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Reply #90 - June 29, 2012, 07:00 PM

Quote from: asbie on June 29, 2012, 12:28 AM

Pinned down exactly what's wrong with the repugnant "shut up" rhetoric of offended Muslims.

Hey, if I may ask in your signature it says harakaat RIP. Is he alright?

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Reply #91 - June 29, 2012, 07:17 PM

he is no more!

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Reply #92 - June 29, 2012, 07:40 PM

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Hi..i don't know how i stumbled upon this site..but i did. I'm a muslim, and i'm bemused as to why you are all so anti-muslim.

If you don't want to be muslim, fine, but you still should be respectful/ tolerant/ civilised and polite to people who do want to be muslim, like me. Isn't it all about free will, democracy etc?

Unfortunately, some muslims are extremists but thankfully this is the minority. They do moderate muslims like myself an injustice.

I would be interested in stories of 'ex-muslims' who returned to Islam.

Cool Story bro

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Reply #93 - June 29, 2012, 08:03 PM

A cool story which must have made many people hot under the collar!

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Reply #94 - June 29, 2012, 10:11 PM

I still don't get why you're using Islam to create an identity for yourselves.
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Reply #95 - June 29, 2012, 10:23 PM

We aren't.

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Reply #96 - June 29, 2012, 10:53 PM

Quote from: hypocrucifier on June 29, 2012, 08:03 PM
A cool story which must have made many people hot under the collar!

Obsession with metaphors makes you talk in riddles and might drive people insane!

I was tempted to say that right from the first page but had to wait and see how it would pan out which was predictable

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Reply #97 - June 29, 2012, 11:27 PM

Quote from: superstrike on June 29, 2012, 10:11 PM
I still don't get why you're using Islam to create an identity for yourselves.

If you're trolling, step your game up and please try harder.

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Reply #98 - June 29, 2012, 11:35 PM

Quote from: superstrike on June 29, 2012, 10:11 PM
I still don't get why you're using Islam to create an identity for yourselves.

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Reply #99 - June 30, 2012, 01:19 AM

Quote from: superstrike on June 28, 2012, 05:12 PM
I still don't understand why this website exists?? If you don't want to be muslim, fine, quietly walk out the back door..why rant and rave about it?

Oh, it only affected my ENTIRE LIFE for the worse.

But that's no reason to rant or rave, huh?

And STFU about roles. You don't get to tell anyone what 'role' they play. They can play whatever fucking role they want to, regardless of their gender.

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Reply #100 - June 30, 2012, 03:06 AM

Quote from: superstrike on June 29, 2012, 10:11 PM
I still don't get why you're using Islam to create an identity for yourselves.

Hi superstrike., Initially you accused CEMB folks in number posts such as this
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I was just trying to say that just because you don't like Islam, does not mean that you should give up your respect of people who STILL believe in Islam.

and I asked a simple question on that but you have not replied to that nor you have replied to comments of other folks in this thread. Now you are saying
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" you're using Islam to create an identity for yourselves."

.. again that is not true., It is Quran/hadith/sunnah following Muslims that create a separate identity from Humanity. And You can see such folks all over the countries .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYMQneyuPSM

In Muslim and in non-Muslim countries..

If you are thorough in Quran and other Islamic alleged scriptures please provide them to the reader and argue how good is Islam. Other wise simple hand waving comments of yours have no value to the reader..

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Reply #101 - June 30, 2012, 04:41 AM

Quote from: superstrike on June 29, 2012, 10:11 PM
I still don't get why you're using Islam to create an identity for yourselves.

Could you clarify what you mean? Many like me here were raised as muslims. We called ourselves muslims for a long time until we got out of it. Now we are ex-muslims. That would one way of accurately identifying ourselves along with our current belief systems, world views, nationality etc...

I am guessing your actual question is, "If you have left Islam why are you still talking about it rather than leaving it alone"?

I will give you my personal reason which I think many will agree with,

1) Many Muslim communities around the world are in total denial of the existence of exmuslims which ironically is the result of the Islam's disgusting attitude towards apostasy. This gives us the opportunity to let the Muslim world know that they are living in a bubble if they think nobody is leaving Islam.

2) Since we are Ex-muslims, we are also aware of how there are many Muslims across the world who are in doubt but are afraid to reflect upon. Spaces like these give them an opportunity to critically examine their position and escape the shackles of mindless Islamic apologetics. ON a personal note, 4 individuals have told me that my work on youtube helped them to leave Islam.

3) Many of are also troubled by the amount of misinformation and lies spread by so called Islamic "scholars" or apologists. Spaces like these allow us and other like minded individuals who respect "TRUTH" to expose any such apologetic dishonesty.

4) Now this is personal, I have always had an interest in studying religions. Since I was a muslim I studied Islam the most and still continue to do so..

That is all I can think of the top of my head. Now which of these do you have a problem? and Exactly what's your problem?

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Reply #102 - June 30, 2012, 08:00 AM

Quote from: captndisguise on June 30, 2012, 04:41 AM
Could you clarify what you mean? Many like me here were raised as muslims. We called ourselves muslims for a long time until we got out of it. Now we are ex-muslims. That would one way of accurately identifying ourselves along with our current belief systems, world views, nationality etc...

