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  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #30 - June 03, 2012, 08:44 AM
    Quote from: Stardust on June 03, 2012, 08:37 AM
    Saying you have a degree in 'so and so' indicates the work you had to do to get it. Also I think the importance of your undergrad is dependant on your subject and career choice.

    Not really. I know for a fact that telling people I have a degree in journalism isn't going to get me anywhere. To get hired, or even published, you need a portfolio and/or an internship. Either way, it's evidence of experience.

    The same is true for many degrees. But some degrees integrate the requirement for experience, such as medicine, where you can't get the degree without the internship.
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #31 - June 03, 2012, 08:50 AM
    Quote from: Abood on June 03, 2012, 08:42 AM
    Or it could be that the way they feel towards you changed after having sex. It happens. Relationship dynamics change.


    I get that.  I guess I was just so shit that even the idea of being my friend after was just too much him.  Its the lack of respect after that bites, not the lack of a 'relationship' lol

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    And there shouldn't be. What a boring ending.


    I disagree, what the fuck is boring about finding someone to be with that you can relax with?  that you can plan with?  That you can grow old with?

    Why is that boring?  that makes no sense, really it doesn't, you replied as if life becomes stagnate at finding a happily ever after love as if life around you someone ceased to be.  As long as life is around you, what on earth is going to be boring?

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    This might sound like a platitude, but there's no such thing as normal. If there was, it would be boring. I found that I started being a lot happier and "shining" more when I stopped trying to be what I thought people expected of me.


    Yea.  It's been better for me too learning to just be me. 

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    The way I see it, you don't have to be close/good friends with all your friends. You can hang out with some people without taking your friendship too seriously. I think it's generally a problem with introverts that we try to get intimate with as many people as we can, but some people just can't handle it.


    Oh yea.  This was a long time ago though.  It is something I know now and I only have a couple of friends that i hold up above all others.  I've learned not to have expectations off the other people, they are just acquaintances.

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    When I was in Paris with my family, we were in a cab and there was dog shit all over the floor in the back. It soiled our clothes and bags. That was 17 years ago. I still remember the smell.


    Exactly vomit  it's vile and the smell lingers in the fucking nose so bad. 
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #32 - June 03, 2012, 08:51 AM
    Quote from: Abood on June 03, 2012, 08:44 AM
    Not really. I know for a fact that telling people I have a degree in journalism isn't going to get me anywhere. To get hired, or even published, you need a portfolio and/or an internship. Either way, it's evidence of experience.

    The same is true for many degrees. But some degrees integrate the requirement for experience, such as medicine, where you can't the degree without the internship.


    I would say that's because journalism is quite a popular subject, so it results in higher competition, reducing the value of the degree of individuals and means you have to get 'extra stuff' to look impressive.

    More 'technical' subjects such as sciences, psychology (as berbs mentioned) etc there isn't such high competition compared to journalism, sure extra stuff always puts you at an advantage, but technical knowledge obtained from your undergraduate is crucial, if you don't understand the principles of some process...you can't do your job.

    Also when you add more academic careers then that becomes even more so important for an undergrad to have your foundation grounded upon.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #33 - June 03, 2012, 08:51 AM
    Quote from: Stardust on June 03, 2012, 08:38 AM
    DAMN IT BERBS  finmad lol


    Tongue na na na na na Tongue

    Bet you wished you known I'd already posted that.  Grin

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #34 - June 03, 2012, 08:56 AM
    nvm
    "Nobody who lived through the '50s thought the '60s could've existed. So there's always hope."-Tuli Kupferberg

    What apple stores are like.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QmZWv-eBI
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #35 - June 03, 2012, 08:58 AM
    Quote from: BerberElla on June 03, 2012, 08:51 AM
    Tongue na na na na na Tongue

    Bet you wished you known I'd already posted that.  Grin




    I was going to write a longer reply, changed my mind, went to post and see you've already posted something >.<

    /is a bit slow now, didn't sleep.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #36 - June 03, 2012, 09:17 AM
    Quote from: BerberElla on June 03, 2012, 08:50 AM
    I get that.  I guess I was just so shit that even the idea of being my friend after was just too much him.  Its the lack of respect after that bites, not the lack of a 'relationship' lol

    Honestly, I don't think bad sex would make someone not your friend anymore. I've had some pretty mediocre experiences with friends, but I never thought, "OMG, can't be your friend anymore, so fucking terrible!" If anything, bad sex makes it easier to go back to being just friends.

