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Reply #60 - September 22, 2013, 09:59 PM

Aaaaaaaw Jibbs....

Life is exactly like that. No matter how much a person is in an ignornace is bliss mode the Desires will never die.

We are creatures of passion.

The thing I guess, is to bore yourself out of the self-incurred prison. Trap yourself in that dark room, lock the door and confront all the demons. Let the tears flow, let the blood boil. There may come a time, when you say okay fuck this shit, I'm moving on now.

The thing is, it isn't a once in a lifetime solution. You will have to do it again and again. One day you may find the source of your suffering and then the source of your happiness. The pieces will fit together. But to transcend suffering, one must embrace it, hold it and then let go. When it turns up the second time round you will be stronger and be able to bear the pain.

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Reply #61 - September 22, 2013, 10:07 PM

Or just say "Fuck it, islam isn't for me". I'm coming back to what happymurtad said about how islam convinces you it's you that has the problem, not the religion. Reminds me of you wondering how can Satan be talking to you on Ramadan when he's locked up. Cos, you know, obviously the problem is you not the religion. Yup, all your fault. Only it's not.

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #62 - September 22, 2013, 10:12 PM

This hasn't got anything to do with Islam. Islam is only one of the probems. There are other issues out there that lead to suffering, depression, heart ache and pain.

Financial woes, social insecurity, betrayal of loved ones, dishonest friends, hypocritical family members, a sould sucking career, mental/physical illness, political upheavel and other such things.

Once religion dissapears, it will be one less category to fight and kill and discriminate in the name of.

Saying 'fuck it' doesn't make the problem go away at all. It never is so easy.

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Reply #63 - September 22, 2013, 10:23 PM

Completely agree, but I feel (from what I've seen) most of what bothers Jibbs is the religion, or at least her struggles with coming to grips with it. Obviously this is just what she's revealed about herself. The uncertainty, the doubting herself and her judgement, etc. Or am I misreading it?

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #64 - September 23, 2013, 05:40 PM

Orite ladies, no need to argue over the analysis of jibbs lol.

Quote from: Jedi on September 22, 2013, 09:59 PM
You will have to do it again and again.

Yay looks like a tedious life ahead.

Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on September 22, 2013, 10:07 PM
Or just say "Fuck it, islam isn't for me".

I don't know what it is that won't allow me to just let go like that though. I think perhaps because I doubt myself and I can't honestly say I know anything for definite, the whole process of getting into it I had to unprogramme my ways of thinking, to think even if I don't like it, or even if I don't approve doesn't make me right, it doesn't distinctively draw a line in the sand and say that definitely isn't true. As much as there are horrible things and it paints God to be a horrible being in my perception, but he might just be that, he's not perfect by my definition, but he's perfect by his own definition, and if he possibly created everything, he has the power to torture me, I don't have the power to stop that. So it comes down to is my opinion of what should and shouldn't be morally correct, and who am I? I think it comes down to that for a lot of Muslims, you can question, debate and argue till your blue in the face, then that is always the last thing that stops you. Am I perfect? No, Have I made mistakes or bad decisions? Plenty. So how could I be sure that my opinions, thoughts and decisions are anything more than my views that aren't in line with said creator. Lets go round and round in circles like we're sitting in the tea cups..... Woooooo!

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Reply #65 - September 23, 2013, 05:57 PM

I get told 'why do you think about and look into it so deeply?' That implies the whole ideolgy crumbles if you do. Says it all.

Don't read all those science books bro, you'll just get more confused.

That's funny. The more science I read, the less confused I get.
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Reply #66 - September 23, 2013, 06:00 PM

See, that's where we differ. I accept I can only use my own judgement. I can argue things with people and if what they say makes sense and I can't see a fault, I'll change my mind and accept it. I make decisions, some work out better than others, and I learn from them.

If I don't like something or don't approve of it, then that is my judgement. If I can't trust my own conscience then what can I trust?

For me it's actually rather simple. Is there a god? I don't know. If there is, is it allah? No. No it is not.

We should seriously Skype some time. I'd just lay out the reasons islam is bollocks and probably have a giggle with you.

Speaking of, jvegas did you get my reply to your PM?

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #67 - September 23, 2013, 06:00 PM

Quote from: jvegas on September 23, 2013, 05:57 PM
I get told 'why do you think about and look into it so deeply?'

*wipes tear* Oh bloody hell that's a good one. Need to remember it.

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #68 - September 23, 2013, 06:14 PM

Yeah got it. I cant skype but moving soon so I'll be able to. My dad, bless him has resorted to 'well anything is possible with god' when asked about the possibility of a 90 foot giant and talking ants.

I asked him and mum the question ' are all these people living 'free lives' as you put it bound for hell? If so what was the point in god creating them?' Met with anger hostility and exhortations to believe.

Ive made it clear, I didnt pick islam it isnt the path for me and im not playing the role of good muslim boy to appease anybody.

Don't read all those science books bro, you'll just get more confused.

That's funny. The more science I read, the less confused I get.
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Reply #69 - September 23, 2013, 06:16 PM

Lol see my PM reply and you'll see I was in a similar situation the other night.

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #70 - September 23, 2013, 06:22 PM

This is a question to ask. allah liked the jews, then cursed them. Allah deliberately misled the Christians into thinking Jesus was crucified. He's not really the most trustworthy. If I were a muslim I'd think "Hang on, he's already pulled this shit more than once, what if he's done it again?"

You could also ask why allah would deliberately make truth claims in the quran knowing full well eventually they would be proven wrong. Evolution is one example. Why say we were created from clay as we are when allah knew we'd discover this is false? Planetary orbit is another. Why say the sun orbits the Earth when he knew we'd figure out that's bullshit? What happens to the sun at night is another. Why say at night the sun prostrates itself under the throne of allah when he knew full well eventually we'd figure out this is bullshit and the sun doesn't actually go anywhere, that it's always day somewhere on the planet? There really is a long list. If allah is real, why would he put lies in the quran and claim them to be truths knowing ahead of time we'd realise they were lies and thus prove his own word wrong?

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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