christian  slaver
    if Moses started slavery with his religion you call it as Jewish   slavery
    and if Muhammad (PUBH SODOM) started slavery with religion you call it as  'Islamic' slavery


    Slavery started before monotheistic religion, slavery was ongoing, ergo none of them started it. For Moi to say that racism was inspired by islam, that is just a total hoot.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #36 - February 29, 2012, 02:36 AM

    Anyways yeezevee - bid you good night - got to choose a kitchen in the morning.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #37 - February 29, 2012, 02:37 AM

    boy.. devilsadvokat, I am tired., well that is life., so let me try again
    fair enough,you believe he hated jews lol -

    Yes He loved them so much,  All Jewish males  of Saudi Arabia of that time  were dismembered by him and heroes of Islam following him .,

     And  and  the Jewish females were used thoroughly by Prophet and his followers .. LOVE IS EVERYWHERE Flowing from loins ..Cytus interruptus.,  Azl.. Azl...  Praise be to Allaah.   read more
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    With regard to ‘azl (coitus interruptus), or withdrawing during intercourse, the correct scholarly view is that there is nothing wrong with it, because of the hadeeth of Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him): “We used to practice ‘azl at the time when the Qur’aan was being revealed” – i.e., at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). If that action had been haraam, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) would have forbidden it. But the scholars say that one should not engage in ‘azl with a free woman except with her permission, because she has the right to have children. Moreover, withdrawing without her permission diminishes her pleasure, because the woman’s pleasure can only be completed after ejaculation. So not asking her permission causes her to lose out on pleasure and on the possibility of having children. Hence we state the condition that this may only be done with her permission.

    Thirdly: the reason why the Sahaabah engaged in ‘azl was because they did not want the woman – especially a slave woman – to get pregnant, so that they could continue to enjoy a physical relationship with them and the woman would still be able to do their work. Abu Dawood narrated that a man said, “O Messenger of Allaah, I have a slave woman and I engage in ‘azl with her, because I do not want her to get pregnant, but I want what men want. But the Jews say that ‘azl is a lesser form of infanticide.” He said, “The Jews are lying. If Allaah wants to create (a child) you cannot prevent that.

     
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     but in medieval islamic society and up until recently muslim/jewish relations were comparatively peaceful compared to christian/jewish relations.

    what all you have there is "Butt" but no meat ...no text and no proof..

    Quote
    Until jewish occupation and annexation of palestinian land and the failure of nationalism and the rise of hamas (aided by the Israeli-right) hence the hate -filled three year old girl etc.

    yes where did the Palestinians come from??  From bible??

    Quote
    Basically you are making my case for me, by highlighting verses in the Quran and extrapolating it 1400 years to be the prism in which to view palestinian hate of jews, rather than studying the intervening 1400 years especially in comparison to Christainity (I mean is christianity institutionally anti-semetic , is judaism institutionally anti- not the chosen people), if indeed there was hatred on that scale it is a wonder jewish communities fared better under islamic rule than christian rule.

    Well I am not looking through prism, I am not dispersing the light,  I am looking through Lens  with very tight focus ..  I don't think you  have read any history,  forget Islamic history devilsadvokat,., Yes you must read .. all 1400 years of history., would you like to have books/references on that?

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #38 - February 29, 2012, 12:29 PM

    Very pleasant quote mining then blaming the messenger.

    Quote
    It reviews centuries of Arabic, Persian, and Turkish works back to even medieval times which demonize blacks as "...lazy, stupid, evil-smelling and lecherous slaves...", or "untruthful, vicious, sexually unbridled, ugly and distorted...", or being "nothing more or less than the symbol of wickedness and barbarism...", or which claim that "the Negro does not differ from an animal in anything except his hands have been lifted from the earth", and thus justifiably questions if `the extent to which racial prejudice in Western Europe against blacks could have Muslim influences, since the former owes much of its medieval literature and philosophical tradition to Muslims'.

    Especially sobering is the observation that by '...placing blacks under a mythological curse, stereotyping and stigmatizing them on account of the content of their belief and color of their skin, Muslims of all races waged war against and raided Africans, killing millions and reducing others to slaver of the last 14 centuries.'


    The Legacy of Arab-Islam in Africa: A Quest for Inter-religious Dialogue [Paperback]
    John Allembillah Azumah   Amazon.co.uk reviews


    A religion that is responsible for 140 million deaths might not be implicated in the invention of racism?

