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  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #60 - April 10, 2012, 05:57 AM
    Quote from: allat on April 10, 2012, 05:10 AM


    Cheesy

    A) Says who?


    Chairman, erm, Chairperson Q, exalted and glorious leader of our cherished revolution.

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    B) Taking power first and foremost means taking power over one's own body and making choices that feel good to ME. For those who want to be hairless, that's their prerogative. For those who like having their natural hair, that's their prerogative.
    If anything that's feminism (and just generally a good rule for men AND women).


    Whatever, Chairperson Q is gonna ban a lot of shit he doesn't care for-- body hair, guys wearing open toed footwear, long hair on guys, hippies, bad music, raves, Justin Bieber (not just his music but him), Tom Cruise and any woman he's ever dated, unflavored mayonnaise, Subway sandwich shops, etc.

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    C) Equality means if women have to twist into pretzels every morning to shave to appear like prepubescent girls, then so should men have to. Otherwise neither should have to.


    I really don't like this argument, and I've heard it a few times before. Throughout most of my life I've been attracted to women my own age or older so this idea that men like women shaved cause that reminds them of little girls is bullshit I think. I just don't care for body hair is all. I don't like looking at hairy men either, so I'm certainly not gonna like it on someone of the opposite sex. Where is the aesthetic appreciation angle here? Why is it all about sexism and/or caving to social pressure? Can't someone just like the hairless look? You may have noticed lots of men wax their chests and I trim the hair on my ballsack-- just looks nicer to me. Again, although I'm not a fan of body hair in general, pits aren't such a big deal, but I do like shaven legs on a woman-- sue me.
    fuck you
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #61 - April 10, 2012, 06:02 AM
    Yeah well "aesthetics" are determined by hegemonic social norms - you oughta know that better than anyone Wink

    Hey whatevers, not saying you don't have the right to like what you like... by all means do. Just wish people who like the socially normative things wouldn't mock/belittle those people who don't find those things attractive... not saying you do that, but a lot of people (men and women) do just that. It's a way to try to normalize a socially constructed idea of aesthetics. Of course, it's tied in with capitalism, as people who are happy with their bodies tend not to buy into the beauty/grooming industry as much. So... gotta keep those people miserable about their bodies if we want them to keep buying all the crap needed to look like some ideal that doesn't actually exist.

    Yeah, man, that's it I'm suing you. Expect a subpoena in your mail pronto.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #62 - April 10, 2012, 06:06 AM
    I'm starting to have my doubts as to whether I still want you serving on my Revolutionary Cabinet. I think you might lack the revolutionary discipline to carry out the executive order to chop off the feet of dudes who wear sandals.
    fuck you
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #63 - April 10, 2012, 06:14 AM
    Don't worry. I might be tempted play with their fuzzy ankles first, but if they complain, yeah those sandalled feet are coming off Headsman
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #64 - April 10, 2012, 07:00 AM
    Quote
    Whatever, Chairperson Q is gonna ban a lot of shit he doesn't care for-- body hair, guys wearing open toed footwear, long hair on guys, hippies, bad music, raves, Justin Bieber (not just his music but him), Tom Cruise and any woman he's ever dated, unflavored mayonnaise, Subway sandwich shops, etc.


    Too bad, because i wear open toed footwear, its a cultural thing Tongue

    So you dont like Penelope Cruz then cuz i know you got a thing for latinos.
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #65 - April 10, 2012, 07:03 AM
    I like guys who wear sandals too Tongue Birks FTW










    Don't hyperventilate too much Q mysmilie_977
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #66 - April 10, 2012, 07:04 AM
    Here's something you might find interesting, Berbs.

    Ashley Judd bitchslapping the media for speculation over her looks

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    Ashley Judd’s 'puffy' appearance sparked a viral media frenzy. But, the actress writes, the conversation is really a misogynistic assault on all women.

    -------

    The Conversation about women’s bodies exists largely outside of us, while it is also directed at (and marketed to) us, and used to define and control us. The Conversation about women happens everywhere, publicly and privately. We are described and detailed, our faces and bodies analyzed and picked apart, our worth ascertained and ascribed based on the reduction of personhood to simple physical objectification. Our voices, our personhood, our potential, and our accomplishments are regularly minimized and muted.

