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  • Confused young women in the west
     OP - June 08, 2013, 03:54 PM

    Let me start of by saying that this WILL contain a healthy handful of vulgar and unladylike words, so if you have an issue with that you can leave swiftly and efficiently to minimise headaches.
    So lets call me "Emma". I was born in Iraq under a  easy going family when it comes to religion. My paternal grandparents didn't pray, although they did fast Ramadan. I was raised in their home along with my parents (living there) and brother. About the age of 3 we moved and got our own place. Same time the war happened, we moved away in 06 and in 08 we moved to the US. My mum comes from a much more conservative family, my grandpa being a a Saiid and her a Alilwia. At the age of 9 I wasn't allowed to wear tank tops, even in the smoldering heat. I was forced on "family" outings where my brother and dad would go swimming in the lake whilest I tried to ignore the look bikini-clad passerbys gave to make itchy and uncomfortable jeans. Oh, and I had to listen to my mum saying "isn't this so much fun?". Sure mum, sure it is. Everyday I asked god to have me wake up into another person's body, life and just lose myself. I dream about what I don't have, money, looks, boyfriends, nice parents, no siblings. And most of all freedom. Time after time I came to the conclusion that my life is to put simply, fucked up. I started thinking that god just hates me, that he would put me in this shitty intolerable "test" where I would have to sacrifice socially acceptable attitudes in order not to be influenced by the damned "non-believers". But I couldn't, I just couldn't. Why the fuck am I a girl? Why does my religion requires girls to hide their beauty? They claim it is so men don't "rape" us, that our looks arouse them. But isn't that victim blaming? Surely most men can control their dicks from stirring at the sight of boobs. Why am I the "chosen" society of Allah? Why couldn't I be born to some Christian, Buddahist, or even athiest family who accepts the life around them, not clinging to 7th century compatable beliefs?
    Naturally I have never voice these opinions and thoughts to my family, who continue to oppose my ideas in every direction. To put it out there, I believe in god. I believe that god created us. And loves us and wants use to be happy, but as far as Islam goes it's restricting me from that dream. Most of my friends are either atheist or spiritual live comfortable lives, their worries a fraction of mine. I am 14, and I feel as if I am missing out on life.
    Despite being the best example of family, Islam fails to repair my disfunctional one. My father had been unemployed for 8 months, my mother constantly swears at me, calling me a whore, slut and whatever she pleases. My brother is a hypocritical pussy who takes control over me because he is a "man". Islam is a man's religion. I cannot fathom why is it that my worth is half of a scumbag's as my brother. This is the 21st century people, I can get a job and support myself thank you very much. I vowed to never marry an Arab.
    How easy is it to just POP and leave the religion? Yet there is still that hanging feeling that there will be a hole in my life. And if I do plan to leave I must be 18, in order to live on my own. Yet I love god, and the idea of a family.
    This is a true paradox, and I will not make hasty decisions. I will investigate on both sides of the arguments.
    Please leave me your questions, comments or concerns as of this issue.
    BTW: if I leave the religion I plan to move to England for Uni.

    Just like Johnny Flynn said, the breath I've taken and the one I must to go on.
  • Confused young women in the west
     Reply #1 - June 08, 2013, 04:15 PM

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    Let me start of by saying that this WILL contain a healthy handful of vulgar and unladylike words, so if you have an issue with that you can leave swiftly and efficiently to minimise headaches.

     
    Nice warning. ^__^

    Hi Emma & welcome bunny, sorry to hear about your problems & Good luck with your plan.
  • Confused young women in the west
     Reply #2 - June 08, 2013, 07:06 PM

     parrot

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    The short skirt was not really worn by many women until 1966 [when Mary Quant introduced short mini dresses and skirts that were set 6 or 7 inches above the knee] and not nationwide until 1967. The mini skirts reached their hayday in the year 1970. At that time,they were worn worldwide by the vast majority of women ,even in many Islamic, Arab, and Middle Eastern countries.In the Middle East ,women wore mini skirts as their daily apparel. From Kabul in Afghanistan to Iran and Bahrain in the Persian Gulf,Egypt,the Levant,North Africa,etc, mini skirts were the trend and it was generally acceptable for many women to wear them, even in the most religious and conservative families and societies.Among women who wore the mini skirts,were most school and university students , teachers and university staff members ,house wives,working classes,employees in governmental institutions,doctors and nurses in hospitals ,etc.This might be surprising to newer generations who never expected mini skirts to have been, at one point in time [1966-1975], so common in the Middle East.Many of younger generations were really astonished,when I happened to show them old photos of their grandmothers,aunts and other older relatives [above 50 ] wearing mini skirts through out their youth


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  • Confused young women in the west
     Reply #3 - June 08, 2013, 07:46 PM

    Thank you for the support Smiley
    Oh and the information about short skirts is quite something, infact my mother wore shorter lengths at the age of 28 than I am allowed to at the age of 14... Where is the logic within that? Huh?

