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  • Attention all members: UK and International support resources
     OP - November 26, 2007, 11:26 PM

    A catalogue, organised on a by-country basis, is being built up here - UK and International support resources

    So far we have pages for Australia, Denmark, Ireland, Norway and the UK.


    I would like to draw your attention to this thread:

    UK Links to organisations for those in danger

    And ask if you could collect the information from your countries and areas and please add them to the resource centre.  Try to get information on the organisations that you think could help someone facing abuse, the fear of honour killing, violence from family membrs based on sexuality etc because they could make all the difference to a muslim feeling they can risk becoming an ex muslim, or an ex muslim who has to get away quickly.

    These links could potentially save a future member, and help them become free from enslavement.

    Thank you.  Smiley

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Attention all members
     Reply #1 - December 09, 2007, 01:00 PM

    Anyone?  :-\

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Attention all members
     Reply #2 - December 09, 2007, 07:05 PM

    Anyone?  :-\


    I went looking, but found zilch to do with Ireland.  I'll try again later, but I think the best I will find is a UK org which has a branch in Northern Ireland.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Attention all members
     Reply #3 - December 09, 2007, 07:09 PM

    I went looking, but found zilch to do with Ireland.  I'll try again later, but I think the best I will find is a UK org which has a branch in Northern Ireland.


    Really?  how strange, is the rate of domestic violence in Ireland minimal then?  :-\

    Thanks for trying though  Smiley

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Attention all members
     Reply #4 - December 09, 2007, 07:15 PM

    Really?  how strange, is the rate of domestic violence in Ireland minimal then?  :-\

    Thanks for trying though  Smiley


    Hmm.. maybe my search was too specific.  I was looking for organisations that deal with the problems faced by muslims and ex muslims.  I'll do a more general search about family and domestic violence issues.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Attention all members
     Reply #5 - December 09, 2007, 09:33 PM

    Hmm.. maybe my search was too specific.  I was looking for organisations that deal with the problems faced by muslims and ex muslims.  I'll do a more general search about family and domestic violence issues.


    Yeah, I wanted to have a few organisations that deal solely with apostates, or fear of honour killing, but unfortunatly there aren;t that many.

    But domestic violence, violence based on sexuality, other things that we know muslims/apostates will face, we can add them, even if they are not specific.

    Sometimes people need to run, and the reasons that would make them run, are the kind of links I am looking for.

     Smiley

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Attention all members
     Reply #6 - December 24, 2007, 12:53 PM

    I would like to draw your attention to this thread:

    http://councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=36.0

    That is a wonderful thread as an help resource for women in different part of the world dear BerberElla., I guess you guys should organise is it for different countries .. different phone. no.. helping organizations etc..  in the resource center.  There is a  thread  i started at ffi that is buried somewhere .. and I can not find it. Any way.. here is for Canada

    Quote

    Alberta Council of Women's Shelters
    320-10310 Jasper Avenue, Edmonton, AB, T5J 2W4

        Phone: 780-456-7000
        Fax: 780-456-7001
        Website: www.acws.ca
        Provincial Coordinator: Jan Reimer

    Strengthens the sheltering movement in Alberta and works toward the elimination of family violence. Fosters professional development within Alberta's sheltering movement. Plans and coordinates development training for shelter directors, staff, and board members.

    2). Azimuth Theatre Association
    11315 106 Avenue, Edmonton, AB, T5H 0R6

        Phone: 780-454-0583
        Fax: 780-454-0699
        Website: www.azimuththeatre.com
        General Manager: Murray Utas

        This non-profit organization is committed to developing research-based performance art that examines critical issues and empowers individuals, institutions and communities to initiate positive change. Topics range from domestic abuse to suicide to substance abuse.

    3). Central Alberta Women's Outreach Society
    4808 51 Avenue, Red Deer, AB, T4N 4H3

        Phone: 403-347-2480
        Fax: 403-343-0302
        Website: www.womensoutreach.ca

        Provides services to women, children and families in Central Alberta who are at a disadvantage through violence, abuse and/or poverty, by assisting with support services and crisis management. Offers community information and referral, advocacy and legal information.