    (cont)

    This stood out to me:

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    That women are joining in the ongoing disassembling of my appearance is salient. Patriarchy is not men. Patriarchy is a system in which both women and men participate. It privileges, inter alia, the interests of boys and men over the bodily integrity, autonomy, and dignity of girls and women. It is subtle, insidious, and never more dangerous than when women passionately deny that they themselves are engaging in it. This abnormal obsession with women’s faces and bodies has become so normal that we (I include myself at times—I absolutely fall for it still) have internalized patriarchy almost seamlessly. We are unable at times to identify ourselves as our own denigrating abusers, or as abusing other girls and women.

    A case in point is that this conversation was initially promulgated largely by women; a sad and disturbing fact. (That they are professional friends of mine, and know my character and values, is an additional betrayal.)

    Sad and disturbing fact indeed. I think, with regards to feminism, much of the necessary changes need to come from within the sisterhood.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #67 - April 10, 2012, 07:13 AM
    Quote from: allat on April 10, 2012, 07:03 AM
    I like guys who wear sandals too Tongue Birks FTW


    Nice, i find them comfortable cool2
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #68 - April 10, 2012, 07:16 AM
    Quote from: Ishina on April 10, 2012, 07:04 AM
    Here's something you might find interesting, Berbs.

    Ashley Judd bitchslapping the media for speculation over her looks
    This stood out to me:
    Sad and disturbing fact indeed. I think, with regards to feminism, much of the necessary changes need to come from within the sisterhood.


    Yes, I shared that on my fb when I read it yesterday, she really does articulate exactly what is going down so perfectly.   Afro

    I can go into a newsagent now, pic up a magazine (trash ones) and apparantly make myself feel better because some star was photographed without her make up on. or appears to have put on a little bit of weight, or indeed lost too much.

    She says it right, if you age naturally you get insulted, if you do something about it, you get insulted. If you gain weight you're fat, if you lose it you're too thin, and on and on til you just can't win.

    This is definitely something that we women do to each other far too often.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #69 - April 10, 2012, 10:07 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on April 10, 2012, 02:45 AM
    Also, I like to stroke my own legs when they are smooth.

    Yes! dance
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #70 - April 10, 2012, 10:14 PM
    Anyway, while shaving legs might not be the quickest and easiest thing in the world, compared with how much sexy it adds (A LOT!) I think I would make a fuss if a potential partner wasn't in the habit of shaving/waxing, but if she couldn't be arsed to do it all the time, then I'd just live with that I guess. I'm unjustifiably picky as it is anyway when it comes to relationships, don't wanna strain one over some fuzz Grin.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #71 - April 11, 2012, 02:09 AM
    Quote from: Cato on April 10, 2012, 07:00 AM
    Too bad, because i wear open toed footwear, its a cultural thing Tongue


    The revolution's principles are universal and will not bend to cultural relativism-- off with the sandals or off with your feet.

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    So you dont like Penelope Cruz then cuz i know you got a thing for latinos.


    1. What straight guy doesn't have a thing for Latinas?

    2. She's barely Latina.

    3. She's good-looking but she let Tom Cruise touch her-- that takes her personal attractiveness to me down a few notches. No sympathy.

    Quote from: allat on April 10, 2012, 07:03 AM
    I like guys who wear sandals too Tongue Birks FTW


    You fuckin sicken me. Not only are you off my Cabinet, I'm having you Trotskyized, Stalin-style, baby.
    fuck you
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #72 - April 11, 2012, 02:20 AM
    Let the Croc revolution begin!
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #73 - April 11, 2012, 02:22 AM
    *adds deus to undesirables list*
    fuck you
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #74 - April 11, 2012, 02:47 AM
    i would date a girl who doesn't shave, but wearing sandals is where i draw the line.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #75 - April 11, 2012, 04:04 AM
    Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on April 11, 2012, 02:09 AM
    1. What straight guy doesn't have a thing for Latinas?

    I'll be in Managua tonight, untempted.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #76 - April 11, 2012, 06:40 AM
    Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on April 11, 2012, 02:09 AM


    1. What straight guy doesn't have a thing for Latinas?



    Questions like this set the ideal beauty bar, and further ensure that any guy who wants to be seen as straight, should also have a thing for latinas.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #77 - April 11, 2012, 11:44 AM
    ^Only in the socio-cultural sphere of Qmanism.

    Quote from: Abood on April 11, 2012, 02:47 AM
    i would date a girl who doesn't shave, but wearing sandals is where i draw the line.


