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  • Sick of hiding it
     Reply #30 - March 04, 2013, 08:19 AM
    ^ Can anyone actually decipher any meaningful content from this guy's posts?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Sick of hiding it
     Reply #31 - March 04, 2013, 08:35 AM
    Quote from: Ishina on March 04, 2013, 08:19 AM
    ^ Can anyone actually decipher any meaningful content from this guy's posts?


    I have been trying, but to no avail, so don't worry you ain't missing anything whatsoever.
  • Sick of hiding it
     Reply #32 - March 04, 2013, 10:09 AM
    Quote from: Lilyesque on March 04, 2013, 08:35 AM
    I have been trying, but to no avail, so don't worry you ain't missing anything whatsoever.

    So god is an innate feeling of right or wrong? If so then god is just another word for good or whatever. You are just labelling it god/allah.

    Yes, because an innate qualities of life and need to pursue a deep relationship with the divine (Allah) by self-realization and self-observation.
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Sick of hiding it
     Reply #33 - March 04, 2013, 12:09 PM
    Quote from: S.A.M on March 04, 2013, 05:59 AM
    It is the senses of touch, feel and taste to received the impression of a knowledgeable, positive resource…e.g when we're hungry or thirsty.. it is our body’s ways of letting us know through the senses of touch, feel and taste… the same thing..Warning signs of when it's time the soul leaves the body.


    Wait a minute, are seriously telling me that our senses is what you interpret to meaning God is communicating with you. You seem to have a definition of God which sounds similar to that mystics use to say that god is everything which is very very vague and inconsistent. Also when your body gives warning signs like a stroke or severe headaches etc it usually a good indication to go see a doctor rather than claim its the souls time to leave the body.

    Quote from: S.A.M on March 04, 2013, 05:59 AM
    Audible

    When men were sentenced to death…believe it or not.. is it a word from Allah. All they have to do is surrender to Allah… Islam (submission, surrender).



    I know all about Islams view on destiny/fate. what you are doing is applying mysticism to a natural event of dying. I see that for you it is a coping mechanism which is fine but don't assert meaning behind events like this which you clearly can't substantiate and are clear conjecture.

    p.s I've been trying to understand your post best I can, this is the best I could do, If I happen to got the wrong meaning out of your post, you could atleast try to explain in more detail rather using mumbo jumbo and vague claims. It would be much appreaciated.
  • Sick of hiding it
     Reply #34 - March 04, 2013, 12:14 PM
    Quote from: S.A.M on March 04, 2013, 10:09 AM
    Yes, because an innate qualities of life and need to pursue a deep relationship with the divine (Allah) by self-realization and self-observation.


    What you are doing is equating our human need to understand reality with the claim God made it so. The former is an evolutionary trait which has helped us to survive the harsh reality, the latter is pure conjecture. Before you claim all our feelings are from god please give us a definition of God.
  • Sick of hiding it
     Reply #35 - March 04, 2013, 03:18 PM
     parrot

    We really need to classify the gods properly, their ecology, their life cycles.  For example, Zeus was around for possibly two thousand years, Thor a bit less, Allah for fifteen hundred years, Ahura Mazda is still around.  Gods do become extinct!

    Look on the prayers and rituals as respecting the traditions of strange peoples your alien spacecraft has crash landed amongst!

    And remember, as Baden Powell said, it is easy to create traditions, just needs some showmanship and people think it has been going on for ever!

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Sick of hiding it
     Reply #36 - March 05, 2013, 03:32 AM
    Quote from: e-raja on March 04, 2013, 12:14 PM
    What you are doing is equating our human need to understand reality with the claim God made it so. The former is an evolutionary trait which has helped us to survive the harsh reality, the latter is pure conjecture. Before you claim all our feelings are from god please give us a definition of God.

    Let us take a look at the compiled definition of Allah taken from Quran scriptures.

    The Most Lovingly Beneficent, The Most Kind and Giving, The Most Gracious, The Infinitely Good, The Most Merciful, The Most Compassionate ..

