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  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #90 - December 13, 2013, 12:46 PM

    The Prime Minister just said he disagrees with UniversitiesUK guidelines. What a result. Stand up and be counted, and you can make a difference  Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #91 - December 13, 2013, 03:23 PM

    UUK withdraws their guidelines following campaign

    http://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/dec/13/universities-uk-withdraws-advice-gender-segregation

    Well done Pariah and everyone involved in this. We won. The Islamists just got humiliated.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #92 - December 13, 2013, 03:26 PM

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    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
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    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #94 - December 13, 2013, 03:45 PM

    Good to hear, good work guys and gals
  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #95 - December 13, 2013, 03:47 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #96 - December 13, 2013, 05:07 PM

    Quote

    Education Secretary Michael Gove accused university bosses yesterday of ‘pandering to extremism’ by endorsing the compulsory segregation of audiences for campus visits by hard-line Islamic speakers.


    He said it was ‘a disgrace’ for Universities UK to support the policy of separating men from women at lectures and debates.


    Mr Gove told the Daily Mail: ‘We should not pander to extremism. Speakers who insist on segregating audiences should not be indulged by educators,

    ‘This guidance is wrong and harmful. Universities UK should withdraw it immediately.’


    Universities UK – an umbrella body representing university vice-chancellors –  caused further controversy yesterday, when its chief executive Nicola Dandridge said Muslim women were ‘comfortable’ being separated from men during talks by Islamic clerics on UK campuses.


    Commenting on BBC Radio, she said colleges must ‘respect’ the views of extremists who want segregation during lectures.


    ‘If people feel more comfortable about sitting separately, and that’s invariably the situation that will arise in these cases, then universities have to listen to those views,’ she added.

    ‘What is very uncomfortable about this argument is you are assuming that we have the right to impose views on participants. If the participants say this is  how they want it to be, it is not appropriate for us to disregard their views.’


    However, Universities UK was yesterday unable to provide any evidence that most Muslim women were happy to sit separately. And the pressure group Student Rights said the opposite was true, citing a 2008 YouGov poll which showed that nine out of ten Muslim students thought segregation was unacceptable.


    Female students and campaigners yesterday told the Mail they had been incensed when they arrived at events to find they had to sit separately. A report produced this week by Student Rights found that out of 180 visits by Islamic speakers to UK universities over a 12 month period, 46 lectures at 21 institutions have insisted on segregated audiences. Women were, in most cases, forced to enter the room from a separate door and to sit at the back.

    Some lectures barred women totally, making them watch proceedings from another room via a television feed.


    Rupert Sutton, of Student Rights – which monitors extremism on campuses – said: ‘Universities UK has decided the religious freedom of a radical speaker is more important than a woman’s rights to sit where she wants in a room.’


    Sara Khan, 33, founder of counter-extremism group Inspire, said: ‘By allowing gender segregation, Universities UK are complicit in the gender inequality being perpetuated by Islamic societies.


    ‘Universities UK delves into trying to tell us what constitutes Muslim religious belief implying that those opposed to segregation must be people from outside of the Islamic faith, not recognising that often it is Muslims themselves who oppose gender segregation.’


    The explosive report showing segregation at lectures across the country comes after a row in March over ‘forced segregation’ for an event at University College, London.


    An investigation was launched after students complained single women were made to sit at the back of the room for the debate – about Islam and atheism.


    The organisers claimed to have provided a mixed seating area for those objecting to segregation but students who were there said this did not happen.


    Dana Sondergaard, who attended the event, said: ‘After having been told the event would not be gender segregated, we arrived and were told that women were to sit in the back of the auditorium, while men and couples could file into the front.’ She said three people were thrown out for refusing to abide by the rules.

    A month later the University of Leicester also held an investigation, after a photograph emerged showing separate entrances to a lecture for men and women.


    Yesterday, Universities UK wrote to the Equality and Human Rights Commission for a definitive legal view. Critics said Universities UK was turning a blind eye to segregation to protect donations from Middle Eastern countries and to attract high fee-paying foreign students from the Persian Gulf.


    Abdurraheem Green of pressure group the Islamic Education and Research Academy said: ‘The idea of being forced to sit with people of the opposite sex might well lead many to avoid choosing this country to further their education.’