    A guy might be perplexed by the new relationship dynamic, so might do something hurtful as a way to distance himself. I've definitely been in situations where I've wanted to distance myself but decided instead to face my feelings head on. It's a hard decision though, and many people don't act rationally when in that position.

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    I disagree, what the fuck is boring about finding someone to be with that you can relax with?  that you can plan with?  That you can grow old with?

    Sorry, didn't mean to attack your aspirations. But the way I see it, that's not a "happily ever after", just a new chapter that's full of struggles. And I think that's what makes it a cause of happiness: people want someone to share their struggles with. And yes, it's definitely nice to have. But honestly, I'm single and loving it. I just had a date recently and it made me realize that I absolutely love meeting new people and having those new experiences with them. "OMG ARE WE GONNA KISS, ARE WE GONNA HOLD HANDS?!" kinda thing.. lol. It's a lot of fun, all this budding romance stuff... grin12
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #37 - June 03, 2012, 09:23 AM
    Quote from: Stardust on June 03, 2012, 08:51 AM
    More 'technical' subjects such as sciences, psychology (as berbs mentioned) etc there isn't such high competition compared to journalism, sure extra stuff always puts you at an advantage, but technical knowledge obtained from your undergraduate is crucial, if you don't understand the principles of some process...you can't do your job.

    Yeh, I get that, but you can get into a lot of jobs without much technical knowledge. I'm not saying you can be a doctor or an engineer without a degree. Of course not. But there are many jobs out there that don't really require that sort of stuff. For example, I can start my own business if I wanted. It would be harder for me without a degree, but the degree itself isn't worth much, it's what you learn to get it that has value. And what you learn can be learnt outside of school. I was actually thinking of getting some business start-up books to help me start a new online publication.

    My point is that the need of a university education is overemphasized in a lot of fields. University doesn't have a monopoly over knowledge or generally over the gateways to career paths. You can learn a lot of stuff independently, and being an independent learner can even give you a good reputation because it would show that you take initiative.

    Journalism as a field of study isn't popular. What makes it more competitive is the fact that it's not very technical. You can buy a book or two about writing and editing and be set on your way.
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #38 - June 03, 2012, 09:46 AM
    Quote from: Abood on June 03, 2012, 09:23 AM
    Yeh, I get that, but you can get into a lot of jobs without much technical knowledge. I'm not saying you can be a doctor or an engineer without a degree. Of course not. But there are many jobs out there that don't really require that sort of stuff. For example, I can start my own business if I wanted. It would be harder for me without a degree, but the degree itself isn't worth much, it's what you learn to get it that has value. And what you learn can be learnt outside of school. I was actually thinking of getting some business start-up books to help me start a new online publication.

    My point is that the need of a university education is overemphasized in a lot of fields. University doesn't have a monopoly over knowledge or generally over the gateways to career paths. You can learn a lot of stuff independently, and being an independent learner can even give you a good reputation because it would show that you take initiative.



    Sure, but given the current system as it is. If you think about it, it's not just university level, it starts right from the get go of the schooling system. You're taught to learn in a certain way and a lot of people become dependant on that sort of learning, I think with the internet being available to kids from a very young age these days probably counters that conditioning that schools try to put on kids.

