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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #150 - November 20, 2012, 11:16 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on November 20, 2012, 11:13 PM
    Ceasefire looks imminent. dance

    Good.  Afro
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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #151 - November 20, 2012, 11:46 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on November 20, 2012, 11:16 PM
    Good.  Afro


    good... good everything is good..    but the good is not good enough.. more facts  detailed history of people of Palestine.. from 1900 to 2000... is badly needed..

    Who were there? who migrated from where to where??  and why ? ..... is badly needed osmanthus ..

    And I need you to suggest best Whiskey with LOWEST% of alcohol .. I wonder any of you tried to mix Whiskey with wine + beer to dilute % of alcohol and served in party osmanthus?

    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on November 20, 2012, 10:23 PM
    No I'm not interested in indulging your game of Socrates when international governing bodies and the biggest human rights organisations have made clear they consider Israel an occupying force in Gaza and a quick google search would reveal their reasoning.

    Good one  Prince.,  .. "biggest human rights organizations"., How many are there and which one is the biggest human rights organization?

    Are they looking for Human rights ?  or are they looking for Jewish rights or Muslim rights?
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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #152 - November 20, 2012, 11:51 PM
    My response to all of that is a genuine WTF. Tongue
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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #153 - November 21, 2012, 12:28 AM
    Gaza militants say ceasefire within hours says Dawn from  Pakistan..

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    JERUSALEM: Gaza militants said a Cairo-brokered truce in their seven-day war with Israel would be announced later Tuesday, as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urged them to choose between “the sword” and peace. The emerging signs of a deal to end seven days of violence that have claimed the lives of 127 Palestinians came as the Israeli army confirmed its first fatality from a rocket attack while another missile landed harmlessly just south of Jerusalem.

    “There will be a joint press conference between Hamas and Islamic Jihad and the Egyptian mediators tonight to announce the truce,” an Islamic Jihad source told AFP in Gaza City. A Hamas source separately confirmed the announcement. But Hamas later said in a statement that Israel had still not responded to the Palestinian proposal as of 8:00 pm (1800 GMT).

    Egypt, its new Islamic government now seen as the Palestinians’ main protector, also said the Israeli “aggression” would end within hours. “The farce of the Israeli aggression will end today, Tuesday, and the efforts to reach a ceasefire between the Palestinians and Israelis will produce positive results within a few hours,” Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi said. Later, a spokesman qualified the president’s optimism, saying that Morsi “hopes there will be a settlement soon.

    Another 22 Palestinians were killed on Tuesday in attacks that also claimed the lives of two cameramen of the Hamas-owned Al-Aqsa TV station.  Netanyahu said that it was now up to Hamas, the Islamist movement which rules Gaza, to choose between peace and further bloodshed.

    “Our hand is outstretched in peace to those of our neighbours who want to make peace with us,” Israel’s rightwing premier said in a statement. “And the other hand is firmly grasping the sword of David.”...

     
    The rocket fired at Jerusalem crashed into an olive grove near Jabba village, in an attack claimed by the armed wing of Hamas, the Ezzedine al-Qassam Brigades, the second such attempt to hit Jerusalem in five days.  Nobody was hurt but the sirens halted traffic and prompted people to urgently evacuate to bomb shelters.  But another rocket strike on in the Eshkol regional council killed a soldier, bringing the Israeli death toll since Wednesday to four, after three civilians were killed last Thursday.

     Clinton in urgent push for peace

    Netanyahu and his key ministers decided in a closed-door meeting late Monday to place “a temporary hold on a ground incursion to give diplomacy a chance to succeed,” a senior Israeli official told AFP. The move came as UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon travelled from Cairo to Jerusalem and urged both sides to stop their fire “immediately”.

    Hamas is understood to be seeking guarantees that Israel will stop its targeted killings, and end its blockade on the tiny coastal stretch of land, which is home to 1.6 million people.
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    ............................. Since the violence erupted on November 14, Gaza militants have fired more than 1,000 rockets at the Jewish state.  Of those, 720 have crashed into southern Israel and another 389 were intercepted by Israel’s Iron Dome anti-missile system....

    The violence comes as Israel heads towards a general election in January, raising the spectre of a broader Israeli military campaign along the lines of its devastating 22-day Operation Cast Lead launched at the end of December 2008...

    What peace?? .. what proposal??  and what meetings? And why with militants? where is the Gaza Government??   
    Is it going to last 3 months? four months?? a year??  and why start war for 7 days. throw some fire crackers on Israel and  Israelis  will target Rascals and along with each Rascal , 10 or 20 innocents Palestinians will get killed ., That is it? start peace?? game over ..   Fools........ Israelis will never STOP TARGET Killings irrespective of what they agree..
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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #154 - November 21, 2012, 02:13 AM
    Hamas militants kill 6 suspected informers for Israel say news

     





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    GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip –GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Masked gunmen publicly shot dead six suspected collaborators with Israel in a large Gaza City intersection Tuesday, witnesses said. An Associated Press reporter saw a large mob surrounding five of the bloodied corpses shortly after the killing. Some in the crowd stomped and spit on the bodies. A sixth corpse was tied to a motorcycle and dragged through the streets as people screamed, "Spy! Spy!" The Hamas military  wing, Izzedine al-Qassam, claimed responsibility in a large handwritten note attached to a nearby electricity pole. Hamas said the six were killed because they gave Israel information about fighters  and rocket launching sites.

