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  • Re: Porn
     Reply #30 - May 27, 2012, 02:24 AM
    Quote from: chepea on May 27, 2012, 02:21 AM
    When I went to prom, some people were dirty dancing and I dunno, it seemed so...like.....primitive (no offence to anybody)

    Given that it is obviously one of the more primitive parts of our programming and has been around since sexual reproduction was invented sometime before the Cambrian, this is not surprising.

    Why is this necessarily a bad thing?
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  • Re: Porn
     Reply #31 - May 27, 2012, 02:26 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on May 27, 2012, 02:24 AM
    Given that it is obviously one of the more primitive parts of our programming and has been around since sexual reproduction was invented sometime before the Cambrian, this is not surprising.

    Why is this necessarily a bad thing?

    I don't knowww!!!! Fine, porn isn't necessarily bad. It might be, but if it is, I don't know why.

    I still don't like it though.
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  • Re: Porn
     Reply #32 - May 27, 2012, 02:28 AM
    Ok. grin12
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  • Re: Porn
     Reply #33 - May 27, 2012, 02:28 AM
    I think you're still stuck in the Islamic mindset, to be honest.
  • Re: Porn
     Reply #34 - May 27, 2012, 02:29 AM
    Quote from: chepea on May 27, 2012, 01:12 AM
    Hi everyone!

    So this is a thread to discuss porn philosophically. So please keep it clean folks. Thank you! Smiley

    K, so I think porn is bad. I don't know why. It's immoral though.


    You mean you haven't come to actual reasons why but have a negative feeling towards it? That's understandable though you're going to have to rationalize it as that won't be good enough to anyone in debate.

    Quote from: chepea on May 27, 2012, 01:12 AM
    Anyway, so I figure, most people here think it's okay because of consent, but I was wondering, does anybody know the implications of widespread porn use socially and emotionally? I just find it hard to believe that it doesn't affect a person psychologically and change their mindset. And if it does so negatively, shouldn't it be considered immoral regardless of consent? As in, I don't think consent should determine whether something is immoral or not, eg euthanasia....but I'm not really sure. Tongue


    In what ways would it effect someone negatively? Are you speaking about porn in general or a specific hardcore porn? Kinda reminds me of what Ted Bundy use to go on about how pornography had a great deal of effect in he's murders.

    If it effects one person negatively but the majority positively or neutral should it be considered immoral in the cost of the rest?

    Quote from: chepea on May 27, 2012, 01:12 AM
    I also don't really know anything about the porn industry, but what motivates people to become porn stars?

    And what's everyone here's 'philosophical' view on pornography?

    Kay, thanks!!! Smiley Smiley And remember, no matter what you type, I'll be here judging! Tongue Hahaha. j/k


    I don't care what consenting adults do but I do have a problem with government rules disallowing porn to be viewed by those under 21. All the while having sex is okay and no real age is put on it. Not that I have a problem with the latter only that it seems bizarre that you can't watch porn but could engage in the act itself.
  • Re: Porn
     Reply #35 - May 27, 2012, 02:30 AM
    Quote from: Abood on May 27, 2012, 02:28 AM
    I think you're still stuck in the Islamic mindset, to be honest.

    Oh yeah, definitely. yes That is absolutely 100% true. One of the reasons I want to move away for uni tbh. It'll be so exciting! dance

    Quote from: osmanthus on May 27, 2012, 02:28 AM
    Ok. grin12

    You just exist to corrupt the morals of innocents Tongue LOL j/k
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  • Re: Porn
     Reply #36 - May 27, 2012, 02:34 AM
    Hi Eternity, thanks for your reply. Smiley

    Quote from: Eternity on May 27, 2012, 02:29 AM
    You mean you haven't come to actual reasons why but have a negative feeling towards it? That's understandable though you're going to have to rationalize it as that won't be good enough to anyone in debate.

    Yeah, I know, that's why I didn't bother giving reasons. I know they'd all just be rationalising so why bother?