    The One who continually showers all of creation with blessings and prosperity without any disparity. The One who is most kind, loving and merciful. The One whose endless, loving mercy is perfect and inclusive. The One who is overflowing with the quality of loving mercy and is continually pouring it upon all of creation. The One whose perfect mercy and loving beneficence endlessly embrace all of creation. The One who loves and cherishes all of creation. The One who is most loving, gentle and merciful. The One who grants even more grace and greater rewards in response to our good actions and high thoughts.  The One who greatly rewards those who use the Divine bounties and beneficence in a good way. The One who has mercy on the merciful and so on.

    Quote from: e-raja on March 04, 2013, 12:09 PM
    Wait a minute, are seriously telling me that our senses is what you interpret to meaning God is communicating with you. You seem to have a definition of God which sounds similar to that mystics use to say that god is everything which is very very vague and inconsistent. Also when your body gives warning signs like a stroke or severe headaches etc it usually a good indication to go see a doctor rather than claim its the souls time to leave the body.

    Agreed a stroke or severe headaches and illnesses can be treated but not signal signs when the souls want to leave the body because we have never died before, we don't know the warning signs of death

    Quote from: e-raja on March 04, 2013, 12:09 PM
    I know all about Islams view on destiny/fate. what you are doing is applying mysticism to a natural event of dying. I see that for you it is a coping mechanism which is fine but don't assert meaning behind events like this which you clearly can't substantiate and are clear conjecture.

    p.s I've been trying to understand your post best I can, this is the best I could do, If I happen to got the wrong meaning out of your post, you could at least try to explain in more detail rather using mumbo jumbo and vague claims. It would be much appreaciated.

    I'll do my best.
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Sick of hiding it
     Reply #37 - March 05, 2013, 03:50 AM
    Dude, I'm sorry, but are you on crack or something? Have you even read the quran? If so, how can you say that Allah is " The One who loves and cherishes all of creation." There is at least 70% of humanity that Allah absolutely loathes for being exactly the way that he planned for them to be. If you really believe in Allah, you must also believe that he is mad. It says in the quran "And had we willed, we would have given each soul it's guidance BUT THE WORD IS TRUE FROM ME THAT I WILL FILL HELL WITH MANKIND AND JINN ALTOGETHER."

    In other words, I could fix the problem if I wanted to, but I'd rather torture my creatures eternally.

    Do you really believe in a being that depraved? And if you do, how can you claim with a straight face that he is " The One who loves and cherishes all of creation."

    Your claims and your God you believe in are an insult to mankind.
  • Sick of hiding it
     Reply #38 - March 05, 2013, 04:40 AM
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    Dude, I'm sorry, but are you on crack or something? Have you even read the quran? If so, how can you say that Allah is " The One who loves and cherishes all of creation." There is at least 70% of humanity that Allah absolutely loathes for being exactly the way that he planned for them to be. If you really believe in Allah, you must also believe that he is mad. It says in the quran "And had we willed, we would have given each soul it's guidance BUT THE WORD IS TRUE FROM ME THAT I WILL FILL HELL WITH MANKIND AND JINN ALTOGETHER."

    In other words, I could fix the problem if I wanted to, but I'd rather torture my creatures eternally.

    Do you really believe in a being that depraved? And if you do, how can you claim with a straight face that he is " The One who loves and cherishes all of creation."

    Your claims and your God you believe in are an insult to mankind.

    Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Rahim meaning In the name of God, most Gracious, most Compassionate

    ir-Rahman ir-Rahim which emerges from the source of all creation, while also conveying a sense of tenderness, loving-kindness, protection and nourishment.

    For your info, Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Rahim existed before the Torah, Bible and Quran.
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Sick of hiding it
     Reply #39 - March 05, 2013, 04:56 AM
    Despite every indication that you are giving me to the contrary, I will continue to address you as though you are a rational human being. How do you reconcile Allah's infinite mercy and love with his stated desire to roast 70% of mankind eternally? Especially since he says he could fix the problem if he wanted to, but chose not to. (see above)
  • Sick of hiding it
     Reply #40 - March 05, 2013, 05:12 AM
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    Despite every indication that you are giving me to the contrary, I will continue to address you as though you are a rational human being. How do you reconcile Allah's infinite mercy and love with his stated desire to roast 70% of mankind eternally? Especially since he says he could fix the problem if he wanted to, but chose not to. (see above)

    Quran reference for this pls....,BUT THE WORD IS TRUE FROM ME THAT I WILL FILL HELL WITH MANKIND AND JINN ALTOGETHER."
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Sick of hiding it
     Reply #41 - March 05, 2013, 06:20 AM
    Surah 32, verse 13.
  • Sick of hiding it
     Reply #42 - March 05, 2013, 06:53 AM
    Surah 32, verse 13
    And if we had willed, We could have given every soul its guidance, but the word from Me will come into effect [that] "I will surely fill Hell with jinn and people all together.

