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 Poll

  • Question: How much knowledge of Islam did you have when you apostatisized?
  • I was a dawah master/scholar I had that shit memorized - 3 (6.5%)
  • Too much for my own good. - 27 (58.7%)
  • Average knowledge. - 12 (26.1%)
  • Barely any... just kind of left.. - 4 (8.7%)
  • Total Voters: 45

 Topic: The More you know the Less you want

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  • The More you know the Less you want
     Reply #60 - March 03, 2013, 07:15 PM

    Ok judging by the results of this thread. The only way to spread apostasy/critical thinking, is by encouraging people to learn about Islam.  cool2
    Who would have thought. Perhaps dawahists are doing the job for us.

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • The More you know the Less you want
     Reply #61 - March 03, 2013, 09:38 PM

    Ok judging by the results of this thread. The only way to spread apostasy/critical thinking, is by encouraging people to learn about Islam.  cool2
    Who would have thought. Perhaps dawahists are doing the job for us.


    The thing is that they sugar coat their dawahs and paint a nice picture of Islam and that is how they sell it to the ignorant.

    We have to make people aware of the truth.
  • The More you know the Less you want
     Reply #62 - March 12, 2013, 04:46 AM

    I still can't wrap my head around it. The men in my family are getting more and more religious the older they get. They are growing out their beards while more and more women are starting to wear hijabs.

    Even as a child at the mosque I just kept thinking "why?" to most of what the teacher was teaching us. When people today (who not only recite it in arabic but look up the translations) keep reading verses like:

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    3:56- And as for those who disbelieved, I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers.


    and have no qualms about it. Huh?  They find this something worthy of praise and worship? Everyone always nods along to all this and I just look at everyone baffled. Can someone explain it to me? please?

    "In every religion there is love, yet love has no religion"

    "The intellectual runs away, afraid of drowning; the whole business of love is to drown in the sea." - Rumi
  • The More you know the Less you want
     Reply #63 - March 12, 2013, 05:00 AM

    It's similar to something I said here the other day. If you are a religious creationist, you MUST believe that the God who created the universe, the galaxies, the stars, the solar system, the earth, the mountains, the trees, the billions of humans and countless other species actually gives two shits about you and your life specifically. He cares about what you eat, who you fuck, how you bathe, who your friends are, what your job is, and so on. That is incredibly self centered and narcissistic. It is almost impossible IMO to turn that level of self centered narcissism around and even entertain the idea that that God might actually hate you.

    So all religious people end up thinking that God is on their side and he loves them and all those nasty, mean verses must be talking about someone else.
  • The More you know the Less you want
     Reply #64 - March 12, 2013, 05:27 PM

    Yep same.

    I actually had to stop reading the Quran because it weakened my faith. The verses of graphic torture of my fellow human beings too were completely incongruent with the notion of Allah being merciful.

    I remember reading the incredibly bizarre and petty trick that the prophet Joseph played on his brothers, I just shook my head at the passive aggressive behavior of this so called 'prophet of God'.

    Researching into the life of Muhammad was shocking. Muslims (and so did I) will try to assign virtuous motives for behavior and proclamations that would earn any other human being the label of a narcissistic megalomaniac.

    Slavery, and the sex slave trade (the law in no way prevents - and didn't prevent - muslims from buying and selling women as sex slaves), turned my stomach.

    But finding out that the majority position was that Muhammad groomed and abused a child was the first time I experienced serious doubt about Islam. I remember having a panic attack, but consoled myself in 'alternative' interpretations of her age.

    The proof lies in the Hadith-collection! I couldnt keep on believing after reading what is considered to be "sahih" (authentic) hadith. Islam became more and more the product of a power-hungry warlord.

    Both of these and :

     All my life I was told how great Muhammad was, how great Islam is and how nobody left it [ you can be as bad a Muslim as you want, but you will never leave], how 911 was an inside job, etc. I was somebody who justified Muhammad marrying Aisha [ it was part of the times], justified his many wives, justified why women were told to wear a hijab, yada yada yada. Then I joined the student room forum and it has so many intelligent people. I went in fighting for Islam, left an Agnostic. At the same time - the one event that really shattered my faith - I came across an article about sex slaves, concubines and female war prisoners on AskImam and that article made my jaws drop and blew up my mind. The author tried to justify the cruelty but in my mind nothing he said could justify it. I showed it to my mother [the one who told me to read up on Askimam because I had questions] and she then said that you should try some other sources because Askimam might not be authentic. She told me to go to a mullana and then denied the fact that this article was authentic.
    So yeah ever since then I started reading up more about Islam and at the same time Evolution [thanks to TSR, I was introduced to this], and stopped believing because of creationism and the stupid/cruel stuff in the Quran.
    What really severed the thread though - like completely, were the atheist memes on facebook. They are soo true and they really get you thinking. Plus as a bonus they are funny !

    Here is the article, for those who want to take a look: http://www.askimam.org/public/question_detail/17032
  • The More you know the Less you want
     Reply #65 - March 12, 2013, 11:14 PM

    I still can't wrap my head around it. The men in my family are getting more and more religious the older they get. They are growing out their beards while more and more women are starting to wear hijabs.

    Even as a child at the mosque I just kept thinking "why?" to most of what the teacher was teaching us. When people today (who not only recite it in arabic but look up the translations) keep reading verses like:

    and have no qualms about it. Huh?  They find this something worthy of praise and worship? Everyone always nods along to all this and I just look at everyone baffled. Can someone explain it to me? please?



    Simply put it's an us vs. them mentality because Islam's legitimacy is being threatened, and they know it. And hijabis are walking fucking billboards for Islam, I mean before a woman could be Muslim and not wear a hijab, but that wouldn't distinguish her from a dirty kufir. It's for show, not just for the community but for society so they can point and say. Hey look at how fast Islam is growing.   

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
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