    The killing came on the seventh day of an Israeli military offensive that has killed more than 120 Palestinians, both militants and civilians. Israel has launched hundreds of airstrikes, targeting rocket launching sites, weapons caches and homes of Hamas activists, as Palestinians fired hundreds of rockets at Israel. The six were killed on Tuesday afternoon in Gaza City's Sheik Radwan neighborhood.  Witnesses said a van stopped in the intersection, and four masked men pushed the six suspected informers out of the vehicle. Salim Mahmoud, 18, said the gunmen ordered the six to lie face down in the street and then shot them dead. Another witness, 13-year-old Mokhmen al-Gazhali, said the informers were killed one by one, as he mimicked the sound of gunfire. "They should have been killed in a more brutal fashion so others don't even think about working with the occupation (Israel)," said one of the bystanders, 24-year-old Ashraf Maher.

    One body was then tied by a cable to the back of a motorcycle and dragged through the streets. A number of gunmen on motorcycles rode along as the body was pulled past a house of mourning for victims of an Israeli airstrike.
     
    Hamas posted a sign on an electricity pole, naming the six alleged informers.

    That is How Islam works.. that is how Islamic justice works..,  FUCKING MORONS TALK ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS. ,,,,. These  ROGUES OF ISLAM  first need to learn about animal rights

    Filthy Brutes.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8zTpeZwsxY

    And they want peace.. what peace?? piece of human flesh??
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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #155 - November 21, 2012, 02:50 AM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxlvE5vy_uk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGQvynH1hNA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdBjZyn5wcY

    Inside Story - Will the Arabs speak up for Gaza?
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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #156 - November 21, 2012, 03:10 AM
    Quote from: yeezevee on November 21, 2012, 02:13 AM
    Hamas militants kill 6 suspected informers for Israel say news

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    That is How Islam works.. that is how Islamic justice works..,  FUCKING MORONS TALK ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS. ,,,,. These  ROGUES OF ISLAM  first need to learn about animal rights

    Filthy Brutes.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8zTpeZwsxY

    And they want peace.. what peace?? piece of human flesh??


    So.... extra-judicial killings are another thing that is only bad when Israel does it? Let's start a list of things that are bad only when non-muslims do it:

    -War
    -Colonialism
    -Cultural imperialism
    -Gender discrimination
    -Extra-judicial killings
    -Murder
    -Militancy
    -Weapons proliferation

    What else?
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #157 - November 21, 2012, 04:28 AM
    nvm
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #158 - November 21, 2012, 09:23 AM
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    The world is witnessing Israel’s brutality against an adversary that is militarily inconsequential. The Israeli military is preparing for a ground offensive with mechanised forces against the Palestinians and is employing a disproportionate force through its high-tech military gear – all against a feeble and unarmed enemy. The US is equally responsible for this bloodbath as Israel is its lackey. It’s heartbreaking to see footage of the destruction caused by Israeli drones and jets inside Gaza. It is even more painful to find the OIC as impotent and unmoved as ever. Some Arab countries have been supporting uprisings in Libya and Syria. But they remain quiet when it comes to Israel’s barbarism against Palestinians. Egypt’s stance on the latest crisis is commendable though. The UN Security Council, which quickly assembled against Syria and Libya, is not worried in Palestine’s case. Will the OIC leadership wake up from its deep slumber to end this bloodshed?

    Muhammad Nawaz
    Lahore

     Well that is from one of the newspapers of Land of Pure .. That is exactly how "ISLAMIC MIND SETS" work across the globe ., Most  of these guys know no facts.. no ground realities, never read anything about Palestine, Israel, their leaderships  and How Muslim world around that ares used this problem for the sake of holding political/economical/religious/social power to control Muslims folks And 90% of the Muslim folks  don't understand Islam and neither they  understand how fast rest of the world is moving and Muslim brains are stagnated with silly nonsense.   They are all  wrapped around Mosques/preachers/prayers/Allah/after life and at best some Islamic festivals to get together and have some fun. They don't care about Population explosion among Muslim nations..   These rulers of these so-called Islamic nations wrap 90% 0f the Muslim folks and their daily lives around  Allah/Mullah/Mosques  so  they don't care , the Muslim folks  don't worry about Education, employment of their future generations.

    Any ways Let us analyze a bit of that fool   Muhammad Nawaz and his comments..  he says   "The world is witnessing Israel’s brutality against an adversary ......".. This fool doesn't realize what is happening in home Let us look at the Sectarian Violence in Pakistan: 1989-2012  this is nothing to do with WAR ON TERROR.. NOTHING TO WITH HONOR KILLINGS and NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICAL rivalry /murders  .. but it is just Shia/Sunni/Ahamadi  .. blood bath..,  So far in 2012 ~400 people were killed  and all of them are Muslim killing Muslims .