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #39 - February 29, 2012, 12:47 PM

    The Legacy of Arab-Islam in Africa: A Quest for Inter-religious Dialogue [Paperback]
    John Allembillah Azumah   Amazon.co.uk reviews...........

    Reviews on that book
     
    1). Mohamed Bakari, Fatih University, Turkey

    2). Allah O Akbar! islam@islamic-truth.fsnet.co.uk
     

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #40 - February 29, 2012, 04:28 PM

    Hi Yeezevee, i was reading your 2nd link about "book reviews"  Cheesy and suffice to say the author/s of that site is a NUTTER/s lets see some of the statements on the site..
    Quote
    Africans are physically the strongest nation on earth. The Arabs are NOT. Famous Islamic
    scholar Al-Jihaz (778-868) wrote of the physical superiority of the Africans nations over all other
    nations.


    Then the author (who is a muslim) goes on to confuse the ethiopian christian amharic/tigray kingdom with the nubian christian kingdoms of makuria, dongola, nobatia when he praises and boast the " christian"ethiopians of resisting muslim arab incursions for 1400 years. The authors of that site are in deep denial! finmad
  • Re: Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #41 - February 29, 2012, 11:55 PM

    Very pleasant quote mining then blaming the messenger.



    Quote
    Just found this fascinating comment that racism is an import from Islam!


    I was replying to this quote of yours. Care to correct it? My mirth at your post was also due to the blatant attempt to derail the thread, this thread is about antisemitism in Islam as shown in practise by muslims compared to antisemitism in Christianity as practised by Christians in the context of palestinain/israeli relations.

    Quote
    A religion that is responsible for 140 million deaths might not be implicated in the invention of racism?


    Were all on the basis of race and/or religion? And more pertinent to this thread that jews comprised a miniscule percentage.

    Quote
    It reviews centuries of Arabic, Persian, and Turkish works back to even medieval times which demonize blacks as "...lazy, stupid, evil-smelling and lecherous slaves...", or "untruthful, vicious, sexually unbridled, ugly and distorted...", or being "nothing more or less than the symbol of wickedness and barbarism...", or which claim that "the Negro does not differ from an animal in anything except his hands have been lifted from the earth", and thus justifiably questions if `the extent to which racial prejudice in Western Europe against blacks could have Muslim influences, since the former owes much of its medieval literature and philosophical tradition to Muslims'.

    Especially sobering is the observation that by '...placing blacks under a mythological curse, stereotyping and stigmatizing them on account of the content of their belief and color of their skin, Muslims of all races waged war against and raided Africans, killing millions and reducing others to slaver of the last 14 centuries.'


    As for your message - That muslim literature influenced european thinking about the black man. Not denying that might have been but isn't there christian and judiac scripture references to 'how to treat your slave'. And it is jewish folklore (mythologicalcurse) arising out of the Curse of Ham (the besmirchment of black people) that later muslims justifying the arab slave trade may have written which may have formed european opinions - personally think racism(more like skin colour)/tribalism/fear of the other is evolutionary in nature. And the arab slave trade was in action long before the advent of Islam.

    Anyways there is some opinion that anti-semitism in the muslim world had some european influence. Basically it is human nature, not an invention of religion.

    LOL - your thread post has deraild my thoughts so forgive the slavery references.


    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #42 - March 01, 2012, 12:25 AM

    so yezevee we have msulijms whose religious model was in your opinion master jewslayer who in practise have killed millions less jews than christians whose model was a nigh-on pacifist.

    Quote
    Claude Cahen[2] and Shelomo Dov Goitein[3] argue against historic antisemitism in Muslim lands, writing that discrimination practiced against non-Muslims was of general nature, and not targeted specifically at Jews.[4] For these scholars, antisemitism in Medieval Islam was local and sporadic rather than general and endemic. For Goitein antisemitism was not present at all, and for Cahen it was rarely present.[4]

     
    Quote
    Bernard Lewis[5] writes that while Muslims have held negative stereotypes regarding Jews, throughout most of Islamic history these stereotypes were not indicative of antisemitism because, unlike Christians, Muslims viewed Jews as objects of ridicule, not fear. He argues that Muslims did not attribute "cosmic evil" to Jews.[6] In Lewis' view, it was only in the late 19th century that movements first appeared among Muslims that can legitimately be described as antisemitic.[7]