    I agree it's not the only way of learning, BUT (da big butt), erm, employers are more likely to employ you given that you have a degree especially big companies like IBM or whatever) where you apply online, and you won't even get past the initially screening without having a degree even if it's just 'on paper' stuff, you need the on paper to get through most gates.

    You can't radically change the education system...because it affects a whoooole lot more than just itself, it does need changing, but it's going to take time.

    Developing your own business on the other hand is a different thing, it's not for everybody either, it takes a certain character to be successful in that area, I agree you don't need a degree for this one.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #39 - June 03, 2012, 09:47 AM
    So yes, I say university does have the monomoply to careeer paths gateways etc currently.

    Not that it's the right thing/system, but this is how i think it is.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #40 - June 03, 2012, 09:51 AM
    Quote from: Alex Lam Meem on June 02, 2012, 08:24 PM
    Hypocrucifier! I thought you were gone from the forums! Glad to see you!


    oh! hi ! far away hug thanks for the welcome , for a moment  I had dreaded that you were happy I was gone ! Cheesy BTW I have noticed you haven't been very regular either. Hope everything is Ok at your end.


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  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #41 - June 03, 2012, 09:55 AM
    I went to a career advice session recently, and one of the first things we were told is that it's very unlikely to get hired by going through the "official" application process. I think the adviser said it was something like 7% of people who get hired by applying online, etc. People tend to get hired because they have connections or are assertive, etc. Looking good on paper is a small part of getting a job. A huge part of it is standing out as an individual, whether through networking, or through calling and following up, etc. You basically need to be able to (respectfully) nag people. It's a learned skill.

    Even when I try to get published in a certain newspaper or magazine, I don't just email them and give them my portfolio. If they don't respond (and they usually don't), I email them back, assert myself, ask if they got my email, etc.
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #42 - June 03, 2012, 09:59 AM
    Quote from: Abood on June 03, 2012, 09:55 AM
    I went to a career advice session recently, and one of the first things we were told is that it's very unlikely to get hired by going through the "official" application process. I think the adviser said it was something like 7% of people who get hired by applying online, etc. People tend to get hired because they have connections or are assertive, etc. Looking good on paper is a small part of getting a job. A huge part of it is standing out as an individual, whether through networking, or through calling and following up, etc. You basically need to be able to (respectfully) nag people. It's a learned skill.


    You need to do those things in addition to having a degree, but if everybody has a degree and they have extra stuff, and you just trying with your stuff..it's not gonna work.

    Bottom line is having a degree gives you an advantage compared to not having a degree. All these extra other things are 'on top of a degree' stuff.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #43 - June 03, 2012, 10:01 AM
    Quote from: BerberElla on June 03, 2012, 08:50 AM

    I disagree, what the fuck is boring about finding someone to be with that you can relax with?  that you can plan with?  That you can grow old with?

    Why is that boring?  that makes no sense, really it doesn't, you replied as if life becomes stagnate at finding a happily ever after love as if life around you someone ceased to be.  As long as life is around you, what on earth is going to be boring?

                                  

      



                                                         



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #44 - June 03, 2012, 10:03 AM
    Quote from: Stardust on June 03, 2012, 09:59 AM
    You need to do those things in addition to having a degree, but if everybody has a degree and they have extra stuff, and you just trying with your stuff..it's not gonna work.

    Bottom line is having a degree gives you an advantage compared to not having a degree. All these extra other things are 'on top of a degree' stuff.

    I disagree. I mean, I have a pretty solid knowledge of photography and photo-editing/photoshopping. I have absolutely no formal training in photography, all I did was read a book and practice. And I've already sold some photographs.