    Now let is look Gaza strip violence .. Starting from the political rivalry in 2006 that Hamas-Fatah  fighting and killing


    Gaza Strip

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    ...On December 15, 2006, fighting broke out in the West Bank after Palestinian National Security Forces fired on a Hamas rally in Ramallah. At least 20 people were wounded in the clashes, which came shortly after Hamas accused Fatah of attempting to assassinate Ismail Haniya, the Palestinian prime minister. ....

    ...Intense fighting continued throughout December 2006 and January 2007 in the Gaza Strip. Several ceasefire attempts failed, being broken by continued battles. In February 2007, Palestinian rivals met in the Islamic holy city of Mecca, Saudi Arabia, and reached an accord ensuring a ceasefire. However, minor incidents continued through March and April 2007. More than 90 people were killed in these first months.....

    ..In mid-May 2007, clashes erupted once again in the streets of Gaza. In less than 20 days, more than 50 Palestinians were killed. Leaders of both parties tried to stop the fighting by calling dozens of truces, but none of them held for longer than a few days...

    In 2007  that  four days of fighting Hamas took control of the main north–south road and the coastal road. The Israeli government closed all check-points on the borders of Gaza in response to the violence. During the four days of intense fighting at least 116 people were killed.

    Those are well known incidents and there are plenty of minor killings around this Hamas/Fatah fighting..  

    Gaza Strip and its politics:

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    The Gaza Strip (Arabic: قطاع غزة‎ Qiṭāʿ Ġazzah, IPA: [qɪˈtˤɑːʕ ˈɣazza]) is a strip of land on the eastern coast of the Mediterranean Sea that borders Egypt on the southwest (11 km) and Israel on the east and north (51 km (32 mi)). It is 41 kilometres (25 mi) long, and from 6 to 12 kilometres (3.7 to 7.5 mi) wide, with a total area of 365 square kilometres (141 sq mi).  The population of Gaza Strip is about 1.7 million.   The population is predominantly Sunni Muslim. With a yearly growth rate of about 3.2%, the Gaza Strip has the 7th highest population growth rate in the world.[2]

    The Gaza Strip acquired its current boundaries at the cessation of fighting in the 1948 war, confirmed by the Israel-Egypt Armistice Agreement on 24 February 1949.[4] Article V of the Agreement declared that the demarcation line was not to be an international border. The Gaza Strip continued to be occupied by Egypt. At first Gaza Strip was officially administered by the All-Palestine Government, established by the Arab League in September 1948. From the dissolution of the All-Palestine Government in 1959 until 1967, the Gaza Strip was directly administered by an Egyptian military governor.

    Israel captured and occupied the Gaza Strip in the Six-Day War in 1967.  Pursuant to the Oslo Accords signed in 1993, the Palestinian Authority became the administrative body that governed Palestinian population centres.  Israel maintained control of the airspace, territorial waters and border crossings apart from the land border with Egypt.  Israel unilaterally disengaged from Gaza in 2005. The Gaza Strip forms part of the Palestinian territories. Since July 2007, following the 2006 Palestinian legislative election and following the Battle of Gaza, Hamas has functioned as the de facto ruler in the Gaza Strip, forming an alternative Hamas Government in Gaza.

    That is the brief history of Gaza...
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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #159 - November 21, 2012, 02:58 PM
    Gaza strip economy and Embargo

    The Gaza Strip Crisis: The Economic Impact of Israel’s Siege on Gaza

    The Gaza Strip Crisis: The Economic Impact of Israel’s Siege on Gaza

    History of the Economies of the West Bank and Gaza Strip

    Living conditions Gaza Strip - Fafo

    the Gaza Strip - Facts, Figures and UNDP's Response

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    19th century

    In the 19th century, Gaza was among six soap-producing cities in Palestine, overshadowed only by Nablus. Its factories purchased qilw from merchants from Nablus and Salt in Jordan.[2] Gaza's port was eclipsed by the ports of Jaffa and Haifa, but it retained its fishing fleet.[3] Although its port was inactive, land commerce thrived because of its strategic location. Most caravans and travelers coming from Egypt stopped in Gaza for supplies, likewise Bedouins from Ma'an, east of the Wadi Araba, bought various sorts of provisions from the city to sell to Muslim pilgrims coming from Mecca. The bazaars of Gaza were well-supplied and were noted by Edward Robinson as "far better" than those of Jerusalem.[4] Its principal commercial crop was cotton which was sold to the government and local Arab tribes.[5]
    Modern era

    Shipment of luxury cars to Gaza, 2012

    Many Gazans worked in the Israeli service industry while the border was open, but in the wake of Israel's 2005 disengagement plan, Gazans could no longer do so. According to OXFAM, Gaza suffered from serious shortages in housing, educational facilities, health facilities, infrastructure, and an inadequate sewage system, contributing to serious hygiene and public health problems.[ Food prices rose during the blockade, with wheat flour going up 34% and rice up 21%. The number of poor Gazans increased sharply, with 80% relying on humanitarian aid in 2008 compared to 63% in 2006. In 2007, households spent an average of 62% of their total income on food, compared to 37% in 2004. In a decade, the number of families depending on UNRWA food aid increased ten-fold.