    Why? Tongue
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #78 - April 11, 2012, 12:20 PM
    Another great thought-provoking thread thanks Berbs.

    Due to cultural influence I do prefer women who are clean shaven. But I don't like make-up. I even realized recently that I've subconsciously adopted the 'european standard of beauty'.

    I agree with David that the 'trick' is pleasing yourself first and pleasing others second. Personally the most grooming I do is shaving facial, head, public and armpit hair once a month, and basic hygiene (shower, cotton buds, etc). Some women might not like the lack of effort I put into my appearence, but that's fine.

    Comedy relief (skip to 1:05);

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJfFGgzhfhY
    An alternative to religion;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2nfXfTg92E

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWNW-NXEudk
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #79 - April 11, 2012, 12:24 PM
    I forgot to add that due to reading many of the threads and post on this forum, I've come to realize the incredible cutural pressue that women are under. Sorry that you guys go through that. The only cultural pressure I feel about my appearence is not having white teeth, and not being muscular.
    An alternative to religion;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2nfXfTg92E

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWNW-NXEudk
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #80 - April 11, 2012, 01:01 PM
    I tend avoid this thread, because I never had a girl in my life, don't know if my comment is appropriate or not, but wet pubes are sexy, excluding armpit of course, hairy legs, never seen those kind of girl, the severe one, soo I'll shut my mouth.
    All in all, I believe a normal woman is fairer than a normal man, doesn't pose that much of a problem to me, the problem is, I was attracted to a man,  a strap on women is okay fer me though,  (I'm no flirting here)
    If my women (if) fluffy ( yes ... fluffy) legs were being made fun of in public, I'll get mad of course, but In reality, I don't have the balls to do that irl, I'll just cursed whoever did that.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #81 - April 11, 2012, 04:20 PM
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #82 - April 11, 2012, 04:23 PM
     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    I love how Megan Fox became Freddie Mercury. Tongue
    Life is what happens to you while you're staring at your smartphone.

    Eternal Sunshine of the Religionless Mind
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #83 - April 11, 2012, 04:25 PM
    Maybe she is Freddie Mercury? DUN DUN DUUUUN!
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #84 - April 11, 2012, 04:29 PM
    I finally see the appeal of Katy Perry.


    Or of Jared Leto.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #85 - April 11, 2012, 04:49 PM
    my eyes! my eyes!
    my pooh memory ball !
    someone give me an ect !

    aurora !
    cmere, hmph ...
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #86 - April 11, 2012, 05:58 PM
    where do we draw the line between fighting normalization of beauty and enforcing your standards?
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #87 - April 11, 2012, 06:14 PM
    That question can be and needs to be asked of any campaign to dislodge, question and confront normativity of any kind, including the normalization of religion, gender roles, economic oppression, etc.

    I think a good underlying motto is to live and let live. Hegemony is spread through us, through our consent, through our unexamined actions based on the auto-pilot justification of "that's just how it is". To change things out there, we need to change things in here. We can question ourselves, our intentions, our glib reasoning for carrying on things we know on some level to be wrong, inconsistent, cruel or unjust.

    I don't think *not* shaving should be imposed. Just like I don't think shaving should be imposed. Difference is, the latter IS imposed. Insane, expensive, painful and perpetually unreachable beauty standards are imposed on women a lot, and on men to a lesser extent. I don't think we need to turn into the monsters we are fighting in order to fight them.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #88 - April 11, 2012, 06:39 PM
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    Re: Female grooming and beautification

    Huh! what grooming?? I just don't get it., and no time to read all that...

    what is this grooming??  why groom only females?

    why not groom every one.. male, females and all the rest in between??

    some one started this thread  let me ruin it..

    You see we all must groom every one.. not just females.. Let us groom kids who can think like this guy., see this guy.. He is crazy.. he already ruined that computer field. .. now he is trying to ruin some other science  fields ..lol..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaF-fq2Zn7I

    That is from Ted talk..  So grooming guys and girls like that nerd will be very useful..  Apparently he is playing with Mosquitoes.. and fire  flies..   lol..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #89 - April 11, 2012, 10:09 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on April 11, 2012, 06:40 AM
    Questions like this set the ideal beauty bar, and further ensure that any guy who wants to be seen as straight, should also have a thing for latinas.


     Roll Eyes Or, ya know, could just be I was making an offhand observation that most straight men I know seem to dig Latina women, without any of the nefarious subtext you ascribe to it.
    fuck you
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