    In line with soul guidance if we want our lives to be different no one ( including all known and unknown prophets) can escape from Hell.


    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Sick of hiding it
     Reply #43 - March 05, 2013, 07:01 AM
    What on earth are you talking about? You have completely and rather unskillfully avoided my question. You said that Allah is " The One who loves and cherishes all of creation." I gave you a verse that shows that he will deliberately fill hell with untold numbers of them, with full capacity to do otherwise. What kind of sick love is this? Please answer me, SAM.
  • Sick of hiding it
     Reply #44 - March 05, 2013, 07:08 AM
    Your statement:

    " The One who loves and cherishes all of creation."

    "Allah 's" statement:

    [3:32] Say, `Obey ALLAH and HIS Messenger;' but if they turn away, then remember that ALLAH loves not the disbelievers.

    [3:57] `And as for those who believe and do good works, HE will give them their full rewards. And ALLAH loves not the wrongdoers.'

    Who is telling the truth? Are wrong doers and sinners not also Allah 's creation?
  • Sick of hiding it
     Reply #45 - March 05, 2013, 07:21 AM
    ^ You actually respond to this guy Cheesy 
  • Sick of hiding it
     Reply #46 - March 05, 2013, 07:24 AM
    Yeah. I can't sleep and he can't win. It'll keep going on and on till I get bored and pass out. It's kinda like counting sheep.
  • Sick of hiding it
     Reply #47 - March 05, 2013, 07:35 AM
    Quote from: happymurtad on March 05, 2013, 07:08 AM
    Your statement:

    " The One who loves and cherishes all of creation."

    "Allah 's" statement:

    [3:32] Say, `Obey ALLAH and HIS Messenger;' but if they turn away, then remember that ALLAH loves not the disbelievers.

    [3:57] `And as for those who believe and do good works, HE will give them their full rewards. And ALLAH loves not the wrongdoers.'

    Who is telling the truth? Are wrong doers and sinners not also Allah 's creation?

    It is Allah himself telling the truth.. If we deny ourselves as Muhammad, and commit as wrong doers, sinners, disbelievers etc...there should be the punishment for us for denying as Muhammad.

    In the Quran never calls him the son of Abdullah, What I mean neither son of Abdullah or Mohammad Ibn Abdullah is mentioned in any Holy Scriptures including Quran, Bible, Torah etc.. The Muhammad or Ahmad mentions some Hloy scriptures or by known and unknown prophets (from Adam to Jesus) by name, which came before the Muhammad son of Abdullah a human being was born. ...The name Muhammad is mentioned four times in the Qur'an. We must know,who was the real Muhammad.

    That's why Mohammad Ibn Abdullah, he abolished all forms of idol-worship to him.

    Quote from: happymurtad on March 05, 2013, 07:01 AM
    What on earth are you talking about? You have completely and rather unskillfully avoided my question. You said that Allah is " The One who loves and cherishes all of creation." I gave you a verse that shows that he will deliberately fill hell with untold numbers of them, with full capacity to do otherwise. What kind of sick love is this? Please answer me, SAM.

    See above answer
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Sick of hiding it
     Reply #48 - March 05, 2013, 07:40 AM
    Quote from: happymurtad on March 05, 2013, 07:24 AM
    Yeah. I can't sleep and he can't win. It'll keep going on and on till I get bored and pass out. It's kinda like counting sheep.


    Responding to him makes him win though. He's a master baiter.

    Rule #1 of the internet is don't feed the trolls.
  • Sick of hiding it
     Reply #49 - March 05, 2013, 07:42 AM
    This is like playing chess with someone who doesn't even understand the game. You've bored me out of my insomnia, SAM, and have done nothing to make a coherent point. I'd love to say it was fun, but it wasn't. G'night.
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