    In August 2009, Hamas promised workers $100 each for Ramadan. Increasing prosperity has led to the widespread replacement of donkey carts with tuk-tuks.  According to the International Monetary Fund, the unemployment rate is falling. The economy of Gaza grew by 16% in the first half of 2010, almost twice as fast as the economy of the West Bank.[9]

    The European Union paid €420 million in aid to the Palestinian territories in 2001.  This was in addition to contributions by individual member states. This included €55 million form Germany, €67 million from France, and £63.6 million (about €76 million) from Great Britain in 2007 alone.  Donation levels have since increased, with the United States and the European Union giving $7.7 billion in 2008-2010.[10]

    In 2011 Gaza's economy increased by 27% while unemployment fell to 29%, its lowest in a decade. In 2012, Qatar donated 400 million dollars towards construction projects in the Gaza Strip...


    With all those problems.. instead of building schools, educating the kids.. if needed sending them abroad  to other Muslim and non Muslim countries,   for the past 10 years these grown up idiots along with foolish leaders making silly fire crackers and proudly saying Oh MY FIRE CRACKER went all the way to Jerusalem.. Tel Aviv.  Those Israeli blockades had terrible consequences on kids, women  and old folks  ... Before Hamas fought Fatah and took over Power in Gaza at least some people were going in to Israel every day and getting paid for their work. Now there is nothing to do except make babies..And other side of the border Egyptians themselves are on begging bowls.,   Now no  one in  Gaza has any work , anything to do except  wait for donations. On top of all  that, our  Islamic heroes take part of those donations  build some fire crackers  and  Islam in brain with Jihad.. Jihad slogans fire those fire crackers at Israelis..  These fools and their leaders   don't even think for a second, what kind of troubles they are  putting  those ho want to live peacefully  in Gaza..  If you don't have resources to fight and win  STOP FIGHTING YOU FOOLS..    The times of Muslim brothelhood.. Islamic Al-queda  heroes,   telling Saladin stories to children to brain wash them  is over at the end of 20th century.. The dawn of mass communications in 21st century  moves all religions in to dustbins...   No one cares about silly books stupid religions you fools.. Indeed that is effect of BROTHELHOOD.. Hamas is the product of that .. you can see that brothelhood effect all over the world not just with this Israeli/Palestine problem

    well read about Gaza economy in these complex and competitive times in those pdf links..
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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #160 - November 21, 2012, 03:24 PM
     I think that at this point in time and maybe before. I don't think that Israel didn't 'stole' the land,  I think they out-developed their Palestinian neighbors which is why their population grew out of control, people moved in and they had the need to build more houses. Because I honestly don't know how (unless someone educates me otherwise) that tiny population of Jewish people was allowed to be in 'Palestine' and then suddenly grew out of control. YES America and UN put them there, but their numbers were so small and insignificant that Palestinians didn't even care. When they first moved in the Palestinians could have probably easily kicked them out or beat the shit of them, but they didn't until it was too late. I'm confused.

    And Look Gaza shares a border with Egypt, everyone is acting like the only way in Gaza is through Israel. Then how the hell are they getting all these rockets if they are under this terrible siege being starved. If they can smuggle rockets it means they have the means to get other more useful things into the country. So I think the blockade is bullshit since they've clearly found a way around it. And rockets and rocket material aren't small light weight goods. I'm confused

    @Prince
    And yes AID has been denied by Israel, but only because like I said it's been tightly controlled. Not just anyone or any unauthorized organization can give aid to Gaza. Which is different from saying, NO aid gets through. Aid does get through but it has to be carefully checked and the organization/ country giving it needs go through Israel's security. What should be disputed is how tightly controlled it is. Many other countries also check aid as it goes through to make sure, 1. it is aid 2. it goes to the people and not put on the market.

    Also everyone says Palestine is oppressed, but Israel does not run nor is responsible for Gaza. How come no one is shouting free the 'West Bank' or the West Bank is oppressed. The West bank doesn't seem to be engaging in a war with Israel even though they are a 'territory' of Israel and is mostly Palestinian, and live in horrible conditions as well.

    I also don't get how everyone is crying about this blockade, then supporting the shooting of missiles at the nation you want to have open trade and travel with through their borders. I'm confused by this logic.
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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #161 - November 21, 2012, 03:38 PM
    Quote
    When they first moved in the Palestinians could have probably easily kicked them out or beat the shit of them


    well...they you can't say they didn't try.
    A lot of the 'stealing land' business has to do with the expansion of Israel after winning defensive wars and maintaining buffer zones.
    People point to maps of Israel over the years and highlight that it has grown. That is usually sufficient for many to 'prove' that they stole land.

    Below is a photo of a common item found in Jewish homes. it is the charity collection box for the Jewish National Fund.
    The red blobs mark land which the fund has bought.


