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  • Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     OP - August 24, 2012, 11:39 PM
    This thing really has me in a bunch. It is necessarily not the measuring of the coordinates going from one side of the map to the next or corner to corner, but the distance from the south pole to Mecca to the South pole.



    I realize TheRationalizer "debunked" this, but there are pages of comments that seem to refute his video.


    --

    -What if it (Mecca) is the Golden point of the Earth?
    -Who's calculations are right? I'm getting mixed answers.


    p.s. I tried posting images, but it said I could not post links. If there is any help I'll probably add them in.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #1 - August 25, 2012, 09:47 AM
    If we assume the Earth as spherical (which is not), the "golden parallel" in the northern hemisphere is:

    ((2*pi)/(1+sqrt(5)) - (pi/2)) radians
    which is
    21.246118 degrees north
    which is
    21°14'46" north

    which is 19 km south of the Kaaba

    Earth is not spherical, though: the poles are closer to the centre than the equator, so the actual "golden parallel" should be even more to the south than that.

    Also, the Arabian tectonic plate is moving northward at something like 4-5 cm per year, which means that any such calculations do not make sense to begin with, since Mecca, like any place on Earth, is slowly moving.
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #2 - August 25, 2012, 10:15 AM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHQgIKFv0Ac
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #3 - August 25, 2012, 11:02 AM
    This video is almost half and half on like and dislikes. Is it really reliable?
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #4 - August 25, 2012, 11:13 AM
    What answer are you looking for?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #5 - August 25, 2012, 11:17 AM
    What if Mecca is the golden mean point? What implications would that make?
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #6 - August 25, 2012, 11:19 AM
    It isn't.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #7 - August 25, 2012, 11:21 AM
    What about the calculations?
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #8 - August 25, 2012, 11:23 AM
    You've been told why the calculations are nonsense.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #9 - August 25, 2012, 11:25 AM
    Then why do people seem to say that the videos debunking this are using false calculations?
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #10 - August 25, 2012, 11:28 AM
    Do you understand that the surface of the earth is always changing?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #11 - August 25, 2012, 11:31 AM
    How much? A few centimeters?
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #12 - August 25, 2012, 11:36 AM
    Anywhere up to around 10cm yearly, depending on where you are standing.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #13 - August 25, 2012, 11:43 AM
    So would you suggest I stop worrying about it?
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #14 - August 25, 2012, 11:44 AM
    Quote from: IAmTheMoonGod on August 25, 2012, 11:21 AM
    What about the calculations?

    Do you understand geometry?
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #15 - August 25, 2012, 11:45 AM
    What's to worry about?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #16 - August 25, 2012, 11:50 AM
    Muslims believe that the Kaaba is the centre of the universe, not just the Earth. To say that it's stupid is an understatement.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWS2JRjbo04
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #17 - August 25, 2012, 11:54 AM
    Barely. I'm still in highschool and I'm just about to start my geometry class this year.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #18 - August 25, 2012, 11:55 AM
    Islam being true. And if Mecca was the golden mean point, that's very convincing evidence to me.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #19 - August 25, 2012, 11:56 AM
    Okay. So why are you here?
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #20 - August 25, 2012, 11:59 AM
    Quote from: IAmTheMoonGod on August 25, 2012, 11:55 AM
    Islam being true. And if Mecca was the golden mean point, that's very convincing evidence to me.

    Huh? How would such pointless trivia be evidence of Islam being true?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #21 - August 25, 2012, 12:04 PM
    I want to be for sure Islam is not true.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #22 - August 25, 2012, 12:05 PM
    Quote from: IAmTheMoonGod on August 25, 2012, 11:02 AM
    This video is almost half and half on like and dislikes. Is it really reliable?


    i remember thinking it was good, although have not seen it recently.
    dislikes will be automatic thumbs down from muslims
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #23 - August 25, 2012, 12:06 PM
    Quote from: IAmTheMoonGod on August 25, 2012, 11:54 AM
    Barely. I'm still in highschool and I'm just about to start my geometry class this year.

    Then just wait until you know how to calculate it yourself
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #24 - August 25, 2012, 12:06 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on August 25, 2012, 11:59 AM
    Huh? How would such pointless trivia be evidence of Islam being true?

    I think the argument is that Islam is true, therefore Mecca is the golden mean point, therefore Islam is true.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #25 - August 25, 2012, 12:07 PM
    Quote from: IAmTheMoonGod on August 25, 2012, 12:04 PM
    I want to be for sure Islam is not true.

    Then stop using circular logic.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #26 - August 25, 2012, 12:07 PM
    Quote from: IAmTheMoonGod on August 25, 2012, 11:17 AM
    What if Mecca is the golden mean point? What implications would that make?


    There are 4 'golden points' even even we are being as generous as possible to the muslim argument.

    it has no implications at all.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #27 - August 25, 2012, 12:07 PM
    Quote from: IAmTheMoonGod on August 25, 2012, 12:04 PM
    I want to be for sure Islam is not true.

    Yes, you already said that. Then after that, I asked: How would such pointless trivia be evidence of Islam being true?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #28 - August 25, 2012, 12:08 PM
    Anyway, I did not see any such videos before yet I simply used what you said in the first post to calculate the distance between Mecca and the golden parallel, and I also figured out it's off by about 20 km just like the video did in the first calculation.

    So that might be a clue.
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Golden Ratio and Mecca?
     Reply #29 - August 25, 2012, 12:10 PM
    Quote from: Abood on August 25, 2012, 12:06 PM
    I think the argument is that Islam is true, therefore Mecca is the golden mean point, therefore Islam is true.

    Still, it's good to know that I can debunk a whole religion by drawing the 2D map of the earth slightly differently.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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