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  • Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     OP - June 25, 2012, 12:58 PM
    Hi, I "reverted" to islam a while back but it doesnt do much for me so thinking of leaving. Sad thing is I'm married now to a muslim and have children so am really stuck  Huh?

    Will have to figure something out.

    I miss being able to do whatever I was to be honest. I'm not able to stay in a loving committed relationship sadly, I just miss partying and doing what I want.

    Anyone else in a similar predicament?

    Part of me just wants to do a runner from family but that would be irresponsible, I married and had kids on the assumption I would be a committed Muslim and kids would be Muslim, wife is hardcore practicing, no interest to stop my kids being muslim or call my wife away from Islam, i just don't believe in anything so wanna party,

    I dont know how you guys feel about things like strip clubs and brothels but I think they are  my purpose in life and I just want to work and spend my spare time in those places and I will have died a fulfilling life. I think I might actually have an addiction. Ive already cheated on my wife quite a few times, I know its terrible but I am a confused individual.

    Anyways Ill look forward to your feedback, I'm confiding in you guys because I have nowhere else really so please don't be too harsh on what Ive just disclosed, I know people will disapprove probably but we all got our own situations.

    Hope to hear some sound advice on what to do. Thanks everyone and nice to meet you all
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #1 - June 25, 2012, 01:06 PM
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #2 - June 25, 2012, 01:11 PM
    Looks like a troll, time will tell.  Wink
    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #3 - June 25, 2012, 01:22 PM
    wow, come on guys you shouldn't be quite so judgmental as that

    what is it that makes my story so unbelievable?

    If its the cheating on my wife thing, I actually think I have an addiction to sex so I can't help it

    I came here for some support, not people to be just as judgmental as the other side of the camp (who admittedly would do far more than accuse me of being a troll if it got out to be fair).

    But i assure you i'm genuine. Human beings instinctively enjoy sex and I can literally walk into a massage parlour and have 5 incredibly stunning women to choose from, so naturally for some people that's a hard choice not to make. Actually there are plenty of pakistanis and other muslims in there usually too.

    I would ask you guys to be a little less judgmental and give me a chance as you don't know anything about me except one post
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #4 - June 25, 2012, 01:24 PM
    Welcome to the forum.

    I hope you are not looking for approval here to your decision to leave the wife with kids? That decision has to be yours and you have to take full responsibility for it if that's what you will decide.

    How old are the kids and how did you "revert" in the first place?
    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #5 - June 25, 2012, 01:40 PM
    Hi, Im not looking for approval so much as looking for advice as to what is the right thing to do. I think I actually have a problem and am unable to stay faithful to wife, plus she wouldn't want to be married to me if she A) knew I was visiting massage parlours and B) no longer had any belief in Islam. I could try to get some counceling of some sort and try to stick it out and be a "closet apostate" or I could just leave and make a new start and tell my wife a different reason for breaking up and of course, visit my children (but I would have to fake being a Muslim when I visited), obviously I wouldn't feel ok with not having contact with kids but I had them on the understanding that they would be raised Muslim and I won't go back on that agreement. Not looking for approval, just some advice really, what are peoples opinions on what the best thing for me to do is?

    In terms of how I converted, it's a long story and I don't want to give too much away in case anyone realizes who I actually am as my revert story is online etc, but in brief, guess I always thought Islam offered what my own upbringing didn't have in terms of proper family values etc, but I guess I've turned into the thing I despised growing up, praying 5 times a day is a ridiculous headache that I cant maintain and see no point, I don't have any particularly strong belief in God, I converted for the wrong reasons I guess. I just find it hard to believe anything will happen when I die so I'd rather do the things which I enjoy whilst I'm here and then I can rest peacefully afterwards. People want to do different things in life, I don't particularly miss clubbing and the usual stuff but I do miss women, I don't see anything wrong with that as long as its between two consenting adults, and that includes prostitution (I dont believe there is anything immoral with this as its a womans choice what to do with her body) and I would favour legalising and ensuring for STD checks weekly, checks for trafficked or underaged girls etc and taxing income of prostitutes rather than banning it
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #6 - June 25, 2012, 01:57 PM
    Welcome.  I am not getting a picture of you, your wife and children as real people who you love and that you will be heartbroken if you leave.

    If she gave up Islam would you stay with her?  Do you have anything in common?
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #7 - June 25, 2012, 02:00 PM
    Can you try and be just a little less controversial with your first 3 posts? LOL

    Back to your family issues. What would you ideally see happen? What is important for you? Seems that you know that you don't want to stay with the wifey and hide all the time, so what can someone advise you? What would you advise yourself?