    I think this is an interesting thing that is never mentioned.
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #162 - November 21, 2012, 04:12 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on November 17, 2012, 10:02 AM
    I'm not in the habit of bearing grudges and I wouldn't start with someone whose opinion I value more often than not. Just some half-assed shit-slinging back at some half-assed shit-slinging.

    Ok, I forgive you.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #163 - November 21, 2012, 05:14 PM
    Land-people -people Migration-Population Statistics- Israeli-Palestinian Conflict  .. references and resources from all sides..

    Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

    The Expulsion of the Palestinians, 1947-1948

    Research Guide to the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict

    Palestine remembered.

    Jewish side of the story

    Land Ownership in Palestine, 1880-1948_ Jewish side of the story

    If Americans New_ What every American Need to Know about The conflict

    Our Land -Palestine Districts 1948 - How Many Palestinian Districts?

    The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined

    Map of pre-1948 Palestine gives lie to Israeli myths

    Historic Population of Israel/Palestine  ....
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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #164 - November 21, 2012, 06:16 PM
    Quote from: dr_sloth on November 21, 2012, 03:38 PM
    well...they you can't say they didn't try.
    A lot of the 'stealing land' business has to do with the expansion of Israel after winning defensive wars and maintaining buffer zones.
    People point to maps of Israel over the years and highlight that it has grown. That is usually sufficient for many to 'prove' that they stole land.

    They have definitely stolen some land. What's really annoying is that they keep trying to steal more.

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    Below is a photo of a common item found in Jewish homes. it is the charity collection box for the Jewish National Fund.
    The red blobs mark land which the fund has bought.
    (Clicky for piccy!)

    I think this is an interesting thing that is never mentioned.

    Yes? Because buying land in legal transactions is something that should never be done? Exactly what is interesting about it?

    Incidentally, something that is often forgotten is that Jews didn't just suddenly waltz into the area and start stealing land. They started by buying it in legal sales pre-WW2, which they and anyone else are quite entitled to do.
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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #165 - November 21, 2012, 06:18 PM
    Migration of Jewish Populations  From  Arab Countries: 1948, 1972, 2000 and 2008

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    Country or territory----1948 Jewishpopulation----1972 Jewishpopulation----2001 Jewishpopulation-----2008 Jewishpopulation
    Aden ------------------------------ 8,000 --------------- --------Not Known -------------------~0 -------------------------~0
    Algeria ----------------------------140,000 ------------------------1,000-------------------------~0 -----------------------~0
    Bahrain ---------------------------550–600 ---------------------Not Known-------------------36 ---------------------------~50
    Egypt ----------------------------75,000[ –80,000------------------500    ------------------------100------------------------100 in 2006
    Iraq------------------------------135,000 –140,000-----------------500-----------------------   ~200 --- -------------------7-12 in Baghdad
    Lebanon--------------------------~20,000-------------------------2,000-----------------------150 -----------------------0–40 exclusively in Beirut
    Libya--------------------------------38,000---------------------------50--------------------- ----0-----------------------------0
    Morocco---------------------------265,000-------------------------31,000-----------------------5,230------------------------3,000 in 2006
    Palestine Mandate (Jordanian part)    10,000--- (dwindled to zero after 1948 Palestine War)----------------0 (West Bank repopulated)    .
    Sudan -------------------------------350 -----------------------------0  -------------------------0------------------------------0
    Syria -------------------------------30,000----------------------------4,000-----------------------~100-----------------------100 in 2006-
    Tunisia------------------------------105,000--------------------------8,000-----------------------~1,000--------------Estimated 1,100 in 2006.
    Yemen------------------------------55,000---------------------------500-------------------------400–600---------------------350.
    Total ------------------------------800000  to 881,350 ------------AN--------------------------<7,300------------------<6,400


    Migration of Jewish Populations  From  Non-Arab Muslim Countries: 1948, 1972, 2000 and 2008

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    Country or territory----1948 Jewishpopulation----1972 Jewishpopulation----2001 Jewishpopulation-----2008 Jewishpopulation
    Afghanistan ------------------------------5,000 --------------- --------Not Known -------------------~500 -------------------------~0
    Bangladesh----------------------------Not Known ----------------------Not Known------------------Not Known ------------175, up to 3,500
    Iran ---------------------------140,000–150,000----------------------------80,000-------------------Not Known----------------10,800 in 2006
    Pakistan -------------------------2,000-2,500-----------------------------250----------------------Not Known------------A tiny community in Karachi
    Turkey----------------------------80,000---------------------------------30,000----------------------Not Known--------------------17,800 in 2006
     
    Total ------------------------------202,000–282,500 -----------------NA-----------------------110,750 ----------------------32,100


    Please see the table in this link for the  number of immigrants to Israel since its establishment in 1948 by country of birth ..

