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  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #60 - July 30, 2012, 08:44 PM
    Quote from: scamper_22 on July 30, 2012, 08:38 PM
    Long before it became cool for guys to shave their pubes and armpit hair, Islam told me to do it Smiley
    I gotta thank being raised Muslim for that one.


    Yap,, I should be thankful to Islam for freedom to color my hair Green .. I just followed Prophet PBUH but by angry father beat the hell out of me.. I wish I knew this t hadith at that time to  make a Blasphemy fatwa on him..  finmad

    Quote
    Hair Coloring

    Hadith - Bukhari 4:668, Narrated Abu Huraira , see also Bukhari 7:786

    Allah's Apostle said, "The Jews and the Christians do not dye (their grey hair), so you shall do the opposite of what they do (i.e. dye your grey hair and beards)."

    Hadith - Muslim, Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah

    When AbuQuhafah (father of AbuBakr) came in the Year of Victory or on the Day of Victory (to the Prophet to pledge his allegiance to him) his head and his beard were white like hyssop.  He (the Prophet ) commanded or the women were commanded by him that they should change this with something (that the color of his hair should be changed).

    Hadith - Muslim, Narrated 'Ubaid Ibn Juraij

    ...And about the dyeing of hair with Hinna; no doubt I saw Allah's Apostle dyeing his hair with it and that is why I like to dye (my hair with it)...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #61 - July 30, 2012, 08:47 PM
    Quote from: scamper_22 on July 30, 2012, 08:38 PM
    Long before it became cool for guys to shave their pubes and armpit hair, Islam told me to do it Smiley
    I gotta thank being raised Muslim for that one.



    Ditto  Afro
  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #62 - July 30, 2012, 08:59 PM
    I think whitlock fella, the one in gymnastics head some very hairy armpits, an early contender for jungle armpits of the Olympics, the last British dude to gymnast hardly had any. Keeping a watch on how many shave, for cosmetic reasons if nothing else.

    I bet some rich Arab would pay for a diamond encrusted lotas made by damian first. As for pubes, should Muslims take pride that it was the porn industry that promoted that clean look in the western world. Is there evidence that it is healthy? Remember in biology there were reasons to have them, evolutionary wise. Is there evidence of how much scent is removed if you cut underarms and groin.

    First time I cut, it made me look bigger. Lol
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #63 - July 30, 2012, 09:13 PM
    Quote from: devilsadvokat on July 30, 2012, 08:59 PM
    Is there evidence that it is healthy? Remember in biology there were reasons to have them, evolutionary wise. Is there evidence of how much scent is removed if you cut underarms and groin.

    First time I cut, it made me look bigger. Lol



    It was a bit of humour Tongue  I don't know if its healthier or not.  It definitely looks cleaner and its one of those distinctive things I still do... not because I'm a believer, but just because I like it.  Girls sure enjoy it.

    Overall though, Islam did emphasize cleaniless.  Not sure how that translated to most Muslims, but when I was a kid, there were all kinds of sunnah we had to do that I think were clean.  The obvious ones... but also things like1

    1.  Never standing and eating.  Always sitting down.
    2.  Don't stand and piss.  Sit down and clean yourself properly.  Now... this one is probably not as clean, as you're sitting on a toilet seat... so you better use a barrier
    3. make whudu throughout the day
    4. smell nice
    5. trim your nails... long nails make you look feminine
    ...



  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #64 - July 30, 2012, 09:59 PM
    Quote from: Omaar Khayaam on July 30, 2012, 07:03 PM
    I still use the "lota" for istinja. If I'm ever at a service station, I'll buy a cheap bottle of water.

    Me too!
  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #65 - July 30, 2012, 10:29 PM
    Lol, someone shou ::)ld do a poll, those who use water and those that don't. That would be an interesting poll amongst ex muslims. Should be only ex Muslims.
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #66 - July 31, 2012, 11:55 AM
    Quote from: scamper_22 on July 30, 2012, 09:13 PM
    It was a bit of humour Tongue  I don't know if its healthier or not.  It definitely looks cleaner and its one of those distinctive things I still do... not because I'm a believer, but just because I like it.  Girls sure enjoy it.