    Quote
    Frederick M. Schweitzer and Marvin Perry state that there are mostly negative references to Jews in the Qur'an and Hadith, and that Islamic regimes treated Jews in degrading ways. Jews (and Christians) had the status of dhimmis. They state that throughout much of history Christians treated Jews worse, saying that Jews in Christian lands were subjected to worse polemics, persecutions and massacres than under Muslim rule.[8]


    Quote
    According to Walter Laqueur, the varying interpretations of the Qur'an are important for understanding Muslim attitudes. Many Quranic verses preach tolerance towards the Jews; others make hostile remarks about them (which are similar to hostile remarks made against those who did not accept Islam). Muhammad interacted with Jews living in Arabia: he preached to them in hopes of conversion, he fought against and killed many Jews, while he made friends with other Jews.[9]

     
    Quote
    For Martin Kramer, the idea that contemporary antisemitism by Muslims is authentically Islamic "touches on some truths, yet it misses many others". Kramer believes that contemporary antisemitism is due only partially to Israeli policies, about which Muslims may have a deep sense of injustice and loss. But Kramer attributes the primary causes of Muslim antisemitism to modern European ideologies, which have infected the Muslim world.[10]


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_antisemitism

    A very comprehensive and interesting read. Still there is NO DOUBT that christians have treated jews worse than muslims throughout history and

    Quote
    what all you have there is "Butt" but no meat ...no text and no proof


    Err, my opening post, which you so far have failed to tackle.

    Quote
    Well I am not looking through prism, I am not dispersing the light,  I am looking through Lens  with very tight focus .. [/quote} I don't think you  have read any history,  forget Islamic history devilsadvokat,., Yes you must read .. all 1400 years of history., would you like to have books/references on that?

    Still there is NO DOUBT that christian west has treated jews worse than did the muslim ummah throughout history which was my case, that imo would surprise many unwitting people.



    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #43 - March 01, 2012, 12:27 AM


     this thread is about antisemitism in Islam as shown in practise by muslims compared to antisemitism in Christianity as practised by Christians in the context of palestinain/israeli relations.



      Basically it(antisemitism) is human nature, not an invention of religion.


    LOL - .............


    you lol  and the logic is not helping me  to understand your logic devilsadvokat.,  Explain me a bit on those highlighted words of yours..

    with best
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #44 - March 01, 2012, 12:35 AM

    you lol  and the logic is not helping me  to understand your logic devilsadvokat.,  Explain me a bit on those highlighted words of yours..

    with best
    yeezevee


    Please read in the context of an  the earlier sentence
    Quote
    personally think racism(more like skin colour)/tribalism/fear of the other is evolutionary in nature


    And to quote in full -

    Quote
    Anyways there is some opinion that anti-semitism in the muslim world had some european influence. Basically it is human nature, not an invention of religion.


    Lol usally you are notable for your posts resembling textual diarrhea, forgive me.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #45 - March 01, 2012, 12:40 AM


    Lol usally you are notable for your posts resembling textual diarrhea, forgive me.


    hmmm, well I am expecting  my  diarrhea smell is so sweet , it will attract many people like you..   but i could be wrong devilsadvokat., again that is not the point. but tell  me about this

    "Basically it(antisemitism) is human nature, not an invention of religion."

    How so?

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #46 - March 01, 2012, 12:45 AM

    Lol is this deliberate? Told you to read it in the context of my earlier sentence posted in my post directly above your last one.  When are you going to tackle the substance of my opening post? Or what do you think about the range of opinion of I suppose learned scholars shown by the quotes from wiki?

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #47 - March 01, 2012, 01:17 PM

    But pharisaic judaism about zero CE was strongly anti slavery!

    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/455129/Pharisee

    Quote
    The Pharisees, on the other hand, believed that the Law that God gave to Moses was twofold, consisting of the Written Law and the Oral Law, i.e., the teachings of the prophets and the oral traditions of the Jewish people. Whereas the priestly Sadducees taught that the written Torah was the only source of revelation, the Pharisees admitted the principle of evolution in the Law; men must use their reason in interpreting the Torah and applying it to contemporary problems. Rather than blindly follow the letter of the Law even if it conflicted with reason or conscience, the Pharisees harmonized the teachings of the Torah with their own ideas or found their own ideas suggested or implied in it. They interpreted the Law according to its spirit; when in the course of time a law had been outgrown or superseded by changing conditions, they gave it a new and more acceptable meaning, seeking scriptural support for their actions through a ramified system of hermeneutics. It was due to this progressive tendency of the Pharisees that their interpretation of the Torah continued to develop and has remained a living force in Judaism.