    4). Crisis Association of Vegreville
    Box 1022, Vegreville, AB, T9C 1S1

        Phone: 780-632-2233
        24-hour help line: 780-632-7070

        Provides help to those who are suicidal or suffering from family violence. Makes referrals to other helping agencies. Operates a Safe House for abused women. Safe House is for temporary, emergency use.


    5). Crowsnest Pass Women's Resource and Crisis Centre
    Box 1207, Blairmore, AB, T0K 0E0

        Phone: 403-562-8000
        Fax: 403-562-8500
        Website: www.cnpresources.com

        Serves as a central meeting place and drop-in facility. Encourages personal growth for women and their families regardless of their ethical beliefs.

    6). Edmonton Centre for Survivors of Torture and Trauma (ECSTT)
    c/o Edmonton Mennonite Centre for Newcomers
    101-10010 107A Avenue, Edmonton, AB, T5H 4H8

        Phone: 780-424-7709
        Website: www.emcn.ab.ca

        Provides counselling services for refugees and immigrants whose past traumatic experiences are still causing significant distress and emotional problems in their present lives. 


    I wish Aqsa Pervez friends new such organizations and call to get some help/councilling to her and her family...


    with best
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Attention all members
     Reply #7 - May 20, 2009, 02:36 PM

    You could add Karma Nirvana to the list - http://www.karmanirvana.org.uk/

    Also I think that page needs to be stickied on the home page. I didn't realise it even existed 'till now.
  • Re: Attention all members
     Reply #8 - May 20, 2009, 02:56 PM

    Didn't we do this awhile back Berbs. There must be a lot of info there still. May need freshening up tho'.

    Religion is ignorance giftwrapped in lyricism.
  • Re: Attention all members
     Reply #9 - May 20, 2009, 03:27 PM

    This link has a huge list of help numbers centered around Domestic Abuse - though not all may be appropriate.

    http://www.hiddenhurt.co.uk/Resources/helplines.htm
  • Re: Attention all members
     Reply #10 - May 20, 2009, 09:28 PM

    Cool. We should freshen this up and stick it somewhere useful. I can easily get more links for the US as well.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Attention all members
     Reply #11 - June 20, 2009, 06:43 PM

    http://www.lifelineproject.co.uk/help.php
  • Re: Attention all members
     Reply #12 - April 20, 2012, 09:20 AM

    Canterbury Bankstown Domestic Violence Response Team are located in Bankstown, Sydney Australia, they are great 'cause they have lots of resources for women from Arabic speaking backgrounds (apostasy isn't an issue with them). Can't find their number at the moment, but if one wanted to get a referral to them asking police or DoCs would do the job. These guys are really good.

    Other than that contacting the National Australian DV Hotline Number 1800 200 526 is a good place to start if you fear for your life from family members.

    Quote
    AUSTRALIAN RESOURCES

    ACT

    Domestic Violence Crisis Service www.dvcs.org.au phone Ph. (02) 6280-0900. TTY: (02) 6247-0893

    Women's Legal Centre www.womenslegalact.org phone 1800-634-669

    Family Services (protection of children from abuse) www.dhcs.act.gov.au/ phone (02)6207 1069 (North); (02)6207 1466 (South); After hours (02)6207 0720


    New South Wales

    DoCS Domestic Violence Line www.community.nsw.gov.au/ (24hour) phone 1800 656 463 or TTY: 1800671442

    Violence Against Women Confidential Hotline phone 1800 200 526 (24-hour statewide free call)

    Domestic Violence Advocacy Service DVAS phone 1800-810-784 or (02) 9637-3741 (weekdays)

    Another Closet DV in gay and lesbian relationships
    ACON ’s Lesbian and Gay Anti-Violence Project phone 1800 063 060 or 9206 2066 Monday to Friday 10.00am – 6.00pm

    Immigrant Women’s Speakout Association www.speakout.org.au phone Mon-Fri 9.30 -5 (02) 9635-8022

    Dympna House For survivors of sexual abuse. Mon-Fri. Ph. 1800-654-119 or (02) 9797-6733

    Women's Legal Resource Centre www.womenslegalnsw.asn.au phone 1800 639 784

    Violence Against Women Confidential Hotline
    1800 200 526 (24-hour statewide free call)


    Northern Territory

    Domestic Violence Counselling Service phone Darwin, 9-5 Mon-Fri (08) 8945-6200. Alice Springs (08) 8952 6048.

