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 Topic: Female grooming and beautification

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  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #30 - April 09, 2012, 03:57 PM

    I don't know much about, you know, sex Tongue but can people control what they're attracted to? Probably not, right?

    So if that's the case, he can't help it, whereas a person can probably suck it up and shave their legs.

    And I didn't know Laser Hair Removal caused pigmentation. :/ It hasn't for my sister....I think. :/

    Self ban for Ramadan (THAT RHYMES)

    Expect me to come back a Muslim. Cool Tongue j/k we'll see..
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #31 - April 09, 2012, 04:02 PM

    I don't know much about, you know, sex Tongue but can people control what they're attracted to? Probably not, right?


    All people are controlled by other people, even down to personal attraction.

    Beauty standards change.  Once upon a time a woman having hairy legs was still attractive to a man, so people can change what they are attracted to.

    I normally say that I won't date a guy shorter than me, I don't find it attractive, and yet I have dated guys shorter than me and if I was single, I would do again.  Since in the end, who they are matters more than what ideal they match up too.

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    So if that's the case, he can't help it, whereas a person can probably suck it up and shave their legs.


    No, I disagree.

    In fact if someone told me to suck it up, I would fuck him up.

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    And I didn't know Laser Hair Removal caused pigmentation. :/ It hasn't for my sister....I think. :/


    How dark was your sister?


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #32 - April 09, 2012, 04:08 PM

    @BerberElla,

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    All people are controlled by other people, even down to personal attraction.

    Beauty standards change.  Once upon a time a woman having hairy legs was still attractive to a man, so people can change what they are attracted to.


    But that would be society as a whole controlling your attraction right? :/ Not an individual?

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    I normally say that I won't date a guy shorter than me, I don't find it attractive, and yet I have dated guys shorter than me and if I was single, I would do again.  Since in the end, who they are matters more than what ideal they match up too.


    Oh. That does make sense.... Tongue

    Kay, I dunno any more. Tongue

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    In fact if someone told me to suck it up, I would fuck him up.


    Didn't you just say you WOULDN'T sleep with him? Huh?

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    How dark was your sister?


    Not very... Smiley Okay, I got it now.

    Self ban for Ramadan (THAT RHYMES)

    Expect me to come back a Muslim. Cool Tongue j/k we'll see..
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #33 - April 09, 2012, 04:13 PM

    when you say shaved arms, you mean arm pits or actual arms?

    I've never shaved my arms.

    is that an expectation I missed?  Grin




    Just the arms, I hate arm pit hair, again even on guys.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #34 - April 09, 2012, 04:15 PM

    I hate arm pit hair, again even on guys.

    Me too.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #35 - April 09, 2012, 04:21 PM

    I actually shave my arm pit hair...

    "I measured the skies, now the shadows I measure,
    Sky-bound was the mind, earth-bound the body rests."
    [Kepler's epitaph]
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #36 - April 09, 2012, 04:23 PM

    What kind of hairyness are we talking about here? Growth you won't notice without touching? A bit of stubble? Something more? Captain caveman legs?
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #37 - April 09, 2012, 04:29 PM

    Just the arms, I hate arm pit hair, again even on guys.


    Oh, arm shaving seems excessive to me in terms of shaving, I have a friend who mentioned once that she was sick and tired of shaving her arms and I was a bit WOAH didn't even realise you thought it was necessary.

    I have hair on my arms and I don't care....................I am glad I don't care.  I have far too many things I care about as it is.  Grin


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #38 - April 09, 2012, 04:32 PM

    Me too.


    Why though?

    what about it is worthy of hate?

    Most of the time arm pit hair isn't even on display, only when arms go up and then even if no hair, huge sweat stains can still bring you down.

    What kind of hairyness are we talking about here? Growth you won't notice without touching? A bit of stubble? Something more? Captain caveman legs?


    some girls would naturally be cavemen, and some would barely be visible.

    Stubble is also left behind shaving, so lets ignore stubble and focus on what leg hair feels like when not tampered with......it feels soft.

    It might look bad because we've all be conditioned to see it as bad visibly, but really, I've never seen a woman with leg hair to rival a man's leg hair...so I dunno. 

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #39 - April 09, 2012, 04:59 PM

    Why though?

    what about it is worthy of hate?

    Hate is too strong a word. I just don't like it, and give my own a number one with the clippers.

    I think the root of it is to be at peace with yourself.

