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 Topic: Female grooming and beautification

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  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #90 - April 11, 2012, 10:40 PM

    Roll Eyes Or, ya know, could just be I was making an offhand observation that most straight men I know seem to dig Latina women, without any of the nefarious subtext you ascribe to it.


    Nefarious?  no.  Said in ignorance of the subtext?  yea.

    Forget the fact that you, yourself personally were making an off-hand comment, do you believe comments like that can carry the subtext I see in it? 

    Personally I see it (not you specifically being some evil villian trying to impose beauty ideals on all men so no need for the eye rolling defence mode) as the sort of comments that are used to keep everyone adhering to the mainstream ideal.

    It's not really any different from someone saying "as far as I know, any woman who is a real woman, wants to stay at home and be a mum".  Meaning women who don't want to, well they are not real women.  And straight men who don't fancy latinas (which is an ideal in my face all the time...one I have used to my advantage Grin ) aren't proper straight men.

    Again, not saying this is what motivated your comment or your wording, but if you can't examine your wording and only fall back on a personal defence mode, what real progress is any of this thread going to make?

    Is it so hard for people to step back and ask themselves whether they feed the fire?  whether they can think about off-hand comments and where they (potentially) lead to? 


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #91 - April 11, 2012, 10:59 PM

    i've never had a "thing" for latinas. but then again, i'm not straight. Grin
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #92 - April 11, 2012, 11:01 PM

    Damn you, that was not helpful.  Grin

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #93 - April 11, 2012, 11:16 PM

    Nefarious?  no.  Said in ignorance of the subtext?  yea.

    Forget the fact that you, yourself personally were making an off-hand comment, do you believe comments like that can carry the subtext I see in it? 

    Personally I see it (not you specifically being some evil villian trying to impose beauty ideals on all men so no need for the eye rolling defence mode) as the sort of comments that are used to keep everyone adhering to the mainstream ideal.

    It's not really any different from someone saying "as far as I know, any woman who is a real woman, wants to stay at home and be a mum".  Meaning women who don't want to, well they are not real women.  And straight men who don't fancy latinas (which is an ideal in my face all the time...one I have used to my advantage Grin ) aren't proper straight men.

    Again, not saying this is what motivated your comment or your wording, but if you can't examine your wording and only fall back on a personal defence mode, what real progress is any of this thread going to make?


    The way I see it is if someone wants to interpret what I said in a way I didn't mean it, that's on them, not me. If someone is gonna make their decision on who they find attractive based on some offhand comment from a guy on the internet because they think they need to do it to be a "real man"-- well, I can't fuckin help that nor do I see it as my responsibility to censor my words so as to avoid having it misinterpreted/misapplied by impressionable people.

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    Is it so hard for people to step back and ask themselves whether they feed the fire?  whether they can think about off-hand comments and where they (potentially) lead to? 


    Again, I do not regard this as an ethical responsibility, at least not in this case. I made an offhand observation, without malice or prejudice, if someone chooses to interpret that in a negative way that is on them solely.

    I will listen to any potential arguments you may have for why this would be my ethical responsibility, but right now, I don't see it.

    fuck you
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #94 - April 11, 2012, 11:17 PM

    I honestly have no arguement for why it should be, such a shame I would even have to think of one really.  :/


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #95 - April 11, 2012, 11:28 PM

    Not really, I tend to speak on such things off the cuff. If there's a moral imperative for me to change that and start considering the impact any offhand observation may have on other people, regardless of my intent, then would need some strong arguments for it-- cause unless such a moral imperative exists, I'm gonna continue to speak on such topics without carefully examining my words beforehand. Honestly, to do so goes against every instinct I have, and I think would make for a pretty fundamental change in my personality and I'm not that eager to change that particular aspect of my personality-- so, again, if I'm gonna do so I better have a damn good reason (a proven ethical obligation) for it.

    fuck you
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #96 - April 11, 2012, 11:47 PM

    but is it not racist to say something like, "you can't be attracted to black girls"...?? what is the difference?
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #97 - April 11, 2012, 11:51 PM

    Quote
    Your Vagina Isn’t Just Too Big, Too Floppy, and Too Hairy—It’s Also Too Brown

    Good news, ladies! Society has discovered another new thing that's wrong with you, which means another opportunity for you to make yourself more attractive for your man. Score! Turns out, the color of your vagina is gross and everyone hates it. So bleach that motherfucker. Bleach it right now!

    Jezebel.com

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Tx9vVVMWw0
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #98 - April 11, 2012, 11:53 PM

    but is it not racist to say something like, "you can't be attracted to black girls"...?? what is the difference?


    The difference is I didn't say it and don't think it, and I think what I did say is getting fuckin overanalyzed. In my experience, most guys have a thing for Latina women-- end of, I stand by it and anything anybody else wants to read into it isn't my fuckin problem.

    fuck you
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #99 - April 12, 2012, 12:34 AM

    It's wrong to frown upon preference and the appreciation of physical looks. That's counterproductive. Better to beautify talent, learning, knowledge, art and craft so that they are equal aspirations to physical perfection.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #100 - April 12, 2012, 12:36 AM



    Yep. Saw that news story/video a few days ago... Man... W.T.F. wacko

    I just love how in the diagram in the ad, the woman's crotch becomes EVEN WHITER than the rest of her body! I can see this as a comedy sketch: Woman with glaring white crotch walking around, the bright white light emanating from between her legs shines the way on dark moonless nights.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #101 - April 12, 2012, 12:51 AM

     Cheesy

    fuck you
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #102 - April 12, 2012, 01:16 AM


    I think I'd be more upset if I wasn't laughing hysterically at the fact that placing car keys in or near your ladybits has now become a form of acceptable foreplay.