    Don't do it, be a good family man and stop cheating, pretend to be a muslim for the sake of kids because you made a promise???

    I think most people on the forum would not agree with the value of keeping that promise (unless you live in Pakistan or Iran, but it doesn't sound that you do). Everything else is impossible to advise you without knowing you and knowing everything about your situation. How long can you pretend? How long can you live the life you don't want to live? Only you know that.

    You are in a situation when nothing you can possibly do is right. Deceiving your wife - not right. Leaving her with the kids for pussy - not right. Of course I'm assuming that it is impossible for you to change, i.e. become someone you;re not with help of counselling - I'm not a believer in that. You may have to accept that you will have to make the wrong choice and have all the guilt that comes with it for the rest of your life, but if it helps - you can remind yourself that there was no right choice.
    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #8 - June 25, 2012, 02:26 PM
    Quote from: moi on June 25, 2012, 01:57 PM
    Welcome.  I am not getting a picture of you, your wife and children as real people who you love and that you will be heartbroken if you leave.

    If she gave up Islam would you stay with her?  Do you have anything in common?


    To be honest I havent really been happy with her for a long time. Being married is like torture for me. I love my children though and it is hard to accept that once its over its over, there is no going back ever, that me and my wife would spend the rest of our lives apart after that. Its quite a big decision
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #9 - June 25, 2012, 02:32 PM
    You are planning on seeing your children, right?
    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #10 - June 25, 2012, 02:34 PM
    Quote from: Alex Lam Meem on June 25, 2012, 02:00 PM
    Can you try and be just a little less controversial with your first 3 posts? LOL

    Back to your family issues. What would you ideally see happen? What is important for you? Seems that you know that you don't want to stay with the wifey and hide all the time, so what can someone advise you? What would you advise yourself?

    Don't do it, be a good family man and stop cheating, pretend to be a muslim for the sake of kids because you made a promise???

    I think most people on the forum would not agree with the value of keeping that promise (unless you live in Pakistan or Iran, but it doesn't sound that you do). Everything else is impossible to advise you without knowing you and knowing everything about your situation. How long can you pretend? How long can you live the life you don't want to live? Only you know that.

    You are in a situation when nothing you can possibly do is right. Deceiving your wife - not right. Leaving her with the kids for pussy - not right. Of course I'm assuming that it is impossible for you to change, i.e. become someone you;re not with help of counselling - I'm not a believer in that. You may have to accept that you will have to make the wrong choice and have all the guilt that comes with it for the rest of your life, but if it helps - you can remind yourself that there was no right choice.


    Yeah I know its quite controversial but what can I do? I'm in this mess and it's not like I can visit an Islamic Forum for help on this matter or ask the local imam, it's a real mess. From what I've read most people here were born muslims who didn't have  much in common with the religion and culture of their parents, whereas my situation is quite different. Im quite mixed up any way because I grew up in one of those chav families, I thought Islam was the answer but now I seem to just like doing my own thing a lot more. I was proper hardcore into Islam for a while though. The sort who wears the thowb with long beard and getting frustrated at average muslims for being lax in their deen. I guess you get sick of it after a while though. Some of you will laugh if you realise who I am. I will prob tell some of you privately some day if I settle in well here

    In terms of what I want to do, I want to just leave my family, go live in another city, and work and visit brothels and strip clubs for the rest of my life, I think I'd be happy doing that. I'm really not cut out for relationships and family life. I do love my children though so I'd want to keep some contact, but I'd probably just keep up the Islamic front when I visited them.

    I don't know if thats the right thing to do though. I find the idea of being stuck in my marriage as insufferable to be honest. Muslim women aren't quite what Islam says they are supposed to be like unfortunately, my wife is nothing but a headache, she follows most rules but conventiently ignores the way she's supposed to treat her husband and it just makes life terrible. She might be one of the reasons I've been put off islam in fact, I just feel so down and horrible and stressed that I just don't want anything to do with it.
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #11 - June 25, 2012, 02:36 PM
    Quote from: Alex Lam Meem on June 25, 2012, 02:32 PM
    You are planning on seeing your children, right?