    Overall though, Islam did emphasize cleaniless.  Not sure how that translated to most Muslims, but when I was a kid, there were all kinds of sunnah we had to do that I think were clean.  The obvious ones... but also things like1

    1.  Never standing and eating.  Always sitting down.
    2.  Don't stand and piss.  Sit down and clean yourself properly.  Now... this one is probably not as clean, as you're sitting on a toilet seat... so you better use a barrier
    3. make whudu throughout the day
    4. smell nice
    5. trim your nails... long nails make you look feminine
    ...





    Yep! This is what I was talking about. But some people here could not swallow the fact that, out of their extreme hatred for the religion that they left. Being an ex-Muslim doesn't mean we have to joind the bandwagon of haters.

    Islam does emphasize on cleanliness. Shaving pubic and armpit hair, use water for anal and penis cleaning, etc. This is one thing that we should compliment Muhammad for.

    Is it true that the Hindus of India took care of cleanliness due to long rule by the Moghul Dynasty? I mean, their language, Hindi, was formed during the Moghul, otherwise, they will still be speaking Sanskrit now. If essential element such as language was transformed, I think their hygienic lifestyle can be too.

    The Hindus( southern one) that were not directly influenced by the Moghuls lacked in taking care of cleanliness, as I observed.

  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #67 - July 31, 2012, 12:05 PM

    I think there's a misunderstanding here  Smiley

    Let me explain how what you're saying might appear.

    For an ex Muslim, you manifest in this thread the qualities of many Muslim chauvinists, not least of all conflating responses to simplistic generalisations like you make, as being motivated by 'haters'

    Underlying your generalisations (which are very comical on one level, seeing as they reduce Islam to a kind of scatological anal-penis potty obsession as being its sole redeeming feature) is not 'giving credit where its due' for its own sake, but a marked desire to denigrate non Muslims as 'the other' who are essentially filthy, dirty, and uncivilised, who had 'hygiene' and civilisation brought to them by Islam - which is of course the guiding principle of an Islamic imperialistic mindset which depicts non Muslims in bigoted, lesser terms.

    That you cannot think of a redeeming feature of Islam without positing it in these terms is what is being satirised and responded to, and the subsequent failure to acknowledge that just comes across as a kind of sullen, sulking trolling.

    I'm sure you don't actually believe all this, but its worth thinking about how we phrase things.



    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #68 - July 31, 2012, 12:22 PM
    Quote from: Shinsengumi on July 31, 2012, 11:55 AM
    .............

    Islam does emphasize on cleanliness. Shaving pubic and armpit hair, use water for anal and penis cleaning, etc. This is one thing that we should compliment Muhammad for.......

    ....................



    Yap...  Cheesy ...Shaving pubic and armpit hair, use water for anal and penis cleaning, etc..... Cheesy  so Shinsengumi, that is the contribution of Muhammad/Islam to Humanity  lol..  Don't become indocentric or hindu centric..

    They know their faults and they have FULL freedom in their religion to choose what they like and to question their religion..  and they are moving forward., That is what we lack in Islam.   The freedom to question and freedom to choose .. So the life  gets stagnated..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #69 - July 31, 2012, 12:44 PM
    Quote from: Shinsengumi on July 31, 2012, 11:55 AM

    Yep! This is what I was talking about. But some people here could not swallow the fact that, out of their extreme hatred for the religion that they left. Being an ex-Muslim doesn't mean we have to joind the bandwagon of haters.

    It also says you can get other people to lick your dirty hands after you've finished eating, to dip flies in drinks to prevent disease, and that women are physically and spiritually unclean when they are on their period.

    Listen, I don't care if you bleach your open arsehole every day, polish your cheeks until you can see your own face in them and then gift wrap it all and present it with complimentary perfume. You're still not special.

    That was my point. Dunno how you've managed to contort that into hatred of Islam. I have plenty of way better reasons for hating Islam.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #70 - July 31, 2012, 12:52 PM
    The way I see it is this. At its core, Islam is epistemically flawed. So if it does have these little novelties about toilet hygiene, so what? One can still keep these practices as part of ones lifestyle, without believing the mumbo jumbo. No?
  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #71 - July 31, 2012, 12:58 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on July 31, 2012, 12:44 PM
    It also says you can get other people to lick your dirty hands after you've finished eating, to dip flies in drinks to prevent disease, and that women are physically and spiritually unclean when they are on their period.

    Listen, I don't care if you bleach your open arsehole every day, polish your cheeks until you can see your own face in them and then gift wrap it all and present it with complimentary perfume. You're still not special.