    The Pharisees were not primarily a political party but a society of scholars and pietists. They enjoyed a large popular following, and in the New Testament they appear as spokesmen for the majority of the population. Around 100 bc a long struggle ensued as the Pharisees tried to democratize the Jewish religion and remove it from the control of the Temple priests. The Pharisees asserted that God could and should be worshiped even away from the Temple and outside Jerusalem. To the Pharisees, worship consisted not in bloody sacrifices—the practice of the Temple priests—but in prayer and in the study of God’s law. Hence the Pharisees fostered the synagogue as an institution of religious worship, outside and separate from the Temple. The synagogue may thus be considered a Pharasaic institution since the Pharisees developed it, raised it to high eminence, and gave it a central place in Jewish religious life.


    Interestingly EB seems to have been edited - an earlier version commented that they were anti slavery.  Anyone any good with wayback?

    And how is it off topic to think about where ideas come from?  The founding of the US and the European enlightenment were not the signs of the end of the world!


    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #48 - March 01, 2012, 02:53 PM

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    Simply stated, the Pharisees and Essenes were at variance with the Sadducees (and
    the Romans) on the issue of slavery. As to the Pharisees, Josephus says; "...they follow
    the conduct of reason..." Meaning a) ethics, and b) that the leaders of the Pharisees
    were not 'religious', as in following after 'beliefs' over practicality, and c) "...they
    also pay respect to such (as) that are in years..." (i.e., they honored and respected
    their elders). And furthermore, "...they do not take away the freedom from men..."
    Which indeed means that they were adverse to the idea of slavery. (Ref. Josephus,
    Whiston translation, page 376-377).


    http://www.angelfire.com/wi/famtree/longwr1.html

    An anti slavery pro reason group might not be liked much by Islam!

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #49 - March 01, 2012, 04:11 PM

    Quote from: devilsadvokat to yeezevee  link=topic=19917.msg567632#msg567632 date=1330562724
    Lol is this deliberate? Told you to read it in the context of my earlier sentence posted in my post directly above your last one.  When are you going to tackle the substance of my opening post? Or what do you think about the range of opinion of I suppose learned scholars shown by the quotes from wiki?


    Hmm O.k, Your opening post is totally misconstrued and misrepresenting  facts on the ground devilsadvokat., So  I  neglected ., re-read and rephrase it again., let me take a bit of that .. you say

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    Amongst my first few posts on this board, I mentioned that the world was being fed a lie vis-a vis palestinian hatred at israelis on religious grounds. That initially the fighback of the palestinians was being carried out by the socialist/nationalist PLO and only with the rise of Hamas (aided and abetted by the Israeli right wing) did the cause, turn religious.

    That is  absolute rubbish., you are writing like an high school kid  who never read history of Israeli/ Palestine  problem.. The only thing that is true is Israeli right wing supported creation of Hamas., so they can separate Gaza strip from PLO West Bank ., and  Israelis can screw them independently.  

    1). To start with PLO was always controlled by Islam, that to international Islamic leaders and rulers.. off course PLO was the front line organization.  

    2). You must realize Hamas(or HAM ASS) was   founded in 1987  and was  an offshoot of the Egyptian international  Muslim BROTHELHOOD  and the founder being founder Sheik Ahmed Yassin..

    3). The Palestine Liberation Organization   a political and paramilitary organization which  was created in 1964  and Yasser Arafat was the Chairman of the PLO Executive Committee from 1969  all the way until death in 2004. You call man leadership as socialist/nationalist/democratic organization?? Nonsense.

    4). I can show you number of terror strike against Israel all the way to 1988., In fact PLO did not recognize Israel's right to exist until 1988.,  it was only In 1993, PLO recognized Israel's right to exist in peace, accepted UN Security Council resolutions 242 and 338, and rejected "violence and terrorism"; in response, Israel officially recognized the PLO as the representative of the Palestinian people

     
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    ....Amongst my first few posts on this board, I mentioned....


    well on this subject of Israel and Palestine ..  YOUR FIRST POST IS WRONG AND YOUR LAST POST IS WRONG , There is no substance to tackle in your post devilsadvokat.,  Please read more on this problem..   and...and..  your first  post on this problem

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #50 - March 01, 2012, 04:36 PM

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    Nazi Sheikhs

    Joel Whitney interviews Paul Berman May 2010

    The polemicist discusses Tariq Ramadan’s love of extremist sheikhs, Islamism’s ties to Hitler, and the intellectual confusion of liberal journalists.