    There are all sorts of pressures - from both men and women - and the trick is surely to please yourself first and please others second. If there is relatively painless path of compromise, so much the better.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #40 - April 09, 2012, 05:20 PM

    Ladies how comfortable with the idea that you HAVE to shave your legs, arm pits, bikini lines (and other hairy bits) all in the name of fitting socities expectations of you these days?

    Men, how comfortable are you IMPOSING those expectations on your woman?


    Never imposed anything on any woman I was dating, but sometimes I ask for certain things. If they don't want to do it so be it, not gonna force the issue. I asked a girl I was dating if she'd shave her legs for me and she did, but that had nothing to do with society's expectations cause she was hot all the same and mostly wore pants (and had light hair on her legs so you could barely see it anyways), it was just a personal preference of mine.

    Similarly if a girl I'm dating makes a similar request of me I'm likely to comply provided the request doesn't make me look completely ridiculous in my opinion (when I used to wear a goatee girls would sometimes ask me to shave it off cause they preferred clean-shaven and I didn't have an issue with that, but if they asked me to grow huge muttonchops cause they found them sexy, I'm sure I'd take a pass on that).

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    But how about the guys?

    What if your partner made a personal choice that she didn't want to shave her legs or arm pits anymore?  I mean I can almost see the argument about pubes, oral sex etc, but even then I give more props to men like Os, who just don't fucking care about stupid things like that.

    But what does her having shaved legs really mean in the long run?

    Could you stand against society sniggering at your missus because she is making a stand?  or would you crumble and beg her to shave, or leave her for someone who does shave?  Grin


    I wouldn't like it if a girl stopped shaving her pits while we were dating, but ultimately it's not that big of a deal to me. Legs are a different story however-- I like a girl with long, smooth legs-- if my girlfriend stopped shaving them I'd probably put up more of a fuss over that than pits. But this is a personal attraction issue, not a how society views them issue-- don't care about that. I would assume it would be the same for a girl if she strongly preferred clean-shaven guys then the clean-shaven guy she were dating all of a sudden decided he wanted to grow a big lumberjack beard. I don't think it would be an unreasonable request in either case to ask the other person to keep shaving-- it's not like asking them to get cosmetic surgery or even go on a diet, just asking them to maintain that one aspect of their current look which doesn't require all that much effort, time or money to do.

    fuck you
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #41 - April 09, 2012, 05:24 PM

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    I'm not so sure, maybe at 50 I would agree, 40yr old men still nab themselves women half their ages quite often.


    They do LOL  And boy do they go through hoops to make sure they nab them lol.

    Hair served purpose way back when, kind of like an appendix.  I have never been
    with a man who shaved/waxed tbh.  I dont mind at all.  A bit of trimming may be
    necessary, but a man's hair, other than on his head does have tons of pheremones.
    I LIKE the way a clean man smells in the heat of passion.  

    Smagma on the other hand is disgusting to me.

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #42 - April 09, 2012, 05:27 PM

    What makes you think it's not that much effort?

    You know how long it takes to shave one of my legs let alone both of them?  then to deal with the jungle?  and it's twin dippers?

    Not to mention anal shaving.

    I mean..............that is effort.  Grin

    I feel like fucking up your James bond Famke fantasy and strangling you with hairy legs.    Cheesy


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #43 - April 09, 2012, 05:28 PM



    Smagma on the other hand is disgusting to me.


    vomit  why mention it Jnt, whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?  Over react

     Cheesy Cheesy 

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #44 - April 09, 2012, 05:34 PM

    What makes you think it's not that much effort?

    You know how long it takes to shave one of my legs let alone both of them?  then to deal with the jungle?  and it's twin dippers?

    Not to mention anal shaving.

    I mean..............that is effort.  Grin


    Well it's all relative. I should have said it doesn't require all that much effort in comparison to the other examples I raised. I do know girls go through a lot of shit to look their best, but believe me when I say that we men do appreciate the effort.  yes

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    I feel like fucking up your James bond Famke fantasy and strangling you with hairy legs.    Cheesy


     Cry

    fuck you
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #45 - April 09, 2012, 05:39 PM

    I honestly don't give a shit. If I already find a woman attractive and likeable, a little hair isn't about to scare me off.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #46 - April 10, 2012, 02:04 AM

    I think the expectation of women hold of staying hairless or nearly so is absurd. Like, I'm all for hair removal for the purpose of keeping body odor from lingering and the obvious facial hair, which is why I have no opposition to maintaining pits, pubes, beards and mustachios but pretty much anything beyond that for me is overkill. If I can have a TMI moment here for a second, I'll admit that I don't shave my legs, arms or tummy as I think it borders on silliness to be that preoccupied with hair that you can hardly see or feel, at least in this case. My chocolate-y complexion wins another battle for me.  dance

    The way I see it, I have enough to worry about in my day-to-day without adding in loads of self-consciousness about whether tiny protein fibers on my body are bothering anyone. For now, I'll stick to the minimum upkeep of removing tiny forests from my face but that's as far as it's going for me.