    Just like Johnny Flynn said, the breath I've taken and the one I must to go on.
  • Confused young women in the west
     Reply #4 - June 08, 2013, 10:07 PM

    That was a very observant and insightful post, more surprising coming from one so young. Have a rabbit, and a hearty welcome to the CEMB forum!  bunny

    how fuck works without shit??


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  • Confused young women in the west
     Reply #5 - June 09, 2013, 09:13 AM

    Let me start of by saying that this WILL contain a healthy handful of vulgar and unladylike words, so if you have an issue with that you can leave swiftly and efficiently to minimise headaches.

    You'll find that the vast majority of the regulars here couldn't give a flying fuck about that shit.

    Welcome to the forum. parrot

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Confused young women in the west
     Reply #6 - June 09, 2013, 09:50 AM

    ^ What osmanthus said.  Although I do have a problem with lack of paragraphs.

    Despite that I still read your entire post and I too would urge you to investigate all sides of the argument.  I was in the same position once, i.e. still believing in god but not Islam.  It was a gradual transition from Muslim to plain theist to deist and then eventually atheist.  Took about 2-3 years of reading and researching I think, and this has never stopped.

    Thanks for sharing and welcome to the forum!  cheers

    "If a monster existed, it was buried deep within."
  • Confused young women in the west
     Reply #7 - June 09, 2013, 09:52 AM

    That's a great post. I can tell from your writing that you have a natural intelligence and that it is this that will lead you to do what is right for your own inner peace. I think for many kids your age things suck becuase you are at the age where you are becoming your own person, discovering your own mind and yet still have to put up with adults who want to do your thinking for you. That is a universal truth for many teenagers but is made doubly hard when it is within the suffocating confines of religious dogma.
    The good news is that things will get  better for you. I can say that with confidence because you are asking yourself all the right questions already.
    I wish you luck on your journey to freedom

    According to the polls only 1.6 % of Americans are athiests. So what gives you the right to call the other 80% morons?'
  • Confused young women in the west
     Reply #8 - June 12, 2013, 01:51 AM

    Thank you so much for the support, may I ask to hear out your journeys on leaving religion or in my case swaying away from it? Do you still believe in god or a higher power? How did your family deal with it?

    Just like Johnny Flynn said, the breath I've taken and the one I must to go on.
  • Confused young women in the west
     Reply #9 - June 12, 2013, 07:06 AM

    You'll find that the vast majority of the regulars here couldn't give a flying fuck about that shit.

    Welcome to the forum. parrot


    and those who do....well they get the fuck out of here.  Grin

    Also welcome to the forum, enjoy the space, learn to enjoy kicking the riff raff, and you will be fine.   parrot

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Confused young women in the west
     Reply #10 - June 12, 2013, 11:02 PM

    Thank you so much for the support, may I ask to hear out your journeys on leaving religion or in my case swaying away from it? Do you still believe in god or a higher power? How did your family deal with it?

    Hi again, hope you don't mind if I paste what I answered in a post a couple of  years ago when I first came on here. As a bit of background, I am not ex-muslim, I was brought up in a haphazard way in the catholic bullshit.
    .
      WHy did you leave christianity?Huh?
     
    Not sure there was a defining moment , from a very young age I just worked out they were talking shit . I guess it was just the hypocrisy and nonsensical voodoo (   god loves you but he will kill you if you  dont believe he loves you  )  I just drifted from it.  I did however have the residue unconscious stuff going on , the guilt and the fear of being punished by devils etc . I could rationalise that it was bullshit but deep down it still had a hold of certain parts of my psyche.  The Dawkins , Dennett and Hitchens books  were important to me but not as a way of leaving religion , I had done that years before , it was more a psychological/  therapeutic thing , a map of how to get out of the mindfuck and an immensely welcome  articulation of what I knew already. Those books were also an invaluable source of how to counter the voodoo when ever it turned up in my life. I had freed myself from the bonds of religion but those books and chatting  with other atheists( it didnt matter which religion they had left from, there was a universality in the experience )  liberated my mind or as old Dicky Dawkins likes to say , I had my consciousness raised.


     


    The reasons I visit this forum are varied but mainly around the shared experience of escaping the clutches of religious bullshit and a general solidarity. Also I  I am impressed with the courage it takes people to leave Islam. I have said many times that I could stand in any public place and decry my papal-infected informative years and very few,outwith the local nutter, would have much to say, Whereas if a muslim were to do the same they would be decried as the local nutter, or given the clear quranic instructions, a fate much worse could befall them.
    That is why I hang out here.

    According to the polls only 1.6 % of Americans are athiests. So what gives you the right to call the other 80% morons?'
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