    So yes, like I said, it depends on the field. Some fields like engineering and medicine you need the formal training. But others don't.
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #45 - June 03, 2012, 10:06 AM
    Yes, I think I mentioned subject and degree importantce relation in my first post Tongue
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #46 - June 03, 2012, 10:10 AM
    I think people tend to forget about the freelance and self-employment career paths, which can be a gateway to getting employed. Even something more technical like graphic design you can learn yourself. It takes a lot of effort and dedication, but you can do it. Then you can find freelance graphic design work, build a solid portfolio, and after that look for a stable job. It's a viable career path.
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #47 - June 03, 2012, 10:12 AM
    I think the point is they don't pay as much as being a lawyer for example, and aren't as stable jobs... People want long term security and stuff

    OPPS missed ur point on stability IM TIRED OKAY?!
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #48 - June 03, 2012, 10:13 AM
    Not everyone does. I know many freelancers who love their job and wouldn't replace it for something more stable. Freelancing has its pros too, like freedom and independence.
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #49 - June 03, 2012, 10:15 AM
    All I'm saying is that it's a career path that exists. You don't have to take it, but it's there. Tongue
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #50 - June 03, 2012, 10:15 AM
    Quote from: Abood on June 03, 2012, 10:13 AM
    Not everyone does. I know many freelancers who love their job and wouldn't replace it for something more stable. Freelancing has its pros too, like freedom and independence.


    Who would want that? unless they inherited good money or something, otherwise you get old and grey with barely any savings and having to work even then?
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #51 - June 03, 2012, 10:16 AM
    Go to elance.com and see how many people are signed up. Tongue (it's a website where people find all sorts of freelancing stuff).
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #52 - June 03, 2012, 10:18 AM
    Freelance stuff is good i suppose for temp stuff, not long term. Tongue
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #53 - June 03, 2012, 10:19 AM
    Unless you can get really high paying contract work, then you do some of that with some unstability, but you save enough, retire early.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #54 - June 03, 2012, 10:20 AM
    I've actually had many profs who do/did freelance work and love/loved it. Actually one of my profs quit his job to just concentrate on freelancing. And he's pretty old, been doing it all his life.

    A lot of people don't like it and find it stressful, but a lot of people love it.
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #55 - June 03, 2012, 10:23 AM
    Quote from: Abood on June 03, 2012, 10:20 AM
    I've actually had many profs who do/did freelance work and love/loved it. Actually one of my profs quit his job to just concentrate on freelancing. And he's pretty old, been doing it all his life.

    A lot of people don't like it and find it stressful, but a lot of people love it.


    yes but ur prof is a prof and he probably got loadsa money from that, saved...(does he have a wife? whats her job? Is he from a rich background?)...he's doing it for enjoying stuff, not for the money cos he ain't worrying about paying da bills, that's the difference,
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #56 - June 03, 2012, 10:24 AM
    No, he quit his job as a prof.

    I'm talking about people who actually make a living by just freelancing.

    Actually, I just completed a freelancing course in school, and one of our assignments was to interview someone who lives off freelancing work. It wasn't hard to find people. There are many.
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #57 - June 03, 2012, 10:27 AM
    Quote from: Abood on June 03, 2012, 10:24 AM
    No, he quit his job as a prof.

    I'm talking about people who actually make a living by just freelancing.

    Actually, I just completed a freelancing course in school, and one of our assignments was to interview someone who lives off freelancing work. It wasn't hard to find people. There are many.


    Maybe there are, but what are their circumstances? so you've interviewed them, do they come from mainly middle or working class families?

    Tell us more about the interview outcomes
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #58 - June 03, 2012, 10:35 AM
    I think freelancers by and large are working class people who live paycheque to paycheque. Some manage to save a bit, some don't. Some also try to complement their freelance work with other stuff, such as part time employment or random gigs here and there. Others manage to live entirely off freelancing.

    Some people do it as a way to get a job because the market is currently tough, others do it because they love it and wouldn't give it up for a more stable career. Some are married, others aren't.
  • Re: I wish I'd known...
     Reply #59 - June 03, 2012, 10:37 AM
    I NEED NUMBERSSSS lol


     Cheesy

    nah, kidding, i thought i funny tho LOL
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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