    In 2006, Paul Berman attended a seminar in Sweden which featured the Muslim scholar Tariq Ramadan, just-resigned Dutch Parliamentarian Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and Bassam Tibi, the critic of Islamism. Berman was meeting both Ramadan and Hirsi Ali for the first time, and their fame preceded them. “He and I sat together, talking,” Berman says of the former, “then he made his presentation. I listened to Ramadan speak, and had a very strong reaction to his presentation. I felt that it was manipulative and a little demagogic and very unpleasant.

    On the other hand, I was impressed by Hirsi Ali.”

    What puzzled Berman was how his impression of Ramadan clashed markedly with Ramadan’s reception in the media. Berman began to read Ramadan closely, which he describes as his métier. French writer Caroline Fourest had cited Ramadan’s double talk, a habit of saying something moderate to non-Muslim audiences and something different to Muslims. But this wasn’t exactly what Berman found.

    Rather, Ramadan had the habit of openly revering figures like Hassan al-Banna, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood (and Ramadan’s grandfather). Al-Banna was closely associated in the forties with the Palestinian Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini, leader of “the most violent wing of the Arab Revolt.” As Berman would learn, the anti-Semitic and Fascist strain used by these figures, that extremist organizations like al-Qaeda are heir to, was not merely rhetorical.

    In fact, the Mufti had been a star in the Nazi propaganda war during World War II. The Mufti’s appeal to the Nazis was partly a result of his adopting the Nazi idea of a demonic worldwide conspiracy of Jews, which, during the war, he broadcast on Nazi shortwave radio programs across the Arab world. But Nazi awe of the Mufti also had plenty to do with the support graced by al-Banna’s Muslim Brotherhood, as it went through its growth spurt. While other war criminals were facing trials after the war, the Mufti, who had called for eradication of the Jews, received a hero’s welcome in Eqypt. This was thanks to al-Banna.

    Berman would doggedly trace the influence of these two figures through the ideologies of extremists like Sayyid Qutb and Sheik Yusuf al-Qaradawi. But Berman also found that Ramadan never criticized extremist views in these figures (their militant antisemitism, approval of terrorism, endorsement of a Nazi doctrine which saw Hitler as sent by God). He never even mentioned these views. In his book in praise of his grandfather, The Roots of the Muslim Renewal, Ramadan suppressed his and the Mufti’s Fascist ties. While claiming to be a moderate seeking to forge an attractive, modern Islam, here was someone who was obfuscating a key tie between Islam and Nazism, which spawned Islamism. This was Muslim reform, Ramadan-style.

    Of course, Ramadan doesn’t do it alone. As Berman controversially claims in his new book, The Flight of the Intellectuals, he has a class of prominent, though intellectually confused journalist-enablers, figures like Ian Buruma and Timothy Garton Ash, whose tendency to favor style over substance has spurred them to get it absolutely backwards: they deal with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, truly a heroic dissident figure in Berman’s reading, like a pariah, and fawn over the double-talk of the charismatic Ramadan.....


    http://www.guernicamag.com/interviews/1756/berman_5_15_10/

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #51 - March 01, 2012, 04:41 PM

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    socialist/nationalist PLO


    What does Nazi stand for?

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #52 - March 13, 2012, 02:44 PM

    So to sum up - until the green light for a jewish homeland in palestine was given, jews living in the christian/west/white/european were faced with much more pro-active antisemetism than they afce within the muslim ummah - after all numbers don't lie.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #53 - November 04, 2015, 11:18 PM

    I'm afraid I can't really understand much of what you guys are saying... some of it seems to be a heavy use of internet slang and "short cuts" (to what you mean)!


    It's more than enough for me however, that Muhammad massacred a Jewish tribe, because they didn't accept him as a messiah (since he didn't give the signs they wanted). That says it all to me, personally.
  • Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #54 - November 05, 2015, 08:01 AM

    Bolton... coughcoughcough

    Yeez... Don't ignore Yeez but don't take Yeez seriously either... Yeez post a lot of good information but his language is hard to understand, he writes like Allah Afro
  • Is Islam Institutionally Anti-Semetic?
     Reply #55 - November 06, 2015, 12:56 PM

    It is not for yeez to explain himself to the masses. Rather, yeez reveals his wisdom and it is our task to understand it. Understanding for ourselves without divine aid will usher in a new evolution in our minds and souls. Like a child who becomes a man, like a butterfly emerging from the cocoon, so too must we struggle ourselves. Only through trail can we find the strength we need.


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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