    A Government spokesman said: ‘We see no valid reason why men and women should be segregated simply to listen to a guest speaker.’

    46 EVENTS WITH MEN-ONLY SEATS

    Analysis carried out by anti-extremist group Student Rights found that over a 12-month period, 46 university events explicitly promoted separate seating for men and women or female-only events.


    Among those was an Islam v  Atheism debate held at University College London in March, at which students claimed security staff tried to move those who would not  comply.


    During the debate, organised by the Islamic Education and Research Academy, women were told to sit at the back of the room.


    At the University of Leicester,  separate entrances for ‘Brothers’ and ‘Sisters’ were in operation for the Islamic debate, ‘Does God Exist?’.


    A lecture called Dawah of the  Victorious, advertised by Metropolitan University’s Islamic Society, stated it would be ‘fully segregated’ in promotional material. And two events held at the University of Portsmouth during Islamic Awareness Week were promoted on Facebook stating ‘segregation will be provided to the best of our abilities’.


    Student Rights say gender segregation has occurred despite all 21  of the universities having equality and diversity policies in place.




    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2522925/Now-furious-Gove-says-disgrace-segregate-students-accuses-university-bosses-pandering-extremism.html

    Quite a few things jumped out at me there, one of which I'd like to ask about.
    Quote
    2008 YouGov poll which showed that nine out of ten Muslim students thought segregation was unacceptable


    Anyone know anything about this? Always good to have some proof to counter claims that "All muslims are so and so".

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #97 - December 13, 2013, 05:10 PM

    Quote
    Universities UK withdraws advice on gender segregation in lectures

    Body that represents higher education institutions says it is reviewing guidance after criticism from PM

    The body that represents UK universities has withdrawn guidance on the gender segregation of audiences in lectures and debates after the prime minister, David Cameron, said it should not be allowed to happen.

    Universities UK said a controversial case study setting out the guidance was being withdrawn while it reviewed its stance, but insisted the legal position remained unclear on whether the voluntary separation of men and women could be allowed at events such as lectures on Islam by visiting speakers.

    Cameron's spokesman had earlier said Universities UK should urgently review the guidance.

    His intervention followed comments by the education secretary, Michael Gove, who accused the body that represents universities of "pandering to extremists".

    Universities UK issued the guidance following a series of Islamic events at campuses at which male and female students had been separated.

    The prime minister's spokesman said: "There is an issue around speakers who are invited into universities. He doesn't think that guest speakers should be able to address segregated audiences and he thinks that Universities UK should urgently review its guidance.

    "There is an important issue around principle and possible risks around discrimination. I think [Cameron] feels very strongly about this."

    The spokesman made clear that the PM wanted a ban on gender-segregated audiences on campus even where men and women voluntarily separated themselves.

    He also stressed that the prime minister's views did not extend to places of worship such as mosques, synagogues or gurdwaras.

    The intervention comes the day after the education secretary said the guidance, which has also been branded not permissible by the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC), was a "disgrace".

    "We should not pander to extremism. Speakers who insist on segregating audiences should not be indulged by educators. This guidance is wrong and harmful. Universities UK should withdraw it immediately," Gove told the Daily Mail.

    On Thursday Universities UK, which represents more than 130 higher education institutions, said it was seeking a definitive legal view on the issue from the EHRC after its London headquarters were targeted by student protesters this week.

    The EHRC said it was involved in redrafting sections in guidance that said that Muslim and other groups were permitted to voluntarily segregate men and women at events. Its chief executive, Mark Hammond, told the Telegraph: "Equality law permits gender segregation in premises that are permanently or temporarily being used for the purposes of an organised religion where its doctrines require it.

    "However, in an academic meeting or in a lecture open to the public it is not, in the commission's view, permissible to segregate by gender."


    The document was aimed at covering the legal issues around hosting external speakers, including how to balance the right to free speech against other considerations.

    It took the example of an ultra-orthodox religious group invited to speak as part of a wider series of talks on faith, where the speaker requested the audience be segregated by gender. The guidance says that if, for example, women and men were seated separately side by side rather than men at the front and women at the back there would not necessarily be any gender inequality, and voluntary segregation could be permitted.

    Universities UK said it had sought an opinion from the senior barrister Fenella Morris QC, which concluded that the advice was "an appropriate foundation for lawful decision-making by universities".