    Yeah it would be too hard not to see them, but as I said I feel I have no place in wanting them to not be Muslim now so would pretend to be a Muslim when I visit them, prob just put on a thowb when I drive over to the city they live in and take them to a mosque and then get some ice cream etc and have fun in the city they are in. Obviously I'm planning to live a less then Islamic lifestyle if I move away so probably wouldn't want them to come to my house
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #12 - June 25, 2012, 02:38 PM
    oh and moi, even if my wife gave up Islam I still wouldnt want to be with her. If I really loved her I would happily stay as a pretend muslim in order to stay married with her, I guess i dont believe in anything so no reason to go on some mission to fight islam, its not going to benefit me, and I dont feel particularly strongly about it, as long as I can be happy in life.
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #13 - June 25, 2012, 02:43 PM
    Quote from: muhandis on June 25, 2012, 02:26 PM
    To be honest I havent really been happy with her for a long time. Being married is like torture for me. I love my children though and it is hard to accept that once its over its over, there is no going back ever, that me and my wife would spend the rest of our lives apart after that. Its quite a big decision


    I'm not getting the sense that you love your children at all to be fair.

    I will never understand the parent who finally realises Islam is false and cruel and yet stands back and allows their own children to be conditioned by it.  I guess for me love is fighting to free my children from Islam.

    Anyway I think you are trolling us. Do you think that being ex muslims means all we care about is strip parlours?  partying? sex? all of that bullshit muslims think we left islam for?

    That you would come here and immediately start banging on about your 'sex addiction' and some dumb contract about you having kids under the impression that they would always be good muslims, but all of the sudden you yourself want more, want the freedom you plan to deny to your children............give me a break.

    that would make you troll number 1736947983674657376483802 who used this story. 
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #14 - June 25, 2012, 02:44 PM
    Quote from: muhandis on June 25, 2012, 02:36 PM
    Yeah it would be too hard not to see them, but as I said I feel I have no place in wanting them to not be Muslim now so would pretend to be a Muslim when I visit them, prob just put on a thowb when I drive over to the city they live in and take them to a mosque and then get some ice cream etc and have fun in the city they are in. Obviously I'm planning to live a less then Islamic lifestyle if I move away so probably wouldn't want them to come to my house


     Roll Eyes This post is just screaming with love for your kids, of course.
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #15 - June 25, 2012, 02:48 PM
     muhandis .. Muhandas..Munda...Munda..

    How are you doing? welcome to the den..

    So what do you want in life??   well.. make  holes in floor use  new one everyday..  big deal.. every thing is hole.. zero.. zippo..  life is full of holes..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #16 - June 25, 2012, 02:55 PM
    Quote from: muhandis on June 25, 2012, 02:34 PM
    Some of you will laugh if you realise who I am. I will prob tell some of you privately some day if I settle in well here


    King Tut?
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #17 - June 25, 2012, 02:56 PM
    berberella no I dont think everyone here wants strip clubs and massage parlours, this is just my personal situation and I think everyone here will have different ideologies, different religions, different reasons for leaving Islam, different home environments etc. I think it's a shame you've branded me a troll for no reason. The reason I have "banged on" about sex addiction and having children is because this site is supposed to be a place of support for ex muslims to discuss their problems and get support and these are the major issues for me as an individual and I feel better to share my problems to people who may be on my wavelength (to a certain degree) and get some advice and feedback and help me figure out what I should do.

    In terms of fighting for your children freedom, I don't think my children will have a bad upbringing, they have a good mother and her relatives are very supportive and loving,  and I know this will be hypocritical but at least I know they wont be getting some of the downsides of western society, there are pro's and con's and I believe they will grow up happy. Of course if they come to the decision by themselves that Islam isn't for them and they confide this in me, I will offer them to come live with me and they can do what they want with their lives, but I do believe I have a moral obligation to allow my wife to raise them muslim as it was the understanding when we got married and had children and I shouldn't go back on that. However, this is how I feel about it personally and I have no wish to tell you how to treat your children if you have children with a muslim husband, of course I'm not saying my way is THE way, it's just what I feel is right in my particular situation. Judging at how most muslims are now, it won't be long before muslims are following christians into the world of atheism anyway, the vast majority of muslim youth here seem to be doing a lot of unislamic things apart from the hardcore muslim youth which are in a minoroity so I'd prefer to let nature run its course. I definitely dont have any desire to get into some sort of anti islamic campaigns of some sort. I dont hate Islam, it just doesnt work for me, I find 5 times prayers unbearable, especially fajr, they are so annoying and monotonous and I dont particular feel like fasting this ramadhan although i guess ill have to, there are some things, I like learning qur'an to some degree but I dont really know what it means and just learn it and recite it so its pretty pointless. Islam just doesnt do anything for me and Id rather be doing the things I enjoy.
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #18 - June 25, 2012, 03:00 PM
    Quote from: asbie on June 25, 2012, 02:55 PM
    King Tut?