    Crisis Line General and domestic violence crisis counselling (24hr) phone 1800 019 116

    Women's Information Centre Referrals (Alice Springs) phone (08) 8951-5880

    Dawn House Crisis accomodation and support services for women with children escaping domestic violence. (08) 8945 1388 (24 hrs).

    Family & Children's Services (Child protection) www.health.nt.gov.au phone 1800 700 250

    Legal Assistance www.dcls.org.au Darwin Community Legal Service Ph. 08 8982 1111.

    Domestic Violence Legal Help (Alice Springs) Ph. (08) 8981 9726.


    Queensland

    Domestic Violence Telephone Service www.dvconnect.org Ph. 1800 811 811 or TTY: 1800 812-225 1800 811 811

    Brisbane Domestic Violence Advocacy Service (BDVAS) www.dvrc.org.au/advocacy-service.html Ph (07) 3217 2544

    DV Connect Mensline www.dvconnect.org Ph. 1800 600 636 7am - midnight, 7 days a week.

    Brisbane Rape & Incest Survivors Support Centre www.brissc.com.au Ph. (07) 3391-0004, country Ph. 1800 242526

    Immigrant Women’s Support Service www.iwss.org.au Mon-Fri 9-5. Ph: (07) 3846-3490 (domestic violence) or (07) 3846 5400 (sexual assault)

    Women's Legal Service (legal advice) Statewide Ph. (07) 3392-0670 or 1800-677-278


    South Australia

    Domestic Violence Helpline www.ucwadel.org.au/domesticviolence/ Ph. 1800 800 098 (24 hours)

    Domestic Violence Crisis Service Ph. 1300 782 200 (24 hours). After hours Crisis Care ph. 131 611.

    Yarrow Place Rape & sexual assault service (24 hr) www.wch.sa.gov.au Ph. (08) 8226-8777 or Toll Free: 1800-817-421 After Hours: (08) 8226-8787

    Women’s Information Service of South Australia www.wis.sa.gov.au Ph. (08) 8303-0590 or 1800 188 158

    Women's Legal Service wlssa.org.au Ph. (08) 8221-5553 legal advice line.

    Family & Youth Services (Child Abuse Report line) Ph. 131 478


    Tasmania

    Domestic Violence Crisis Service Mon-Fri 9am-Midnight, weekends 4pm-midnight. Ph. (03) 6233 2529 or 1800 633 937 (North), 1800 608 122 (Statewide).

    Sexual Assault Support Services www.sass.org.au Hobart & Southern: Ph. (03) 6231 1811 (24hr - after hours (03) 6231-1817).
    Launceston: Ph. (03) 6334-2740. Nth West: Ph. (03) 6431 9711.

    Women's Legal Service Free legal advice. Ph. 1800 682-468 or (03) 6224-0974

    Child Protection Advice & Referral Service -Child and Family Services To report child abuse Ph. 1300-737-639 (statewide), (03) 6230 7650 (Hobart)

    SHE (Support, Help & Empowerment) www.she.org.au Counselling for women affected by abusive relationships. Ph. (03) 6278-9090 (Hobart)

    Yemaya: Women's Support Service Counselling & support for women who have experienced abusive relationships (Launceston) Ph. 03-6334-0305.

    For more services in Tasmania see website: www.women.tas.gov.au


    Victoria

    Women's Domestic Violence Crisis Service of Victoria (24hour) Crisis line phone 9373-0123 Melbourne, or country toll free 1800 015 188

    Domestic Violence Resource Centre (Vic) http://dvrcv.org.au/ Melbourne phone 9486-9866 9am - 5pm Mon-Fri.