    NOW WE MUST REALIZE HERE ALL THESE DATA CAN QUESTIONABLE also verifiable  to get right numbers.. 
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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #166 - November 21, 2012, 06:28 PM
    Well I guess all the Jews that left now Islam controlled lands had to go somewhere?
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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #167 - November 21, 2012, 06:33 PM
    Quote from: Sakura02 on November 21, 2012, 06:28 PM
    Well I guess all the Jews that left now Islam controlled lands had to go somewhere?

    well, Sakura02 tell them to go to.. go to those chamber...  ..Go to Hell.. Go to Islam.. Go in to Ocean .. I don't care.. finmad finmad ....We want to drink juice but No Jews..

     But don't go  to  Israel...The Palestinian Land.... No..No ....BULL SHIT ..stop talking nonsense ..it is Medina the modern Medina., Viva Palestine   The Muslim land from Allah.....the Al Aqsa mosque is there....  Prophet of Islam flew to that land in one night riding a good looking woman....the Horsie ..



     Allah says.. in Quran.. But Muslim fools don't read it..

    Any ways The number of immigrants to Israel since its establishment in 1948 by country of birth from Non-Muslim and Non-Arab countries  is interesting..
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    Region------2000–2011------1990–1999------1980–1989------1972–1979------1961–1971------1952–1960 ------1948–1951------1919–1948
    Other (Africa)------151-------------888-------------125--------------544 -------------645-------------105-------------244 ------------not known
    Americas/Oceania--45,676---------33,367---------39,369----------45,040----------42,400 -----------6,922 -----------3,822------------7,754       
    Argentina --------12,026-----------8,886-----------10,582-----------13,158---------11,701-----------2,888-----------904 ----------- not known
    Australia/New Zealand--731---------1,017-----------959-----------1,275-----------833-----------120----------------119------------not known
    Brazil--------------2,615--------------1,937------------1,763---------1,763----------2,601----------763----------------304------------not know    
    Canada--------------2,144--------------1,717---------1,867----------2,178-----------2,169-----------276-------------236------------not know
    United States ----19,472--------------15,480--------18,904---------20,963---------18,671---------1,553 -----------1,711--------------6,613
    Soviet Union (Asia)----25,196---------49,524 --------not know -----not know -----not know -----not know-----not know-----not know
    Europe -----------182,135-----------812,079----------70,898-----183,419----------162,070-------106,305----------332,802 -   ----------377,381  


    This migration pattern of Jewish folks in to Israel from Non-Arab and non-Muslim countries  tells an interesting story.  So why do the people migrate??... good question to answer..
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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #168 - November 21, 2012, 08:11 PM
    Interesting enough listening to the leader of Israel and the leader of Hamas on their commentary about the conflict.

    I have to kind of laugh a little inside because the Hamas leader is insisting that they have won and Israel came out of it with nothing except killing children and damaging buildings and Israel's goal was to break Palestinian's cause and they are forever united.  Hamas fired tons of rockets, and did barely any damage in the name of defending themselves. Which to me seems like a waste of money and resources. Their generals have been killed, and there was one Israeli soldier casualty on the border. Got a rocket as far as Tel Aviv, but little damage. And Israel was unnecessarily ruthless like it has always been in it's military response on Gaza, and Hamas had to plead with Egypt to get Israel to stop completely destroying them. And only because Israel has decided to stop, that they are celebrating. I don't understand what Gaza is celebrating, that their sworn enemy has shown mercy and stopped? There is still is much work to do to ensure safety for the people there against Israel.
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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #169 - November 21, 2012, 10:36 PM
    Well thank fuck for that.

    Israel, Hamas agree to Gaza truce

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    A ceasefire between Israel and Hamas has officially come into effect after more than a week of violence in and around the Gaza Strip that has killed more than 150 people.

    Israel and Hamas both ramped up their attacks in the final minutes before the ceasefire took effect at 9:00pm local time (6:00am AEDT), with Israel pounding targets in Gaza and Hamas launching a late flurry of missiles at southern Israel. But as the truce took effect Palestinians took to the dark streets of Gaza to celebrate, firing guns into the air and blasting car horns. The sound of Israeli drones could still be heard overhead.

    The truce came after a bomb ripped through a commuter bus in Israel's commercial capital Tel Aviv, injuring 21 people, three seriously, and sparking panic.

    There were isolated reports of rockets being fired into southern Israel after the deadline, but overall the truce appeared to be holding. The ceasefire has been brokered by Egypt, which will also guarantee the terms. They include an end to Hamas missile fire from Gaza at Israel and an Israeli commitment to stop targeting senior Hamas leaders for assassination.

    The deal also calls for Israel to open the crossings into and out of Gaza - the details of which are to be thrashed out in the next 24 hours.

    Ceasefire agreement
        Israel should stop all hostilities in the Gaza Strip's land, sea and air, including incursions and targeting of individuals.
        All Palestinian factions shall stop all hostilities from the Gaza Strip against Israel, including rocket attacks and all attacks along the border.
        Opening the crossings and facilitating the movements of people and transfer of goods and refraining from restricting residents' free movements and targeting residents in border areas and procedures of implementation shall be dealt with after 24 hours from the start of the ceasefire.
        Other matters as may be requested shall be addressed.