    no I'm not a member from this site, although I've lurked for a while, but I am a reasonably well known muslim so some people might be interested to know who I am. obviously i cant publicly disclose that but as I said, if I settle here I'd probabily want to confide it to some people and you'll laugh when I provide links to my previous online islamic activities as its quite a major change when you see how I was before, bit of a zealot
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #19 - June 25, 2012, 03:02 PM
    If you really love your kids and are torn between wanting to stick with your family and your addiction to sex then it sounds like Islam is the perfect solution for you. You are allowed to have up to 4 wives in Islam. So sounds like Islam offers you the perfect excuse to feed your sordid desires.  grin12
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #20 - June 25, 2012, 03:06 PM
    unfortunately tony thats another aspect of Islam that my wife conveniently ignores. If only...
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #21 - June 25, 2012, 03:08 PM
    Quote from: muhandis on June 25, 2012, 03:00 PM
    no I'm not a member from this site, although I've lurked for a while, but I am a reasonably well known muslim so some people might be interested to know who I am. obviously i cant publicly disclose that but as I said, if I settle here I'd probabily want to confide it to some people and you'll laugh when I provide links to my previous online islamic activities as its quite a major change when you see how I was before, bit of a zealot


    You Zakir Naik? C'mon pm me with confirmation if you are, your secret is safe with me.  lipsrsealed
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #22 - June 25, 2012, 03:12 PM
    lol noone that big asbie, I prob woudlnt disclose who i am for quite a while but in the future I might disclose to a few people if I deem it ok to do so.

    When I do, you'll see why its funny
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #23 - June 25, 2012, 03:13 PM
    Quote from: muhandis on June 25, 2012, 02:34 PM
    In terms of what I want to do, I want to just leave my family, go live in another city, and work and visit brothels and strip clubs for the rest of my life, I think I'd be happy doing that.

    Perhaps you should ask yourself why you think you’d be happy visiting brothels and strip clubs for the rest of your life? 

    Quote from: muhandis on June 25, 2012, 02:34 PM
    Muslim women aren't quite what Islam says they are supposed to be like unfortunately, my wife is nothing but a headache, she follows most rules but conventiently ignores the way she's supposed to treat her husband and it just makes life terrible. She might be one of the reasons I've been put off islam in fact, I just feel so down and horrible and stressed that I just don't want anything to do with it.


    Your wife ‘ignores the way she’s supposed to treat her husband’, yet you’re the one who cheated on her.

    How badly does your wife treat you?
    How do you think she should treat you?

    Don’t you think that you should discuss this with your wife?
    She’s probably as unhappy being married to you as you are to her.

    This is what I’ve gotten from your posts so far;
    Your wife is married to a man who seems to have an obsession with brothels and strip clubs.
    A man who wants special treatment because he thinks Muslim women should be subservient and worship their husbands.
    A man who struggles with love and respect and prefers going to massage parlours because parlours offer him choice and he can walk in and pick which woman he wants to fuck.

    You chose to marry this woman. Surely there must have been some connection between you two. The least you can do is talk to her as a friend, as someone you love (or loved), as a wife and tell her what’s going on with you and your dilemma. Be honest with her, I think she deserves that much. And deal with the consequences of your actions. The sooner you come clean, the sooner you both can sort your lives out, you can go purchase sex and she can go find someone better.
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #24 - June 25, 2012, 03:15 PM
    Quote from: asbie on June 25, 2012, 03:08 PM
    You Zakir Naik? C'mon pm me with confirmation if you are, your secret is safe with me.  lipsrsealed

     Cheesy Cheesy
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #25 - June 25, 2012, 03:18 PM
    This dude converted to Islam because he realized what a great way it is to channel his patriarchal desires, then found out that not all Muslim women are going to be obedient slaves and he's not going to get his promised harem.
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #26 - June 25, 2012, 03:23 PM
    Quote from: cognisance on June 25, 2012, 03:13 PM
    Perhaps you should ask yourself why you think you’d be happy visiting brothels and strip clubs for the rest of your life? 

    Your wife ‘ignores the way she’s supposed to treat her husband’, yet you’re the one who cheated on her.

    How badly does your wife treat you?
    How do you think she should treat you?