    That was my point. Dunno how you've managed to contort that into hatred of Islam. I have plenty of way better reasons for hating Islam.


    Cool down Ishina. I was interested to discuss about one minor aspect, that is cleanliness in Islam. Your other issues with Islam can be discussed in other threads. Where did you get the information about people's licking Muhammad's hand after he finished a meal? Never heard of it. But I did hear people congregate around him to taste his ablution water.

    About menstruation as unclean, Islam derived that idea from Judaism. When you got blood down there, of course need to wear extra clothes, otherwise the blood stain can be seen, hence, dirty. Some women will suffer from stomachache during menstruation period, that makes her emotionally unstable. Muhammad probably observed that among some of his wives and call that "azaa", which means pain. Thus, he licensed them not to pray or fast during the period. See, how easy, no need to paint everything with prejudice.



  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #72 - July 31, 2012, 01:01 PM
    Quote
    See, how easy, no need to paint everything with prejudice


    What is easy is declaiming everything that points out inanity or contradiction in a religion, or apologia for it, including prejudice and generalisation in pursuit of that, as prejudice.

    You prove how easy it is to do that to be honest.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #73 - July 31, 2012, 01:03 PM
    Quote from: Omaar Khayaam on July 31, 2012, 12:52 PM
    The way I see it is this. At its core, Islam is epistemically flawed. So if it does have these little novelties about toilet hygiene, so what? One can still keep these practices as part of ones lifestyle, without believing the mumbo jumbo. No?


    Nothing wrong with that Omaar. Especially because you don't conceptualise it in terms belittling  non Muslims, or that make a grand civilising play of it.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #74 - July 31, 2012, 01:08 PM
    Quote from: Shinsengumi on July 31, 2012, 12:58 PM
    Cool down Ishina. I was interested to discuss about one minor aspect, that is cleanliness in Islam. Your other issues with Islam can be discussed in other threads. Where did you get the information about people's licking Muhammad's hand after he finished a meal? Never heard of it. But I did hear people congregate around him to taste his ablution water.

    About menstruation as unclean, Islam derived that idea from Judaism. When you got blood down there, of course need to wear extra clothes, otherwise the blood stain can be seen, hence, dirty. Some women will suffer from stomachache during menstruation period, that makes her emotionally unstable. Muhammad probably observed that among some of his wives and call that "azaa", which means pain. Thus, he licensed them not to pray or fast during the period. See, how easy, no need to paint everything with prejudice.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #75 - July 31, 2012, 01:13 PM
    Quote from: Shinsengumi on July 31, 2012, 12:58 PM
    Some women will suffer from stomachache during menstruation period, that makes her emotionally unstable.


    You are in serious need of education.
    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #76 - July 31, 2012, 02:17 PM
    Quote from: Naerys on July 31, 2012, 01:13 PM
    You are in serious need of education.


    It's called dysmenorrhea.

    Education complete.  thnkyu
  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #77 - July 31, 2012, 02:22 PM
    Quote from: billy on July 31, 2012, 01:03 PM
    Nothing wrong with that Omaar. Especially because you don't conceptualise it in terms belittling  non Muslims, or that make a grand civilising play of it.


    Not belittling anyone, Billy. Just my observation. Okay, take out that religious garbs, Muslims or non-Muslims, generally Turkish people are cleaner than Russians.

    Why is that so?
  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #78 - July 31, 2012, 02:29 PM
    Sorry for being scatological i.e literally talking shit. But just wanted to ask the lota users have they ever when caught short of any viable water vessel, have they ever (after best possible paper clean) just stuck folded piece of toilet paper between the cheeks to remove and istanja upon reaching home? Or is it just me lol.

    Also on the subject of shaved pits and groin maybe the Prophet just liked his women clean shaven in these areas, the baby/porn look. Reasons given were hygiene so men had too as well. The only spanner in this theory is the full beard.
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #79 - July 31, 2012, 02:39 PM
    Shinsengumi - ok I would say Muslims seem to be hot on personal hygiene but fall way short on community hygiene. As long as the rubbish is out of their abode, fuck (if you tap in fuck, my phone predicts I wanted to write cuckoo) the rest of the community.
    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #80 - July 31, 2012, 04:40 PM
    Quote from: devilsadvokat on July 31, 2012, 02:29 PM
    Sorry for being scatological i.e literally talking shit. But just wanted to ask the lota users have they ever when caught short of any viable water vessel, have they ever (after best possible paper clean) just stuck folded piece of toilet paper between the cheeks to remove and istanja upon reaching home? Or is it just me lol.