    Centre Against Sexual Assault (CASA) http://www.casa.org.au/ phone 1800 806292 (24 hours)

    Child Protection Crisis Line phone toll free (24 hours) 131-278

    Immigrant Women’s Domestic Violence Service www.iwdvs.org.au phone Mon-Fri 9-5. Ph. 8413-6800

    Gay and Lesbian Switchboard www.vicnet.net.au/~glswitch/ 9827.8544 (Melbourne) 1800.631.493 (country)


    Western Australia

    Women's Council for Domestic & Family Violence Services WA www.womenscouncil.com.au Admin: 9:30 – 2:30 Mon-Fri. Ph (08) 9420 7264

    Women's Domestic Violence Helpline Information, referral and telephone counselling. Ph. (08) 9223 1188 or 1800 007 339 (24 hours)

    Men's Domestic Violence Helpline Information, referral and telephone counselling. Ph. 9223 1199 or 1800 000 599 (24 hours)

    Crisis Care Unit 24hr crisis support (violence, child protection, suicide, etc). Ph. (08) 9325-1111 or 1800 199-008. TTY: (08) 9325-1232

    Sexual Assault & Referral Centre Counselling, female doctors 24hrs. Ph. (08) 9340-1828 or 9340-1820 or country callers Ph. 1800 199-888

    Women's Multicultural Support and Advocacy Ph.(08) 9325-7716

    Women’s Council for Domestic and Family Violence Services (WA). A state-wide peak organization Ph. (08) 9420 7264.

    Child Protection http://community.wa.gov.au/ (child safety page) Crisis Care on (08) 9223 1111 or 1800 199008 (freecall)

    Women's Law Centre (WA) Inc Legal advice. Inglewood, Ph: 08 9272 8800 Freecall: 1800 625 122

    For a list of family violence services in Western Australia see community.wa.gov.au/ (family violence area)

  • Re: Attention all members
     Reply #13 - April 20, 2012, 09:32 AM

    Nice one. Just gave me an idea too. We should whip up custom pages by country, and have them all linked from one menu. Much more navigable if someone actually is in the poo and needs help in a hurry.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Attention all members
     Reply #14 - April 20, 2012, 09:33 AM

    Good idea!  Afro Will try to come up with more info for Australia & see what else I can find for other countries.
  • Re: Attention all members
     Reply #15 - April 20, 2012, 09:34 AM

    We need a list of pubs.  dance  Very handy when one needs consolation. Wink

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  • Re: Attention all members
     Reply #16 - April 20, 2012, 09:38 AM

    We need a list of pubs.  dance  Very handy when one needs consolation. Wink



     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    So true, Australia is nortorious for it's many pubs. At one point I lived in a town that had a really small population (I think no more than 4000) that had 6 pubs, and another that had a pub but no shops or postoffice or anything, it was so small in fact that it only had about 50 houses and yet it had a pub.
  • Re: Attention all members
     Reply #17 - April 20, 2012, 09:40 AM

    Yup. That's Oz for ya. As long as they serve Cooper's it's all good. Being stuck where they only serve Toohey's or XXXX is pure hell.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Attention all members
     Reply #18 - April 20, 2012, 09:44 AM

     vomit

    I hate beer of any sort, though a shandy isn't too bad. I'm a girls-drink-sort-of-girl. Give me top-shelf and mixed drinks any time, but no beer.

     cheers
  • Re: Attention all members
     Reply #19 - April 21, 2012, 03:02 AM

    Ok ya shandy-swilling sheila, I used your post as an incentive to start getting some pages organised. These are still basic but work. Can tart them up later and add more countries, etc.

    Test pages are here for the Support Resources - Worldwide List of Countries and here for the Support Resources - Australia page.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Re: Attention all members
     Reply #20 - April 21, 2012, 05:02 AM

     Afro Good job, like it!  Afro
  • Re: Attention all members
     Reply #21 - April 21, 2012, 02:09 PM

    Domestic Violence and Rape Victim contacts in the USA

    Quote
    National Hotlines
    National Domestic Violence Hotline
     Staffed 24 hours a day by trained counselors who can provide crisis assistance and information about shelters, legal advocacy, health care centers, and counseling.