    Quote
    In what ways would it effect someone negatively? Are you speaking about porn in general or a specific hardcore porn? Kinda reminds me of what Ted Bundy use to go on about how pornography had a great deal of effect in he's murders.

    See all the Wiki articles I quoted grin12 It objectifies women and stuff.

    Quote
    If it effects one person negatively but the majority positively or neutral should it be considered immoral in the cost of the rest?

    Positively? Positively how? :/

    Quote
    I don't care what consenting adults do but I do have a problem with government rules disallowing porn to be viewed by those under 21. All the while having sex is okay and no real age is put on it. Not that I have a problem with the latter only that it seems bizarre that you can't watch porn but could engage in the act itself.

    Like Trudeau said, "There's no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation."

    And do those gov't rules actually apply to the internet? I'm sure that teen boys manage to access porn regardless of the law...
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  • Re: Porn
     Reply #37 - May 27, 2012, 02:36 AM
    Quote from: chepea on May 27, 2012, 02:30 AM
    Oh yeah, definitely. yes That is absolutely 100% true. One of the reasons I want to move away for uni tbh. It'll be so exciting! dance

     whistling2


    Quote
    You just exist to corrupt the morals of innocents Tongue LOL j/k

    Sounds like you wont need any help. Cheesy
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  • Re: Porn
     Reply #38 - May 27, 2012, 02:38 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on May 27, 2012, 02:36 AM
    whistling2

    Sounds like you wont need any help. Cheesy

    I don't intend to do anything bad at uni. I just don't want to be under the intellectual influence of my parents. They're really nice, if you met them you would never want to disagree with them. And they love Islam so much, so I do too. Smiley

    Os, what were you before you were an atheist? (like, religion-wise I mean)
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  • Re: Porn
     Reply #39 - May 27, 2012, 02:41 AM
    I was sort of Christian, but only soft core rather than hard core. Sort of Christian erotica, so to speak. Smiley
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  • Re: Porn
     Reply #40 - May 27, 2012, 02:45 AM
    Quote from: chepea on May 27, 2012, 02:34 AM
    Hi Eternity, thanks for your reply. Smiley
    Yeah, I know, that's why I didn't bother giving reasons. I know they'd all just be rationalising so why bother?


    Well that's understandable it's always best to know why you think something before passing judgement.

    Quote from: chepea on May 27, 2012, 02:34 AM
    See all the Wiki articles I quoted grin12 It objectifies women and stuff.


    Well again if they are both aware of what's going to occur it's their responsibility. Though I do agree that certain acts are really degrading but yeah they don't seem to mind it.


    Quote from: chepea on May 27, 2012, 02:34 AM
    Positively? Positively how? :/


    Well for example it could help relieve sexual urges a teen or anyone might have. It can even prevent some from acting out some fantasies they may have.


    Quote from: chepea on May 27, 2012, 02:34 AM
    Like Trudeau said, "There's no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation." And do those gov't rules actually apply to the internet? I'm sure that teen boys manage to access porn regardless of the law...


    Sure, but why put it up in the first place? I can understand the SITES doing it to avoid any legal action but why allow it to be upheld by the government?
  • Re: Porn
     Reply #41 - May 27, 2012, 03:07 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on May 27, 2012, 02:41 AM
    I was sort of Christian, but only soft core rather than hard core. Sort of Christian erotica, so to speak. Smiley

    Cheesy Cool thanks!
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  • Re: Porn
     Reply #42 - May 27, 2012, 03:10 AM
    Quote from: Eternity on May 27, 2012, 02:45 AM
    Well again if they are both aware of what's going to occur it's their responsibility. Though I do agree that certain acts are really degrading but yeah they don't seem to mind it.

    Wellllllll, Wiki says:

    Quote from: Wiki
    Feminists argue that, in most cases, prostitution is not a conscious and calculated choice. They say that most women who become prostitutes do so because they were forced or coerced by a pimp or by human trafficking, or, when it is an independent decision, it is generally the result of extreme poverty and lack of opportunity, or of serious underlying problems, such as drug addiction, past trauma (such as child sexual abuse) and other unfortunate circumstances

    So..yeah.........