    Also on the subject of shaved pits and groin maybe the Prophet just liked his women clean shaven in these areas, the baby/porn look. Reasons given were hygiene so men had too as well. The only spanner in this theory is the full beard.



    No, but if I'm caught short. I'll just do istinja first thing when I get home. As conciliation I'll just wet a whole load of tissue.
  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #81 - July 31, 2012, 05:13 PM
    Quote from: Shinsengumi on July 31, 2012, 02:22 PM
    generally Turkish people are cleaner than Russians.

    Why is that so?


    Generally Japanese people are cleaner than Bangladeshis

    Why is that so?

    (^^^ don't answer that, its just to describe the fallacious rhetoric you use)




    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #82 - August 01, 2012, 05:02 AM
    Quote from: billy on July 31, 2012, 12:05 PM
    seeing as they reduce Islam to a kind of scatological anal-penis potty obsession as being its sole redeeming feature



    Damnit, there goes that thesis. Killjoy.  Tongue
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #83 - August 01, 2012, 05:09 AM
    Quote from: Omaar Khayaam on July 31, 2012, 12:52 PM
    The way I see it is this. At its core, Islam is epistemically flawed. So if it does have these little novelties about toilet hygiene, so what? One can still keep these practices as part of ones lifestyle, without believing the mumbo jumbo. No?


    Agreed 100% brother. Subh-anal-lah (Sorry, had to get that in this thread somewhere)
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #84 - August 01, 2012, 07:22 AM
    Quote from: Shinsengumi on July 29, 2012, 02:31 PM
    One  factor that I feel positive about Islam is the cleanliness and personal hygiene. We all as ex-Muslims must be familiar with the habit of washing after urination and bowel movement, which specifically encouraged by Islam. I live in a country where people neglected this basic hygiene requirement.

    Try Shinto. They're as clean as they come.

    You get to drink sake and beer and wash your arse.
  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #85 - August 01, 2012, 07:40 AM
    Quote from: devilsadvokat on July 30, 2012, 08:59 PM
    an early contender for jungle armpits of the Olympics

    Uchimura favourite for gold.

  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #86 - August 01, 2012, 09:19 AM
    I can get a bit OCD about cleanliness, not sure if that's induced by Islamic upbringing or just me. In any case, I like the focus on cleanliness by Islam however I don't think the use of a lota is actually a clean method...I mean think about the water splashing and things >.< and it's used by everybody who went to the bathroom.

    Moist toilet papers ftw, and you can buy them in pretty much any supermarket these days.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #87 - August 01, 2012, 09:24 AM
    Quote from: Stardust on August 01, 2012, 09:19 AM
    .I mean think about the water splashing and things >.< and it's used by everybody who went to the bathroom.

    Ewww. Yuk. Izlam iz primitiv. Proof.
  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #88 - August 01, 2012, 01:33 PM
    Quote from: billy on July 31, 2012, 05:13 PM
    Generally Japanese people are cleaner than Bangladeshis

    Why is that so?

    (^^^ don't answer that, its just to describe the fallacious rhetoric you use)


    Billy, your comparison is faulty. Of course the Japanese are cleaner than Bangladeshis, because their "life standard" is obviously dissimilar in every way. The former have andvanced method of sanitary control because one is developed first world nation while the other is third world underdeveloped nation. Thus, it is unfair to compare them. That is why I didnt compare Bangladeshis with the Masai tribe of Africa, right? grin12

    As for Turks and Russians, they are on the similar level of backwardness, not first world developed nation. At least, Russia maybe a little bit ahead of Turkey in military technology, but that's just that.  My compariosn is valid and fair as far as this is concern.

  • Re: Cleanliness and Personal Hygiene in Islam
     Reply #89 - August 01, 2012, 01:40 PM
    Quote
    My compariosn is valid and fair as far as this is concern.



    Your comparison is fallacious and absurd - and your response also contains some of the reasons why your comparisons and generalisations on this thread have been fallacious and absurd. Your lack of self awareness of this is another matter altogether.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

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