    Implementation mechanisms
        Setting up the zero hour for the ceasefire understanding to enter into effect.
        Egypt shall receive assurances from each party that the party commits to what was agreed upon.
        Each party shall commit itself not to perform any acts that would breach this understanding. In case of any observations Egypt as the sponsor of this understanding shall be informed to follow up.

    I totally love this bit:
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    Israel and Hamas both ramped up their attacks in the final minutes before the ceasefire took effect at 9:00pm local time (6:00am AEDT), with Israel pounding targets in Gaza and Hamas launching a late flurry of missiles at southern Israel.

    Way to demonstrate coolness and good faith, lads. Roll Eyes
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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #170 - November 21, 2012, 11:32 PM
    when hamas start firing rockets again, then what?

    Will people then understand why there was a blockade in the first place?
    Will Israel be justified in closing the crossings again?
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #171 - November 22, 2012, 03:52 AM
    TBH the Israelis were being unnecessarily restrictive in what they allowed through. Given the history of the situation, I think Israel is quite entitled to run checks on anything going into or coming out of Gaza, but they should free things up as much as they safely can. .What Israel should do is say they'll open the crossings to all reasonable supplies (ie: not weapons, etc) as long as there are no atttacks on Israeli property or people. If there are any attacks, the deal's off.

    That should make life easier for the average people in Gaza, and gives Hamas a fair chance to show they can be trusted to actually want peace (have my doubts there, of course).
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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #172 - November 22, 2012, 05:58 AM
    Interesting article: Gaza crisis: The legal position of Israel and Hamas

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    International law regulates the use of military force by states and the conduct of hostilities

    As in virtually every modern conflict, there is intense debate on the legality of the actions of the two sides involved here - Israel and Hamas.

    Israel argues that its Operation Pillar of Defence is justified under the right of self-defence. This position has in principle been supported by various countries, including the US and EU member states. Enshrined in Article 51 of the UN Charter, the right of self-defence is accepted as a fundamental principle of international law. While aspects of this principle are disputed, it is universally agreed that a state can defend itself against an armed attack.

    There is some debate as to the intensity that an armed attack should reach before a state can lawfully resort to self-defence. Most international lawyers would agree that rockets launched against civilians that disrupt the social life of part of a country constitute an armed attack for the purposes of Article 51.

    Self-defence

    A case for self-defence is sometimes contested on factual grounds, for example with the argument that it was the other side that attacked first. In this case, critics of the Israeli position also advance two legal arguments.

    First, they argue that the right of self-defence should be invoked only against another state, but not against a non-state entity like Gaza. State practice, especially since the attacks of 11 September 2001, militates against this interpretation of self-defence.

    Secondly, some commentators maintain that Gaza is still subject to Israeli occupation because of the ongoing blockade, and that Israel cannot rely on self-defence in an occupied territory. Israel argues against this, pointing to its withdrawal from Gaza in 2005.

    In a legal sense, "blockade" and "occupation" are concepts that have been understood in international law as distinct for some time. The conflation of the two is novel, and it runs into logical difficulties when its proponents characterise a ground operation as an "invasion".

    The whole article is worth reading.

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    The legal regulation of war is a sombre affair. This is an area of the law where starry-eyed idealism may be counterproductive.

    It is better to remind ourselves that during an armed conflict, the law can at best reduce suffering but never eliminate it; and that wars, even those fought with a scrupulous observance of all the rules in the book, are always a scourge.

    Guglielmo Verdirame is professor of International Law at the Department of War Studies and Dickson Poon School of Law, King's College London.

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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #173 - November 22, 2012, 07:07 AM
    Quote from: Ishina on November 21, 2012, 04:12 PM
    Ok, I forgive you.

    Aww, I forgive you too. far away hug
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #174 - November 22, 2012, 02:16 PM
    Yay cease-fire! I agree Israel needs to ease their borders. They are really paranoid (with good reason) as they have had suicide bombings at the border in the past and see every civilian as a potential bomber, children, woman and man. I hope Hamas and the people are careful. Don't give Israel a reason to close the borders again. And good for Israel for showing restraint, they could have easily bomb the shit out of Hamas in 2 weeks and the death-toll would have been way worst. people in Israel are disappointed over the cease-fire and says they should have 'finished the job'. An unpopular decision but the right one.

    I still am confused about one thing!? Someone please explain to me the situation Gazans hate Israel so much and call them their sworn enemy, yet they seem to really desperate to need to have goods move in an out from there, as well as people. Why? What about Egypt? If Gazans hate Israel so much why can't they build their economy through Egypt and trade with their border? I mean they are all brothers under Islam and Egypt says they support Palestinians? But I'm wondering why doesn't Gaza forget the Israel border and rebuild through Egypt? Just like Israel doesn't want anything to do with them, why can't they just leave Israel alone. Israel moved all their settlements out and gave them Gaza, so what's the problem now? Can Gaza live without Israel, or do they need Israel to survive?
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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #175 - November 22, 2012, 02:42 PM
    Gaza is not a sovereign country the way, say Australia, is a sovereign country; it's still occupied by Israel, and as such Israel does have something of a responsibility to them. I honestly think Israel should just give them statehood. I doubt Palestine will amount to anything other than an Islamist cesspit or tinpot dictatorship (have they had any elections since 2006?) if it becomes a sovereign state but they will no longer have the Jews to blame their woes on.
  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #176 - November 22, 2012, 03:07 PM
    Quote from: Al-Alethia on November 22, 2012, 02:42 PM
    Gaza is not a sovereign country the way, say Australia, is a sovereign country; it's still occupied by Israel, and as such Israel does have something of a responsibility to them. I honestly think Israel should just give them statehood. I doubt Palestine will amount to anything other than an Islamist cesspit or tinpot dictatorship (have they had any elections since 2006?) if it becomes a sovereign state but they will no longer have the Jews to blame their woes on.