    Quote from: Eternity
    Well for example it could help relieve sexual urges a teen or anyone might have. It can even prevent some from acting out some fantasies they may have.

    Is this speculation? :/

    Quote from: Eternity
    Sure, but why put it up in the first place? I can understand the SITES doing it to avoid any legal action but why allow it to be upheld by the government?

    So...you don't think there should be a minimum age to viewing porn?....I dunno how to counter-argue that, sorry, but I totally disagree. I guess the gov't has reasons for doing it. Smiley
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  • Re: Porn
     Reply #43 - May 27, 2012, 03:44 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on May 27, 2012, 01:38 AM
    Ok, so try breaking it down a bit.

    Are you still at the "boys are icky" stage?

    Are you just more or less repeating what you have been taught about attitudes to sex?

    Do you find the whole idea of sex distasteful, and therefore extend that to "porn is bad"?

    Is all porn automatically bad, or only some?

    Etc. Smiley

    I do, and I still don't say porn is bad. Tongue
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  • Re: Porn
     Reply #44 - May 27, 2012, 04:03 AM
    Chepea..I think it's good that you've started a thread on this btw, shows you are open minded and willing to change your views by learning more.
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  • Re: Porn
     Reply #45 - May 27, 2012, 04:12 AM
    Quote from: chepea on May 27, 2012, 03:10 AM
    Wellllllll, Wiki says:
    So..yeah.........
    Is this speculation? :/
    So...you don't think there should be a minimum age to viewing porn?....I dunno how to counter-argue that, sorry, but I totally disagree. I guess the gov't has reasons for doing it. Smiley


    In regards to prostitution, in the 90's there was a divide in feminists on how to view porn and prostitution.  There were some who said that prostitution, by it's very nature, was harmful and there were others who thought that prostitution and pornography can have bad effects, but they can also have good effects as well. 
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: Porn
     Reply #46 - May 27, 2012, 08:31 AM
    Porn can be good, for instance

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Yyhiar_BU
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
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  • Re: Porn
     Reply #47 - May 27, 2012, 10:27 AM
    Well, I'm disappointed. 46 posts in and nobody's posted one decent pornsite.
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  • Re: Porn
     Reply #48 - May 27, 2012, 11:37 AM
    Quote from: deusvult on May 27, 2012, 04:12 AM
    In regards to prostitution, in the 90's there was a divide in feminists on how to view porn and prostitution.  There were some who said that prostitution, by it's very nature, was harmful and there were others who thought that prostitution and pornography can have bad effects, but they can also have good effects as well.  

    That's still pretty much the case.

    Sex-positive feminism vs. anti-pornography feminism
    (Note: I don't necessarily agree with everything she says.)
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  • Re: Porn
     Reply #49 - May 27, 2012, 11:59 AM
      
    Quote from: toor on May 27, 2012, 10:27 AM
    Well, I'm disappointed. 46 posts in and nobody's posted one decent pornsite.

     well let me help there that is easy

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  • Re: Porn
     Reply #50 - May 27, 2012, 02:16 PM
    As a more recent apostate I have yet to formulate an unbiased opinion on this topic without the influence of years of cultural and islamic indoctrination - but if I were to pick a side, I guess I would err on the side of freedom of choice. Nevertheless I wonder - as someone suggested earlier - whether this, along with the constant bombardment of how the ideal woman should look like by the media could lead to the promotion of the objectification of women, similar to how the hijab/burka do so in islamic societies?
  • Re: Porn
     Reply #51 - May 27, 2012, 05:01 PM
    Quote from: chepea on May 27, 2012, 02:14 AM
    When large scale excavations of Pompeii were undertaken in the 1860s, much of the erotic art of the Romans came to light, shocking the Victorians who saw themselves as the intellectual heirs of the Roman Empire. They did not know what to do with the frank depictions of sexuality, and endeavored to hide them away from everyone but upper class scholars.