    The guidance prompted widespread criticism and protests from students.

    A Universities UK spokesman said: "UUK's publication External Speakers in Higher Education aims to provide guidance to institutions in managing the process for inviting external speakers on to campus, both in terms of upholding principles of free speech and complying with the law.

    "It was produced with significant input from a range of organisations as well as extensive legal advice and reflected the Technical Guidance on Further and Higher Education issued by the Equality and Human Rights Commission.

    "Given the public concern in relation to a case study about gender segregation, we requested opinions from senior counsel Fenella Morris QC and from the EHRC. The advice from senior legal counsel confirms that our guidance is correct and provides an appropriate foundation for lawful decision-making.

    "For the avoidance of any doubt, we are not talking here about enforced segregation. It is very hard to see any university agreeing to a request for segregation that was not voluntary and did not have the broad support of those attending.

    "We are now working with senior legal counsel and the Equality and Human Rights Commission to review both our case study and the commission's guidance to ensure that they are consistent and clear for universities."

    Tahir Nasser, chairman of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Students' Association UK, which regularly organises lectures on Islam on university campuses, said the prime minister's views did not take into consideration the sensitivities of other communities.

    "I completely disagree with the forced segregation of students at universities. This is really a non-issue as Muslim women and men who feel more comfortable sitting next to people of the same gender are already able to do so. Their personal preference should not be imposed upon others who have a different preference," he said.

    "However, at the same time, those wishing to freely sit separately should be able to do so and their rights respected just as those of others are."



    http://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/dec/13/universities-uk-withdraws-advice-gender-segregation

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #98 - December 13, 2013, 06:04 PM

    The idiot spokeswoman for Universities UK went on Today to defend the policy and got eaten alive by Justin Webb. Webb then stated that they had tried to get ministers or opposition spokesmen to come on air to discuss the issue, but none would do so. Shadow minister Chukka Umunna must have been listening because he rang in and did an interview later in the show when he also criticised Universities UK.

    Got about 5 days left. Can some wonderful IT savvy member rip this so others can hear it like before? The segregation bit starts at 2 hours, 9 minutes and 54 seconds.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03kv0cj

    The topic comes up again at 2 hours, 45 minutes 15 seconds. Umunna rings in, gives his views.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #99 - December 14, 2013, 12:18 AM

    Hello? Wonderful IT savvy member?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #100 - December 14, 2013, 12:59 AM

    This brief discussion was hosted on Radio 4 between the iERA guy and Saira Khan (progressive Muslim woman) on Friday morning at commute time: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03kv6kx/Today_13_12_2013/?t=2h38m39s

     Afro

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #101 - December 14, 2013, 01:38 AM

    Quote
    A shameful case of apartheid in Britain

    We’ve learnt nothing from Nelson Mandela if we allow segregation of the sexes at our universities


    I almost thought the BBC went a wee bit overboard in its coverage of Nelson Mandela’s memorial service this week – they sent 120 people! But the distribution of chairs in our places of higher education (of all things) has made me reconsider. It would have been a good use of the licence fee, if the liberal Left in Britain had learnt anything at all from Mandela’s story. But those in charge of our universities appear to be completely deaf to what the man was trying to say.


    The reason we feel something close to awe about Mandela is down (I think) to the way he overcame the rage and despair that would be the cell-mates of most long-term prisoners. Somehow he put that to one side, to build a “rainbow” nation. We don’t need to look at his successors as South African president to lament the gap between that dream and the stained reality. In Britain, “Universities UK” (the rebranded committee of principals and vice-chancellors) has given succour to injustice-merchants whose politics are just as wicked as those who devised race-based apartheid.


    Because whatever the adjective in front of the noun, forcible segregation is unjust. Whether you keep blacks from whites or Jews from gentiles – or women from men – then you are tolerating apartheid. Apartheid, n: A policy or practice of separating or segregating groups.


    If religious obsessives visit our campuses and request gender-based segregation then it’s not time to mince words. Such practice is alien to the British way of life, and intolerable. By extension, to let such views pass unopposed – to support them by omission – is to commit the secondary sin. Which comes first? The outrageously un-British practice? Or the liberal fools who encourage it?


