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  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     OP - May 06, 2013, 05:01 PM

    As someone who grew up in a Western Secular country, I kind of get offended when one states that women only want to appear attractive for men and there is no other reason for her to 'flaunt' her beauty. On another perspective, putting on make-up, or wearing something pretty doesn't have to be to get the attention of men, but just something that made you feel good, It makes you confident.

    And then as I do research on Muslim women, despite being covered they still find subtle ways to at least feel pretty. Be it colorful hijabs, jewerly, make-up or as Paris Hilton said, when she opened her shop in Saudi Arabia. Handbags. Because women are fully covered the only way to show some kind of beauty is through designer hand bags. Which got me thinking... all this talk about modesty this and modesty that, maybe women just want to feel beautiful is that a crime?

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #1 - May 06, 2013, 05:03 PM

    Go back to medieval Europe - then it was the men who were pretty, wearing beautiful multicoloured tights, wondrous codpieces and tightly fitting gorgeously tailored tunics.


    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


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  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #2 - May 06, 2013, 05:30 PM

    I think wanting to look nice is a human thing.

    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself
    - 32nd United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt
  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #3 - May 06, 2013, 08:08 PM

    It is about the opposite sex whether you consciously acknowledge it or not, biology determines that -and society has created the standards of what's deemed 'attractive/pretty'. Generally feeling good about yourself is knowing you're desirable and worthy. Worthy of existing, worthy of status, deserving of things....It's expressing to the world your assumed value.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #4 - May 06, 2013, 08:47 PM

    I agree that it is a natural human phenomenon to want to feel attractive and that much of that feeling stems from sexual selection. No amount of religious restriction or black cloth will change that.

    In the gulf particularly, abaya selling is a huge business and the women there know and shop for designs and styles much in the same way that western women shop for their favorite designs. This is not to mention the racy sorts of clothes that women regularly buy to be worn in the home, and the manicures, pedicures, and loads of eye make-up that is prevalently worn there.

    Personally, in many ways, I found the abaya to enhance the sexual attractiveness of women in Saudi Arabia, as it levels the playing field and leaves everything up to the imagination. So long as a woman had pretty enough eyes (as most women do), I found my self subconsciously assuming they were all supermodels underneath. Cheesy
  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #5 - May 06, 2013, 09:47 PM

    It is about the opposite sex whether you consciously acknowledge it or not, biology determines that -and society has created the standards of what's deemed 'attractive/pretty'. Generally feeling good about yourself is knowing you're desirable and worthy. Worthy of existing, worthy of status, deserving of things....It's expressing to the world your assumed value.


    good point Shocked

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  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #6 - May 06, 2013, 09:51 PM

    This sums it up for me:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIb6AZdTr-A

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #7 - May 06, 2013, 09:55 PM

     Cheesy
  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #8 - May 07, 2013, 12:19 AM

    beauty fades, it's so fleeting, meaningless.  yeah, it will help you get laid faster, but so what.

    I like women who build a beautiful mind and spirit, chase their dreams and follow their passion.  that's what makes people really attractive, in my book.  their spirit.

    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #9 - May 07, 2013, 01:15 AM

    My  niece just came out of the room with red lipstick smeared all over her face. Cutie patootieeeeeee


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfWWTrug_e0

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #10 - May 13, 2013, 04:02 PM

    I'm not sure women 'naturally' want to look pretty.

    I think women are taught to want it.

    You going to tell me that that feral female children who were raised by pack animals want to look naturally pretty?  That's the only example I can think of, in which a human child isn't raised with human socialisation, in order to compare with.

    I just don't think I would care as much if I wasn't taught to care that much. 

    If I wasn't told that i needed make up, or didn't observe my female relatives from a young age caring that much about what they looked like.


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #11 - May 13, 2013, 05:09 PM

    Berbs: I think you may be right in regards to the example you give about ferral children. But that to me seems an extreme, unnatural environment that occurs infrequently in nature. Given almost any other more natural state, for any animal, biology kicks in and competition kicks in. And attractiveness is usually then an important criteria to gauge mating pedigree with.