    It was not just the Romans, some of the early Muslim Caliphs were also into it. There are frescos of a naked woman from a palace of Caliph Al-Walid I (reigned 705 – 715 AD / 86-96 of the Arabian Era).





  • Re: Porn
     Reply #52 - May 27, 2012, 05:27 PM
    Quote from: Mohamed on May 27, 2012, 02:16 PM
    As a more recent apostate I have yet to formulate an unbiased opinion on this topic without the influence of years of cultural and islamic indoctrination - but if I were to pick a side, I guess I would err on the side of freedom of choice. Nevertheless I wonder - as someone suggested earlier - whether this, along with the constant bombardment of how the ideal woman should look like by the media could lead to the promotion of the objectification of women, similar to how the hijab/burka do so in islamic societies?

    Haha, yeah dude, I apostatised in like April, so I'm definitely biased.

    About freedom of choice, I'm not sure if I value that more than shame & modesty. :/

    I don't see how the hijab objectifies women though. :/ Its purpose is kind of the opposite. Tongue But I'm a hijabi, so I guess that's bias, LOL!
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  • Re: Porn
     Reply #53 - May 27, 2012, 05:28 PM
    Quote from: Stardust on May 27, 2012, 04:03 AM
    Chepea..I think it's good that you've started a thread on this btw, shows you are open minded and willing to change your views by learning more.

    Thanks Dust. Tongue Actually, I didn't intend to change my views, but now I have to. >.<
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  • Re: Porn
     Reply #54 - May 27, 2012, 05:29 PM
    Quote from: deusvult on May 27, 2012, 08:31 AM
    Porn can be good, for instance

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2Yyhiar_BU

    Cheesy Cheesy Hehe, that's so awkward...
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  • Re: Porn
     Reply #55 - May 27, 2012, 05:37 PM
    Quote from: chepea on May 27, 2012, 05:27 PM
    Haha, yeah dude, I apostatised in like April, so I'm definitely biased.

    About freedom of choice, I'm not sure if I value that more than shame & modesty. :/

    I don't see how the hijab objectifies women though. :/ Its purpose is kind of the opposite. Tongue But I'm a hijabi, so I guess that's bias, LOL!


    The hijab (niquaab and all the other coverings of women laws) takes away the right of woman to do what she wishes with her body.

    A lot of Muslim scholars like to compare Muslim women to diamonds that has to be covered because they're so precious. Diamonds are objects, they are possessed by people (and in the case of comparing to women by men). Objectifying women comes in because it places focus on the appearances, focuses on her sexuality, she's a woman and so she will sexually arouse men etc and needs to be covered up.
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  • Re: Porn
     Reply #56 - May 27, 2012, 05:52 PM
    Quote from: Stardust on May 27, 2012, 05:37 PM
    The hijab (niquaab and all the other coverings of women laws) takes away the right of woman to do what she wishes with her body.

    Unless she's choosing to wear it, right?

    Quote
    A lot of Muslim scholars like to compare Muslim women to diamonds that has to be covered because they're so precious. Diamonds are objects, they are possessed by people (and in the case of comparing to women by men). Objectifying women comes in because it places focus on the appearances, focuses on her sexuality, she's a woman and so she will sexually arouse men etc and needs to be covered up.

    Oh right. :/ Sorry, as a hijabi, this isn't exactly the way I think it comes across (at least not in my experience), but maybe other people feel differently. Smiley
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  • Re: Porn
     Reply #57 - May 27, 2012, 06:02 PM
    It doesn't matter how you like to internalize it. The fact remains that the rationale for why it was originally imposed is pretty much how Stardust describes.
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  • Re: Porn
     Reply #58 - May 27, 2012, 06:04 PM
    But the whole point of the hijab is to NOT objectify women because you're not supposed to focussing on her appearance, hence the hijab. 
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  • Re: Porn
     Reply #59 - May 27, 2012, 06:06 PM
    No, its still focussing on her appearance, just the focus is shifted to covering her appearance up. 
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