I am guessing your actual question is, "If you have left Islam why are you still talking about it rather than leaving it alone"?

I will give you my personal reason which I think many will agree with,

1) Many Muslim communities around the world are in total denial of the existence of exmuslims which ironically is the result of the Islam's disgusting attitude towards apostasy. This gives us the opportunity to let the Muslim world know that they are living in a bubble if they think nobody is leaving Islam.

2) Since we are Ex-muslims, we are also aware of how there are many Muslims across the world who are in doubt but are afraid to reflect upon. Spaces like these give them an opportunity to critically examine their position and escape the shackles of mindless Islamic apologetics. ON a personal note, 4 individuals have told me that my work on youtube helped them to leave Islam.

3) Many of are also troubled by the amount of misinformation and lies spread by so called Islamic "scholars" or apologists. Spaces like these allow us and other like minded individuals who respect "TRUTH" to expose any such apologetic dishonesty.

4) Now this is personal, I have always had an interest in studying religions. Since I was a muslim I studied Islam the most and still continue to do so..

That is all I can think of the top of my head. Now which of these do you have a problem? and Exactly what's your problem?

Good answer. Very honest..now could you please clarify what lies you have been told? I've asked this before.
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Reply #103 - June 30, 2012, 08:34 AM

Why do some come on here expecting others to do their hard work for them. Superstrike, if you go through the forum, you will find many threads that deal with these issues. If you are genuinely curious, then you will search this forum yourself, why should any of us have to justify why we are on here, or why we left Islam, the reasons why we discuss these things, or what lies we were fed or anything really. Use your brain, and do your own research of the forum.
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Reply #104 - June 30, 2012, 08:41 AM

heh... superstrike what's your problem !
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Reply #105 - June 30, 2012, 09:17 AM

Welcome Superstrike,
Are you sure your really a Muslim, would some of the txt and images in this thread alone not be enough to make a true beliver exit out of this site and never return? If you are the genuine article then I salute you for making it this far. If you have the belly for it I hope you stay, if people on this forum can ever get over the idea that you think given "certain situations" it's ok to kill us for leaving Islam and you can handle the occasional unsavoury image or remark then I'm sure in the future we'll all get on like a house on fire. If you've got any kind of an open mind at all then I think at the very least you'll find some interesting discussions and topics. Enjoy your stay.
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Reply #106 - June 30, 2012, 09:56 AM

Quote from: paranoid on June 30, 2012, 08:41 AM
heh... superstrike what's your problem !

well the problem is you apostates, Kuffurs, infidels, juice, Christians, idolators, pagans .. atheist robots are ganging up on Islam/Prophet Muhammad/Sunnah/Hadith rightly or wrongly And that is indeed a problem for Momins The believers of Allah and Rasulullah This has become worse in recent years because of this bloody infidel internet. Otherwise you come open in public., you rascals will have fatwas on your heads and your throats will be slit by momins.

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Reply #107 - June 30, 2012, 10:12 AM

how come it's my problem superstrike !
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Reply #108 - June 30, 2012, 10:12 AM

Quote from: Da_Dude on June 30, 2012, 08:34 AM
Why do some come on here expecting others to do their hard work for them. Superstrike, if you go through the forum, you will find many threads that deal with these issues. If you are genuinely curious, then you will search this forum yourself, why should any of us have to justify why we are on here, or why we left Islam, the reasons why we discuss these things, or what lies we were fed or anything really. Use your brain, and do your own research of the forum.

Stop being so lazy and answer the friggin' question. FYI i have read some of the forum.

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Welcome Superstrike,
Are you sure your really a Muslim, would some of the txt and images in this thread alone not be enough to make a true beliver exit out of this site and never return? If you are the genuine article then I salute you for making it this far. If you have the belly for it I hope you stay, if people on this forum can ever get over the idea that you think given "certain situations" it's ok to kill us for leaving Islam and you can handle the occasional unsavoury image or remark then I'm sure in the future we'll all get on like a house on fire. If you've got any kind of an open mind at all then I think at the very least you'll find some interesting discussions and topics. Enjoy your stay.

Yes I certainly am a muslim and regarding the unsavoury images/ comments - i've heard it all before. If it gets too much then of course I will leave in an instant. Thankfully this particular thread hasn't been too bad so far.

Regarding the death penalty to apostates - that is only for certain situations after a fair trial. It is not an explicit punishment. It is more suitable, if someone apostates then commits treason or promotes terrorism to promote their anti-islamic ideas.
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Reply #109 - June 30, 2012, 10:19 AM

Quote from: superstrike on June 30, 2012, 10:12 AM
Stop being so lazy and answer the friggin' question. FYI i have read some of the forum.

Great attitude. You're certain to achieve positive results like that.

(In case anyone can not see smilies, yes this post is sarcastic.)