    "I know where I'm going and I know the truth, and I don't have to be what you want me to be. I'm free to be what I want."
    Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #47 - April 10, 2012, 02:39 AM

    I don't mind if someone wants to shave most of the hair off their bodies. I just find it stupid that there are somehow different rules for men and women.

    Hygiene is great, but that has nothing really to do with hair and everything to do with how often and how well you clean yourself using water, soap, loofahs etc.

    As for leg shaving not taking a lot of effort or time... umm what??! Legs cover about HALF our bodies. We have to twist into bloody pretzels to do it... there is NO comparison to that with men shaving their faces. Besides, men with stubble, 5-o-clock shadows, goatees and full on beards are not mocked or made fun of, or dismissed as potential dates.

    I used to shave all the time. Last few years, I do it when I feel like it, which is maybe once every couple of months.

    Hair also feel amazing. To touch hair is great, but to have your hair touched is sublime... the sensation goes deeper than just being touched on top of the skin, as the hair follicle that's stimulated goes deeper inside than the skin's surface cells.

    I still feel weird if I go out in public with leg hair because of the social stigma. I hate that social stigma. I do not hate my hair.

    I do still wax and shape my eyebrows once a month or so, but I don't go as crazy about that either as I used to when I was younger and shallower.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #48 - April 10, 2012, 02:40 AM

    Also, I don't like it when people who are supposed to be MEN and WOMEN are pressured to resemble the bodies of little boys or little girls instead of adults.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #49 - April 10, 2012, 02:45 AM

    I shave/wax because it feels better, not because of any social compulsion or not because it might be expected of me. The idea that it might please a man is an afterthought, and not necessarily a bad thing. Hair annoys me anyway. Also, I like to stroke my own legs when they are smooth.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #50 - April 10, 2012, 02:47 AM

    Also, I find the ritual of it relaxing.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #51 - April 10, 2012, 02:48 AM

     Smiley

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #52 - April 10, 2012, 02:50 AM

    I prefer rough against my smooth.

    Rough against rough would remind me of velcro or something.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #53 - April 10, 2012, 02:53 AM

    I find I have about 10% the sensation after I've shaved than I did before. So the gender role that women must be "smooth shaven" actually robs us of most of the pleasurable sensations we could be feeling in various parts of the body by the stimulation of thousands of hair follicles.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #54 - April 10, 2012, 02:56 AM

    I don't feel any sensation is robbed, having compared both. That's just the way it is for me.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #55 - April 10, 2012, 02:56 AM

    Also, hair once it's allowed to grow out naturally is actually NOT rough. It's rough when it's stubble and it keeps getting cut/shaved etc. Natural growth makes the ends of the hair follicles thin out over time causing natural hair to be softer.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #56 - April 10, 2012, 04:18 AM

    Feminism should be about chicks rising up with AKs and shooting down the oppressors and having positions of power equal to men-- it should NOT be about hairy legs/pits/big ole bushes-- FUCK THAT!  finmad

    fuck you
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #57 - April 10, 2012, 04:50 AM

    Shut up, my friend. Im trying to enjoy a convo here popcorn

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #58 - April 10, 2012, 05:10 AM

    Feminism should be about chicks rising up with AKs and shooting down the oppressors and having positions of power equal to men-- it should NOT be about hairy legs/pits/big ole bushes-- FUCK THAT!  finmad

     

    Cheesy

    A) Says who?
    B) Taking power first and foremost means taking power over one's own body and making choices that feel good to ME. For those who want to be hairless, that's their prerogative. For those who like having their natural hair, that's their prerogative. If anything that's feminism (and just generally a good rule for men AND women).
    C) Equality means if women have to twist into pretzels every morning to shave to appear like prepubescent girls, then so should men have to. Otherwise neither should have to.
    D) Who says having natural hair means we can't also be responsible gun owners? Wink

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #59 - April 10, 2012, 05:12 AM

    And I like men who don't go nuts shaving and cutting and waxing themselves either.

    I prefer a guy with a nice trimmed beard than someone who's clean shaven for a few hours right after he shaves and then has the equivalent of sand paper all over his face wacko

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
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