    “We’re just promoting tolerance of those who wish to be segregated.” My response to that is unprintable in The Daily Telegraph. If you come to my house and I ask you to remove your shoes, would you refuse to comply? Would you like to be the young woman on campus who stands up, alone in a room of bearded men, to declare her desire not to take her seat in the female-only enclosure?

    It is the more disgusting that Universities UK attempted to defend its decision on the basis of equality. When segregating women, the report urges, don’t shove them to the back of the room (oh, that you were with us now, Rosa Parks). That would be discriminatory, and you could fall foul of some statute or other.

    No, the trick to a smooth cordoning-off exercise lies in pretending that the second-class status you bestow on every female is actually a badge of equality. I am not making this up. The report says: “Assuming the side-by-side segregated seating arrangement is adopted, there does not appear to be any discrimination on gender grounds merely by imposing segregated seating. Both men and women are being treated equally, as they are both being segregated in the same way.”

    It’s the doublethink, the weaselly “inequality-equals-equality” guff that makes you sick. Even the “Equality and Human Rights Commission” (thank God we’ve got one of those! Because none of this is the predictable outcome of the Left’s obsession with identity politics, is it?) has suggested that the advice may be illegal. They’re now “working” with Universities UK to revise the segregation guidance.

    But it’s not the New Labour-ish discussion of legal inequalities that bothers me: it’s the despair that creatures exist in British public life capable of writing such moronic “guidance” in the first place. By telling women “You are not fit to sit next to men” (and by tolerating that practice, you are saying it, even if you prefer to look the other way), you are not treating men and women as equal beings in any important sense, other than in the fatuous one that the insult, and its imposition of anti-British religiosity, is applied to both genders.

    Thus the endpoint of Labour’s equality fixation: medieval Islamism can be imposed on public spaces, and that’s fine, so long as it’s imposed on us all equally. This is how we help those British Muslims who risk everything to fight against the extremists? By saying: “You know, they’ve got a point. Now go and sit over there, in the Muslim-only section.”

    Am I over-reacting? In a statement, Universities UK says: “It is for example very hard to see any university agreeing to a request for segregation that was not voluntary and did not have the broad support of those attending.” Is it really “hard to see” these requests being granted? Some of our most prestigious institutions have already acceded to such requests. (Who will measure the “broad support”, by the way? Your betters, no doubt.)

    Let this stand, and why stop at permitting Islamic extremists to control public meetings? Liberals are fond of prioritising their rational, logical reasoning over the Tory’s preference for accumulated British instinct: so if this segregation is permitted, why would the practice not be extended to lecture theatres? To GP surgeries? To cinemas and restaurants?

    You woke up in Britain – the mother of parliaments, Magna Carta, freedom of conscience; how we like to remember our glory days, don’t we, lest we lament the gap between our own dreams and the downtrodden reality. You read about Universities UK and think: imagine if those people had been in charge of apartheid-era South Africa. And then you wonder: how in God’s name did we let them take charge of us?



    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/10516098/A-shameful-case-of-apartheid-in-Britain.html

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #102 - December 14, 2013, 02:18 AM

    This brief discussion was hosted on Radio 4 between the iERA guy and Saira Khan (progressive Muslim woman) on Friday morning at commute time: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03kv6kx/Today_13_12_2013/?t=2h38m39s

     Afro


    She is very good  Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #103 - December 14, 2013, 08:40 AM

    This is really good news. Well done to all who demonstrated and publicly voiced their opinions and support!

  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #104 - December 14, 2013, 10:50 AM

    This brief discussion was hosted on Radio 4 between the iERA guy and Saira Khan (progressive Muslim woman) on Friday morning at commute time:


    Thanks - apparently radio broadcasts are accessible outside Britain Smiley

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  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #105 - December 14, 2013, 11:25 AM

    This brief discussion was hosted on Radio 4 between the iERA guy and Saira Khan (progressive Muslim woman) on Friday morning at commute time: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03kv6kx/Today_13_12_2013/?t=2h38m39s

     Afro


    She was brilliant and it was very refreshing to hear her views. We need more people like her taking back control of such discussions because they are always dominated by groups like iERA that claim to speak for every muslim as if it is one homogeneous group.