    "I know where I'm going and I know the truth, and I don't have to be what you want me to be. I'm free to be what I want."
    Muhammad Ali
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #103 - April 12, 2012, 07:52 AM

    Well they already have asshole bleaching, so this is just the next logical step Tongue
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #104 - April 12, 2012, 07:55 AM



    Yea, I inherited this new stress after watching way too much porn. 

    I'm brown though, you'd think I could comfortably accept that I'm brown everywhere.  Grin


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #105 - April 12, 2012, 08:08 AM

    i always thought the way they're supposed to be really pink in professional porn was kinda weird... wacko
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #106 - April 12, 2012, 08:28 AM

    Really?  I always thought it was normal and I was weird.  Grin 


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #107 - April 12, 2012, 08:28 AM

    Also nothing wrong with being comfortable with yourself by the way, you should have let that comment stand, confidence is something to be proud of.   Afro

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #108 - April 12, 2012, 08:44 AM

    I've always shaved my arms. I hate my hirsute south indian genes with a passion.
    I agree that women need to make a stand against the obsession of hair removal. I'd join the fight, except I'm too busy shaving and waxing Grin

  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #109 - April 12, 2012, 09:03 AM

    fer me, abood is normal.
     Wink
     Kiss abood
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #110 - April 12, 2012, 09:05 AM

    i think being sexually active develops self-confidence. it's a catch-22 really, but you start realizing that people can be attracted to certain parts of your body you don't particularly like.

    i also think it's important to develop familiarity with yourself. we see others more than we see ourselves, which is why we tend to be uncomfortable with the way we look.

    plus i really think there's something attractive about "imperfections". when i see someone with a feature that stands out, it humanizes them; i see a human struggle. it's hard to explain. but i don't want to be with a god, i wouldn't be able to relate to them.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #111 - April 12, 2012, 11:15 AM

    ... people bleach their assholes? Woah, my entire world view has just... disintegrated.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #112 - April 12, 2012, 11:56 AM

    ... people bleach their assholes? Woah, my entire world view has just... disintegrated.

    who said that Prince?? did you say that?  It means such people need grooming....

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #113 - April 12, 2012, 01:24 PM

    "Men, how comfortable are you IMPOSING those expectations on your woman?"

    Very uncomfortable. Appearances are vastly overrated, and we shouldn't be ashamed of the naturally hairy and messy bodies we have.

    قل للمليحة في الخمار الأسود
    مـاذا فـعــلت بــناسـك مـتـعـبد

    قـد كـان شـمّر لــلـصلاة ثـيابه
    حتى خـطرت له بباب المسجد

    ردي عليـه صـلاتـه وصيـامــه
    لا تـقــتـلــيه بـحـق ديــن محمد
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #114 - April 12, 2012, 01:35 PM

    i think being sexually active develops self-confidence. it's a catch-22 really, but you start realizing that people can be attracted to certain parts of your body you don't particularly like.

    i also think it's important to develop familiarity with yourself. we see others more than we see ourselves, which is why we tend to be uncomfortable with the way we look.

    plus i really think there's something attractive about "imperfections". when i see someone with a feature that stands out, it humanizes them; i see a human struggle. it's hard to explain. but i don't want to be with a god, i wouldn't be able to relate to them.


    It could go the other way you know, being sexually active can destroy what natural comfort you had with yourself before then.

    In a world in which looks are so important quite often rejection after sex leads to the questions "am I not goo enough" "what is wrong with me" and more often than not, especially when the dumper is saying shit like "you're great honestly, it's just me", the natural answer for many is that it was something to do with how they looked or performed.  Especially if things were going so well before he saw you naked, or had you.


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #115 - April 12, 2012, 02:17 PM

    Reminds me of a song.

    fuck you
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #116 - April 12, 2012, 02:23 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhyNZDGs228

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #117 - April 12, 2012, 03:13 PM

    This thread has inspired me to stop shaving/ waxing  for good! (doesn't include facial hair though )

    "its fashionable to be an ex Muslim these days"
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #118 - April 12, 2012, 03:14 PM

     finmad SEE WHAT YOU PEOPLE HAVE DONE!

    fuck you
  • Re: Female grooming and beautification
     Reply #119 - April 16, 2012, 01:54 PM

    One of the things I loved best about leaving the Deen (and my X) was that I didn't have to shave my pubes any more (shaving pubes is part of the fitrah). I hated shaving my pubes as my skin is really sensitive and I break out into a rash whenever I shave or wax or use those awful creams but my X would demand me to do it because it's part of the fitra even though he never shaved his pubes.  Roll Eyes (wish this roll-eyes didn't smile)

    I don't shave anywhere but under my arms now, and only do that because it tends to slow down sweating. I refuse to shave my legs unless I'm going out in a short dress, and even then  finmad I hate it. I've been game enough to go to the shops in a short dress with hairy legs.

    I think it's a silly cultural norm to shave one's legs and bits etc...
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