    1-800-799-SAFE (7233)
     1-800-787-3224 (TDD)

    Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network
     The Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network (RAINN) is the nation's largest anti-sexual assault organization.  Among its programs, RAINN created and operates the National Sexual Assault Hotline at 1.800.656.HOPE and the National Sexual Assault Online Hotline at rainn.org . This nationwide partnership of more than 1,100 local rape crisis centers provides victims of sexual assault with free, confidential services, 24 hours per day, 7 days per week.  These hotlines have helped over 1.3 million people since RAINN's founding in 1994.


    1-800-656-HOPE

    National Organizations

    Family Violence Prevention Fund
     383 Rhode Island Street, Suite 304
     San Francisco, CA 94103-5133
     Phone: 415-252-8900
     TTY:800-595-4889
     FAX: 415-252-8991
     E-mail: info@endabuse.org

    Washington, DC Office
    1101 14th Street, NW #300
    Washington DC 20005
    Phone: 202-682-1212
    Fax: 202-682-4662

    Boston Office
    67 Newbury Street, Mezzanine Level
    Boston, MA 02116
    Phone: 617-262-5900
    Fax:617-262-5901


    National Coalition Against Domestic Violence
     Main Office:1120
     Lincon Street
     Suite 1603
     Denver, CO 80203
    Phone: 303 839 1852
     TTY: (303) 839-8459
     Fax: (303) 831-9251
     E-mail: mainoffice@ncadv.org

    Public Policy Office
     1633 Q Street NW, Suite 210
    Washington, DC 20009
    Phone: (202) 745-1211
     TTY: (202) 745-2042
     Fax: (202) 745-0088
     E-mail: publicpolicy@ncadv.org

     National Battered Women's Law Project
     275 7th Avenue, Suite 1206
     New York, NY 10001
     Phone: 212-741-9480
     FAX: 212-741-6438

    Safe Horizons
    2 Lafayette Street, 3rd Floor
     New York, NY 10007
     Crime Victims HOTLINE: 800-621-4673
     Rape and Sexual Assult & Incest HOTLINE: 212-227-3000
     TYY (for all HOTLINES) 866-604-5350
    Fax:212-577-3897
     E-mail: help@safehorizons.org

    Domestic Violence Shelter Tour
     2 Lafayette Street 3rd Floor
    New York, NY 10007
     Phone: 212-577-7700
     Fax: 212-385-0331
     24-hour hotline: 800-621-HOPE (4673)

    National Resource Center on Domestic Violence
     Pennsylvania Coalition Against Domestic Violence
     6400 Flank Drive, Suite 1300
     Harrisburg, PA 17112
     Phone: 800-537-2238
     Fax: 717-545-9456

    Legal Office:
     Phone: 717-545-6400
     TOLL FREE: 800-932-4632
    TTY:800-533-2508
     Fax: 717-671-5542

    National Resourse Center on Domestic Violence
    Phone: 800-537-2238
     TTY:888-Rx-ABUSE; 800- 595 -4889
     Fax: 717-545-9456

    Health Resource Center on Domestic Violence
     Family Violence Prevention Fund
     383 Rhode Island Street, Suite 304
     San Francisco, CA 94103-5133
     Phone: 800-313-1310
     FAX: 415-252-8991

    Battered Women's Justice Project
     Minnesota Program Development, Inc
    1801 Nicollet Ave, Suite 102
     Minneapolis, MN 55403
    Phone: 800-903-0111, ext.1
    Phone: 612-824-8768
     Fax: 612-824-8965

    Resource Center on Domestic Violence, Child Protection, and Custody
     NCJFCJ
     P.O. Box 8970
     Reno, NV 89507
     Office: 775-784-6012
    Phone: 800-527-3223
     Fax: 775-784-6628
     Email: staff@ncjfcj.org
    They are only a resource center for professionals and agencies.