    And congratulations on POTM. If you haven't won that before, that's long overdue  Smiley

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  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #12 - May 13, 2013, 05:36 PM

    Yea, maybe feral children felt unable to attract a mate of the species raising them because they were abnormal in comparison, since it is true that even animals have things they use to attract mates, things based on how they look, preening, flashing fancy coloured bootys at each other etc.

    I guess the motivator to want to attract a mate exists, but the way human's beautify themselves to achieve that is the construction since it changes so often and isn't even the same all over the world.

    also, thanks for alerting me, I hadn't even noticed as I've been away last couple of weeks.  Grin

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #13 - May 13, 2013, 09:03 PM

    Everyone wants to look good. Women want to look and feel beautiful and men want to look handsome and want to feel good about themselves. What is wrong with that?

    We all want to live in beautiful houses, sit on beautiful carpets and sleep in beautiful beds. Men and women want to look at beautiful people. male or female. We like to look at beautiful pictures. We all enjoy the beauty of nature, the flowers, the trees, rivers and mountains. We all love beautiful animals. We all should strive to make this world as beautiful as possible.

    वासुदैव कुटुम्बकम्
    Entire World is One Family
    سارا سنسار ايک پريوار ہے
  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #14 - May 13, 2013, 10:10 PM

    I'm not sure women 'naturally' want to look pretty.


    Its gone past any point of reasonableness. Cosmetics and fashion industry created peer pressure. The competition between my daughters and their friends when they were younger. Washing, colouring, cutting, plucking, preening, squirting. Pushing each other well beyond anywhere that a young man would want them to go, (in most cases they look better if they try less). Its appalling that young women don't think they have any worth without this. Fortunately, the three oldest have grown out of it now. The youngest is getting there, though she's still a bit of a fashion fascist.
  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #15 - May 13, 2013, 10:15 PM

    I think looking pretty is usually an extension of what we do naturally anyway. Eyes, lips, hair, breasts, the way we posture ourselves, are all natural attractors. We've just advanced enough to be able to exaggerate or embellish our attractors.

    If you completely wiped out all traces of human culture and started from scratch, humans would develop ways of accentuating their attractiveness again. Those ways would probably just be the same ways again – accentuating the same natural attractors, the eyes, lips, and so on.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #16 - May 13, 2013, 11:18 PM

    If you completely wiped out all traces of human culture and started from scratch, humans would develop ways of accentuating their attractiveness again.

    On a wildlife documentary last night there was a female elephant who had a rolling, shimmying walk that reminded me of Naomi Campbell before the coke destroyed her.

    If a mud-encrusted elephant with dangling folds of grey furrowed skin can look sexy, I'm sure we'd find a way.
  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #17 - May 14, 2013, 12:03 AM

    Men like to look good too. 

    I mean most men like to bulk up because they think it is attractive.   




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  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #18 - May 14, 2013, 01:20 PM

    I'm not sure women 'naturally' want to look pretty.

    I think women are taught to want it.


    That is what I have always assumed. But seeing my 2 year old niece I am not so certain anymore. When her grandma bought her a pink dress for her second birthday, her face just lit up and she got so happy. It seems like very early on, my nephew is playing with toy cars and trucks and my niece is super happy when she gets new clothes.

    Of course this could be simply because the socialization has already taken place at the age of 1, perhaps the first year is in fact the most crucial. When I have kids I will see if I can get my daughter to be into the same kinds of toys as my son, as an experiment. What about your kids Berbs?
  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #19 - May 14, 2013, 02:35 PM

    I think socialisation may have occurred.


    For example, in the early days of being a parent it was just me and my son, from when he was 3 months old to when he was 3 as his father was in prison, during that time he didn't favour boys toys, infact when he was about 3 and half he was given an option to buy a toy of his choice because he had been so well behaved at his child minders, and he chose a barbie doll.  His father flipped out, took the toy off him and gave it to his female cousin.