    Don’t you think that you should discuss this with your wife?
    She’s probably as unhappy being married to you as you are to her.

    This is what I’ve gotten from your posts so far;
    Your wife is married to a man who seems to have an obsession with brothels and strip clubs.
    A man who wants special treatment because he thinks Muslim women should be subservient and worship their husbands.
    A man who struggles with love and respect and prefers going to massage parlours because parlours offer him choice and he can walk in and pick which woman he wants to fuck.

    You chose to marry this woman. Surely there must have been some connection between you two. The least you can do is talk to her as a friend, as someone you love (or loved), as a wife and tell her what’s going on with you and your dilemma. Be honest with her, I think she deserves that much. And deal with the consequences of your actions. The sooner you come clean, the sooner you both can sort your lives out, you can go purchase sex and she can go find someone better.



    Yup, agreed 100% with this advice, if indeed this is a serious poster.

    However, I think the chances of that being true are slimmer than a camel passing through the eye of a needle, if you will.
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #27 - June 25, 2012, 03:30 PM
    Quote from: cognisance on June 25, 2012, 03:13 PM
    Perhaps you should ask yourself why you think you’d be happy visiting brothels and strip clubs for the rest of your life? 

    Your wife ‘ignores the way she’s supposed to treat her husband’, yet you’re the one who cheated on her.

    How badly does your wife treat you?
    How do you think she should treat you?

    Don’t you think that you should discuss this with your wife?
    She’s probably as unhappy being married to you as you are to her.

    This is what I’ve gotten from your posts so far;
    Your wife is married to a man who seems to have an obsession with brothels and strip clubs.
    A man who wants special treatment because he thinks Muslim women should be subservient and worship their husbands.
    A man who struggles with love and respect and prefers going to massage parlours because parlours offer him choice and he can walk in and pick which woman he wants to fuck.

    You chose to marry this woman. Surely there must have been some connection between you two. The least you can do is talk to her as a friend, as someone you love (or loved), as a wife and tell her what’s going on with you and your dilemma. Be honest with her, I think she deserves that much. And deal with the consequences of your actions. The sooner you come clean, the sooner you both can sort your lives out, you can go purchase sex and she can go find someone better.



    I would agree that my wife deserves better and I hope my children get a good step father.

    It's not that I want a subservient wife but some basic (mutual) kindness wouldnt have gone amiss. But I'm not blaming my wife or saying I'm better than her, I can't help my addiction to parlours, it's not because I can walk in walk out, it's because I can have a large amount of variety, I watched huge amounts of porn in my teens and I'm hardwire to just want to have sex with everything that walks. I can't "lower my gaze", all the women in miniskirts etc I really can't stay faithful to one woman so it's better than at least I'm not with someone so I'm not cheating on them.

    I'd never tell her though, even in Islam your not supposed to tell someone if you cheated on them and it wouldn't do any good, no point hurting her, I see no logical benefit to telling her and everything to lose from it, she'd never let me see my kids and I couldn't even set foot in the city again as news would spread like wildfire amongst the community.

    I actually think I have a problem with sex, like some sort of addiction that I cant let go of.

    AT least if Im single I can fulfill that desire without hurting anyone else and hopefully I might eventually get sick of it.

    It's weird because when I was younger I always thought I was a relationshippy kind of person but as I've gotten older Ive become completely different, being far more oriented towards sex rather than relationships. Dont know why, I expect i got some weird phsycological shit going on, but what can I do
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #28 - June 25, 2012, 03:33 PM
    Quote from: asbie on June 25, 2012, 03:23 PM
    Yup, agreed 100% with this advice, if indeed this is a serious poster.

    However, I think the chances of that being true are slimmer than a camel passing through the eye of a needle, if you will.


    perhaps you shouldn't be so judgmental towards others. Just because you guys experience difficulties as a community doesnt mean you should start dishing out the same crap on others. i'm not a "real" apostate, your no different to the hardcore muslims who come out with similar things. Perhaps being welcoming and friendly and assuming the best of people unless there is a serious reason to suspect otherwise might be a good attitude. This is supposed to be a place for support for those who left Islam, there isnt exactly a lot of others places to go for advice, so i'd appreciate if you were a lot less judgemental
  • Re: Hi everyone, convert to islam thinking of leaving
     Reply #29 - June 25, 2012, 03:37 PM
    Oh, there's plenty of things to judge you on mate. Whether or not you're a real apostate comes in faaar down that list.  Wink
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
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