    But Gaza is controlled by Hamas even thought it isn't an official state, Israel has already been mostly hands off I imagine with most of the governing so what's the problem. Well that still goes back to my question. Is statehood in the best interest of the people, or do they need Israel? And how is statehood going to benefit them? I don't think unless a less violent government is in place I can see why Israel wouldn't grant them statehood even though they should rightfully have one. Then Israel and Gaza will be like how Pakistan is with India. :/ A new seemingly failed tiny state with corruption and extremist leaking in. Just having a state for the sake of having power of the people, usually religiously motivated.
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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #177 - November 22, 2012, 07:18 PM
    Quote from: Sakura02 on November 22, 2012, 02:16 PM
    Yay cease-fire! I agree Israel needs to ease their borders. They are really paranoid (with good reason) as they have had suicide bombings at the border in the past and see every civilian as a potential bomber, children, woman and man. I hope Hamas and the people are careful. Don't give Israel a reason to close the borders again. And good for Israel for showing restraint, they could have easily bomb the shit out of Hamas in 2 weeks and the death-toll would have been way worst. people in Israel are disappointed over the cease-fire and says they should have 'finished the job'. An unpopular decision but the right one.

    Well from what I understand, opinion in Israel is divided. The other night on the news, and IDF soldier was saying he hoped the ground offensive didn't go ahead, because he didn't think it would be the right way to handle the situation. There have also been protests in some Israeli cities against the attacks on Gaza.

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    I still am confused about one thing!? Someone please explain to me the situation Gazans hate Israel so much and call them their sworn enemy, yet they seem to really desperate to need to have goods move in an out from there, as well as people. Why? What about Egypt? If Gazans hate Israel so much why can't they build their economy through Egypt and trade with their border? I mean they are all brothers under Islam and Egypt says they support Palestinians? But I'm wondering why doesn't Gaza forget the Israel border and rebuild through Egypt? Just like Israel doesn't want anything to do with them, why can't they just leave Israel alone. Israel moved all their settlements out and gave them Gaza, so what's the problem now? Can Gaza live without Israel, or do they need Israel to survive?

    Egypt doesn't trust Hamas and the other Islamist groups in Gaza either. Egypt regards them as as much of a threat to Egpyt as they are to Israel. Consequently, Egypt has had a very tough border policy. Gaza used to rely on exports to Israel for a large part of its economy. Since the border restrictions were tightened, businesses in Gaza have lost a lot of revenue.
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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #178 - November 22, 2012, 11:03 PM

    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

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  • Re: Palestinian-Israeli conflict escalates following the death of Hamas leader
     Reply #179 - November 23, 2012, 05:50 AM
    i really liked the video "this land is mine" brilliant ..

    but since we're posting articles.. this one (if it hasn't been posted yet) is pretty interesting.. all about the competition of pics and who has the most bloody babies..
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/11/16/the-israeli-palestinian-politics-of-a-bloodied-childs-photo/

    a snippet :

    Was it posed? Was it populist showmanship? Though anyone who has spent time covering Egyptian politicians might doubt their ability to elaborately stage a photo op with this degree of precision.

    The mere fact that we’re asking these questions shows the degree to which images of human suffering in Israel-Palestinian violence are treated as necessarily, even primarily, political; as pieces of evidence to bring before the court of global public opinion. The photos are evaluated on their political strengths and weaknesses: Is the Egyptian prime minister leaning unnaturally into the frame? Do we know for sure that the 11-month-old son of a journalist was killed by an Israeli munition? Was Netanyahu’s tweet too strong?

    Implicit in these debates, still raging on social media, is the assumption that the photos and the tragedies they represent are inherently political. You might find yourself wondering who politicized them first — who is more to blame — but that question, though natural, is in many ways an extension of the same bickering. The accusations of misusing photos to tar the other side, of faking injuries to generate outside sympathy are all part of a wider, shared assumption that the world would feel differently if only everyone knew how badly “we” suffered, and how much “they” are faking it.

    In this thinking, each new image is an opportunity to finally show the world the truth, as well as a danger that the “other side” will continue to distort. That mutual emphasis on blame, as well as the deep mistrust behind it, are of course just one small part of the larger and more complicated Israel-Palestine conflict. And that conflict, it seems, even extends to the conversations around photos of children killed in its long and bloody course.
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