    After that my son never chose a female doll at all.

    In the early days I could put a pink T shirt on my son, and it didn't bother him, as he has grown up he refuses to have any pink, not even pink stripes on a navy blue tie I bought him once for a party he had at school.

    I personally think when it was just me raising him, there was no boy or girl preferences, he was just himself, and then once his father became a man influence that he could see, he then learned to be different. 

    My daughter of course is harder to tell, because she was always around a woman, from young she has seen me, learnt from me.....and of course I went a bit crazy and always bought her pink stuff because I was so happy I had a girl. 

    However like I said, my first son was just with me, and I was very anti social, so his socialisation didn't involve a male influence until he started to see his dad regularly, and during that time he would still choose blue and pink, barbies and bob the builder.  It was more what he liked, rather than what his gender needed to like.

    Now he's 14 going on 15, and is so totally a boy.  Really trying to be macho, and being exposed to all sorts of stupidity.

    It's not a battle I am going to win.  It's me, against the world really, and the world is very specific about gender roles.

    The whole issue of wanting to look pretty, and of course the world needing you to be pretty, that's depressing though lol

    Having my daughter come home questioning her worth as a person because someone called her fat....which is just dumb ass children not being able to tell the difference between fat and extremely tall, she is very very tall for a 9yr old.

    Seeing my son get paranoid about his skin colour because everyone calls him a paki.

    I get there is some underlying natural human desire to find a mate, just these narrow conditions that you have to meet, that's the unnatural part, the social part. 


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #20 - May 15, 2013, 01:19 AM

    On a wildlife documentary last night there was a female elephant who had a rolling, shimmying walk that reminded me of Naomi Campbell before the coke destroyed her.

    If a mud-encrusted elephant with dangling folds of grey furrowed skin can look sexy, I'm sure we'd find a way.


    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #21 - May 15, 2013, 04:16 AM

    It's not a battle I am going to win.  It's me, against the world really, and the world is very specific about gender roles.

    A Hello-Kitty-loving man in pink trousers rides to your rescue...
  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #22 - May 18, 2013, 01:40 AM


    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #23 - May 18, 2013, 01:50 AM

     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #24 - May 18, 2013, 01:51 AM

    A Hello-Kitty-loving man in pink trousers rides to your rescue...

    You do realise that you have just perpetuated the old gender stereotype of men riding to the rescue of helpless damsels in distress.

    Yer fuckered. bunny

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #25 - May 18, 2013, 07:34 AM

    I wonder why I always get steretyped as the Don Draper type just because I love wearing suits and smoking cigarrates in public sad

    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

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  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #26 - May 18, 2013, 07:40 AM

    You do realise that you have just perpetuated the old gender stereotype of men riding to the rescue of helpless damsels in distress.

    Yer fuckered. bunny


    We'll make a feminist of you yet Os.  Grin

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #27 - May 18, 2013, 08:28 AM

    In your dreams, baby. Cheesy

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #28 - May 18, 2013, 08:40 AM

    I wonder why I always get steretyped as the Don Draper type just because I love wearing suits and smoking cigarrates in public sad

    IKR. Some people. Roll Eyes Would you believe I get stereotyped as a smartarse wanker with an ego the size of King Kong? FFS. finmad

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Don't women naturally just want to feel pretty
     Reply #29 - May 21, 2013, 08:36 PM

    You bring up an excellent point. Women who wear the hijab say that they are trying to preserve their natural beauty, yet replace that beauty with materialistic object, and clothing, only to attract the same beauty they are trying to preserve by wearing the hijab. In reality their hypocritical ways reveal that they do intend to want to feel beautiful as it is a natural feeling of all humans but they do not want to acknowledge the fact that they are not preserving beauty by wearing a hijab  because of religious indoctrination.
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