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Reply #110 - June 30, 2012, 10:23 AM

Quote from: superstrike on June 30, 2012, 10:12 AM
Regarding the death penalty to apostates - that is only for certain situations after a fair trial. It is not an explicit punishment. It is more suitable, if someone apostates then commits treason or promotes terrorism to promote their anti-islamic ideas.

Treason and terrorism are crimes which both have nothing to do with apostasy. In which situations would you find it acceptable to administer the death penalty (or indeed any other penalty you think is appropriate), to an apostate who is not guilty of these crimes but has only become an apostate from Islam?

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Reply #111 - June 30, 2012, 10:43 AM

Quote from: asbie on June 30, 2012, 10:23 AM
Treason and terrorism are crimes which both have nothing to do with apostasy. In which situations would you find it acceptable to administer the death penalty (or indeed any other penalty you think is appropriate), to an apostate who is not guilty of these crimes but has only become an apostate from Islam?

No situations. Like i've said before, you do not have to be muslim if you don't want to be. 'There is no compulsion in religion.' We are not all extremists you know.
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Reply #112 - June 30, 2012, 10:55 AM

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Regarding the death penalty to apostates - that is only for certain situations after a fair trial. It is not an explicit punishment. It is more suitable, if someone apostates then commits treason or promotes terrorism to promote their anti-islamic ideas.

do care to give me an explanation on this matter, I'm learning, what terrorism and treason in islam really is, an example maybe, for the non extremists Islam
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Reply #113 - June 30, 2012, 10:55 AM

Quote from: superstrike on June 30, 2012, 10:12 AM
Stop being so lazy and answer the friggin' question. FYI i have read some of the forum.

You have some cheek calling anyone else lazy. In a forum with a fully working search function, you complain about not finding answers? The simplest search you could make - using the term 'lie' - brings up several threads that you may find useful.

Quote from: superstrike on June 30, 2012, 10:12 AM
Regarding the death penalty to apostates - that is only for certain situations after a fair trial. It is not an explicit punishment. It is more suitable, if someone apostates then commits treason or promotes terrorism to promote their anti-islamic ideas.

Interesting juxtaposition - terrorism and treason both being offences against the state, both often defined in terms that exclude actual violence - but yours is clearly a minority view. The fact remains that the ijma3 contends that the death penalty is explicitly compulsory for apostates. Where terrorism and treason - where the definition of these acts excludes apostasy - is punishable by death, what should apostasy have to do with it?

What notion of fairness do you subscribe to that permits you to consider killing someone for disbelief, compounded or not?

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Reply #114 - June 30, 2012, 11:03 AM

Quote from: paranoid on June 30, 2012, 10:55 AM
do care to give me an explanation on this matter, I'm learning, what terrorism and treason in islam really is, an example maybe, for the non extremists Islam

For example..Joe Apostate leaves Islam. Joe Apostate sets up an anti-islamic policital party that has it's foundations based upon being anti islamic. Joe Apostate declares war on muslims just because they are muslims and he doesn't agree with Islam. Joe Apostate is arrested and brought to trial, with the maximum sentence being the death penalty.
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Reply #115 - June 30, 2012, 11:05 AM

Quote from: superstrike on June 30, 2012, 10:43 AM
No situations. Like i've said before, you do not have to be muslim if you don't want to be. 'There is no compulsion in religion.' We are not all extremists you know.

Glad to hear it.

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Reply #116 - June 30, 2012, 11:13 AM

Quote from: superstrike on June 30, 2012, 11:03 AM
For example..Joe Apostate leaves Islam. Joe Apostate sets up an anti-islamic policital party that has it's foundations based upon being anti islamic. Joe Apostate declares war on muslims just because they are muslims and he doesn't agree with Islam. Joe Apostate is arrested and brought to trial, with the maximum sentence being the death penalty.

You have quite an active imagination.

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Reply #117 - June 30, 2012, 11:20 AM

I noticed that when dealing with self labelled "moderate Muslims", you should not ask if they agree with death penalty for apostasy.
Instead, you should ask if justice should deal with those that that kill or try to kill apostates.

The difference in wording seems minimal, but the meaning is deeply different: I noticed many "moderate Muslims" are able to say they disagree with death penalty for apostasy but they would simply sit back and let the more fanatic ones carry on with the killing or persecution. As if they tell themselves they disagree with it on an ideological level, but would not dare step in to prevent it from happening.

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Reply #118 - June 30, 2012, 11:25 AM

Quote from: Tlaloc on June 30, 2012, 11:20 AM
I noticed that when dealing with self labelled "moderate Muslims", you should not ask if they agree with death penalty for apostasy.
Instead, you should ask if justice should deal with those that that kill or try to kill apostates.

The difference in wording seems minimal, but the meaning is deeply different: I noticed many "moderate Muslims" are able to say they disagree with death penalty for apostasy but they would simply sit back and let the more fanatic ones carry on with the killing or persecution. As if they tell themselves they disagree with it on an ideological level, but would not dare step in to prevent it from happening.

I would
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Reply #119 - June 30, 2012, 11:31 AM

Would step in to stop the killing and persecution of apostates, right? Just wanted to clarify.

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