  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #106 - December 14, 2013, 01:42 PM

    This is all so awesome! Amazing to realise that if you protest and persevere you will be heard! Maryam and Chris have been very busy doing interviews here and there.  Watch this awesome video where Maryam Namazie is talking about the issue against Dr Nazreen Nawaz, a media rep for HT. So so weird watching this same HT sister I knew so well to now debate with Maryam, lol.

    http://bcove.me/tjnh8wa3

    Incidentally they are both debating again on this on BBC World Radio right now.



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  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #107 - December 14, 2013, 01:53 PM

    Think I missed the radio bit,

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #108 - December 14, 2013, 02:07 PM

    Quote


    You've just been Snowed. Cool

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #109 - December 14, 2013, 02:24 PM

    This is all so awesome! Amazing to realise that if you protest and persevere you will be heard! Maryam and Chris have been very busy doing interviews here and there.  Watch this awesome video where Maryam Namazie is talking about the issue against Dr Nazreen Nawaz, a media rep for HT. So so weird watching this same HT sister I knew so well to now debate with Maryam, lol.

    http://bcove.me/tjnh8wa3

    That Channel 4 news debate was great!  Maryam Namazie in top form as always.   Afro

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #110 - December 14, 2013, 03:15 PM

    UUK withdraws their guidelines following campaign

    http://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/dec/13/universities-uk-withdraws-advice-gender-segregation

    Well done Pariah and everyone involved in this. We won. The Islamists just got humiliated.


    Thanks for the good news, and everyone's efforts!

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #111 - December 14, 2013, 07:13 PM

    Hello? Wonderful IT savvy member?


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #112 - December 17, 2013, 05:21 AM

    Kudos to David Cameron for talking some sense into Universities UK.

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #113 - December 20, 2013, 07:24 PM

    There was a piece this morning on BBC Radio 4 - Today programme covering both the segregation issue and the Jesus and Mo T-shirts issue.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03ktz01/Today_11_12_2013/?t=1h35m00s

    Much kudos to the people who featured on this programme. Afro

    Edit: Audio report separately available here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-25331877

    Not about the segregation issue but the Jesus-and-Mo t-shirts issue: Victory for freedom of speech at universities!
    Students win LSE apology over T-shirt ban

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #114 - December 20, 2013, 08:45 PM

    Quote
    Prof Kelly added that in the UK there was no US-style First Amendment guaranteeing freedom of speech "without qualification".

     


    Legislators should do something about that problem.  Is there any possibility CEMB can work to petition politicians to submit a bill to implement something like the U.S. first amendment or the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (a bill of rights in the Canadian Constitution) which includes "Freedom of Expression".


    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #115 - December 21, 2013, 01:36 PM

    Go for the Canada version and Canadian Human Rights Act. The US is in the middle of a huge religion vs same-sex battle. People can be denied service if a owner of a business holds a religious view on the customers sexual orientation. An owner can not do this in Canada. If one's religion views restrict their business service or availability the owner either has to follow the law, sell or close the business. No discrimination is allowed by virtue of it being a religious view.
  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #116 - December 21, 2013, 06:20 PM

    Universities should be places where young students develop and flourish. You can't truly do that properly if you decide to separate yourself from the opposite sex. Extremists really do have such a silly, backwards mentality. Even in muslim nations where gender segregation is strictly enforced or encouraged , young people still mix and get together in secret whether these idiots like it or not.
    I accept IERA's freedom/right to express/manifest & enforce their religious belief in an environment or place/space where everyone is of the same inclination but to try to enforce it in a UK University where non muslims will be attending (i.e. a debate on Islam vs Atheism) is simply not acceptable. Glad to see protest has resulted in a change in stance from the University body.

    When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood by its nature is bound to perish.
  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #117 - December 21, 2013, 06:47 PM


    What a great article! Sums up all the important points.
  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #118 - December 23, 2013, 11:32 AM

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/maryamnamazie/2013/12/22/gender-apartheid-is-an-islamist-demand/

    Maryam Namazie put it very well in her blog.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Rescind endorsement of sex segregation at UK universities!
     Reply #119 - January 13, 2014, 12:22 PM

    The situation is very serious in England, muslims have not all theses avantages in France and it's not tomorrow that they can get this kind of avantage. Yet they can applicate shariah.... You are in a very bad situation in England.
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