     Battered Women's Justice Project
     c/o National Clearinghouse for the Defense of Battered Women
     125 South 9th Street, Suite 302
     Philadelphia, PA 19107
     TOLL-FREE: 800-903-0111 ext. 3
     Phone: 215-351-0010
     FAX: 215-351-0779
    National Clearinghouse is a national resource and advocacy center providing assistance to women defendants, their defense attorneys, and other members of their defense teams in an effort to insure justice for battered women charged with crimes.

     National Clearinghouse on Marital and Date Rape
     2325 Oak Street
     Berkeley, CA 94708
     Phone: 510-524-1582

    Faith Trust Institute
     (Formerly Center for the Prevention of Sexual and Domestic Violence)
    2400 N. 45th Street #10
    Seattle , WA 98103
    Phone: 206-634-1903, ext. 10
    Fax: 206-634-0115
    Email: info@faithtrustinstitute.org


    National Network to End Domestic Violence
     2001 S Street NW, Suite 400
    Washington, DC 20009
     Phone: 202-543-5566
     HOTLINE:800-799-SAFE (7233)
     TTY: 800-787-3224
     FAX: 202-543-5626

    Other Helpful Sites:

    Womenspace National Network to End Violence Against Immigrant Women
    1212 Stuyvesant Ave.
     Trenton, NJ 08618
     Phone: 609-394-0136
     24 Hour Mercer County Hotline: 609-394-9000
     Fax:609-396-1093
     Email: info@womenspace.org

    Counselling&Support Services
     1860 Brunswick Ave.
     Lawrenceville, NJ 086448
    Phone: 609-394-2532


    because the usa is so big, im not sure how to break it down.  But ANYTIME
    you call a "national number" they know how to handle your case no matter
    what state you are in.

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Attention all members
     Reply #22 - April 23, 2012, 03:09 AM

    Australia is nortorious for it's many pubs. At one point I lived in a town that had a really small population (I think no more than 4000) that had 6 pubs, and another that had a pub but no shops or postoffice or anything, it was so small in fact that it only had about 50 houses and yet it had a pub.

    Welcome to anywhere in rural Britain or Ireland.


    From where you may have got the idea in the first place.
  • Attention all members: UK and International support resources
     Reply #23 - June 14, 2013, 05:26 PM

    USA - Tahirih Justice Center

    The Tahirih Justice Center
    Facebook page

    The Tahirih Justice Center is an innovative, efficient, and strategic nonprofit organization that works to protect immigrant women and girls from gender-based violence through legal services, advocacy, and public education programs.
  • Attention all members: UK and International support resources
     Reply #24 - October 26, 2014, 01:47 PM

    Denmark additions:

    Etnisk Ung - Rådgivning i æres-relaterede konflikter (Ethnic Minority Youth - Counseling on honour related conflicts)
    www.etniskung.dk
    24/7 hotline: 70 27 76 66

    Exitcirklen - Nej til psykisk vold & social kontrol (The Exit Circle - No to psyhological violence & social control)
    www.exitcirklen.dk
    Telefon: 51 70 03 93

    Sabaah - for LGBT-seksuelle med anden etnisk baggrund end dansk (for LGBT-sexuals with another ethnical background than Danish)
    www.sabaah.dk
    Telefon: 33 23 20 00

    Landsorganisationen for kvindekrisecentre (National association of women's shelters)
    www.lokk.dk
    24/7 hotline: 70 20 30 82

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  • Attention all members: UK and International support resources
     Reply #25 - October 14, 2015, 08:41 PM

    Bump before the 1 year anniversary of my suggested additions for the "Denmark" entry 040

    Please notify me if my additions are going into the resource profile for Denmark because then I'll check the current information and I'm also aware of at least one new organisation I would like to add to the list together with a little extras on the information for some of the others.

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  • Attention all members: UK and International support resources
     Reply #26 - October 15, 2015, 08:09 AM

    Can't you do it? Huh?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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