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  • Islam's Female Warriors
     OP - December 30, 2013, 03:14 AM
    http://web.youngmuslims.ca/online_library/books/the_lawful_and_prohibition_in_islam/ch3s1p10.htm
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    From all this we know that Islam does not require, as some people claim, that a woman should remain confined to her house until death takes her out to her grave. On the contrary, she may go out for salat, for her studies, and for her other lawful needs, both religious and secular, as was customary among the women of the families of the Companions and the women of later generations. Moreover, this early period of Islam is considered by all Muslims to be the best and most exemplary period in the history of Islam. Among the women of this time were those who took part in battles in the company of the Prophet himself (peace be on him), and after that under the caliphs and their commanders.


    Personally, I was never taught about the women that supposedly did battle with the prophet or his generals. Are there any hadiths or Quranic verses that explicitly allow women to have an active role in warfare? Are there any that even mention these women that fought during that time? Were they warriors or did they just tend to the wounded, meals, and other "needs" of the army?
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  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #1 - December 30, 2013, 03:39 AM
    Yeah, I only started hearing about them in the last few years. This is a blog post about it from a Muslim woman if you're interested in reading more: http://thefatalfeminist.com/2011/08/21/islamic-history-and-the-women-you-never-hear-about-female-warriors/

    Don't remember if she listed any hadithes though. Haven't read it in a while.
    "so now, if you leave (Allahu A?lam is you already have) what will u do??? go out and show ur body to all the men??? sleep with countless men?? maashaAllah if you think think this is freedom or womens right then may Allah guide you to that which is correct."
  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #2 - December 30, 2013, 03:52 AM
    Interesting! I am following this blog just because and bookmarking that post. I don't see where she cites any sources, I just scanned the article, and this quote makes me roll my eyes "and as they and steal the rightful power given to us by God."  Overall though, those statements that she makes about women and their roles in war interest me a lot.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

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  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #3 - December 30, 2013, 04:04 AM
    Yep, they are interesting, aren't they? Never heard about them before I visited her blog. I used to read through it back when I was a Muslim, trying desperately to find those so-called "rights" Islam gave us.
    "so now, if you leave (Allahu A?lam is you already have) what will u do??? go out and show ur body to all the men??? sleep with countless men?? maashaAllah if you think think this is freedom or womens right then may Allah guide you to that which is correct."
  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #4 - December 30, 2013, 04:26 AM
    I can understand that. Might have to do my own research on the validity of her claims.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

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  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #5 - December 30, 2013, 04:37 AM
    Bit surprised neither of you have heard of them. One of the funniest was Aisha (I believe) who tricked a jew into thinking there were men behind her, chased him and hacked his head off.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #6 - December 30, 2013, 04:43 AM
     Shocked

    I've never heard of that before! Jeez, I only learned about Aisha's marriage and a little bit about her opposition to Ali as calipha (I think? Can't remember.)
    "so now, if you leave (Allahu A?lam is you already have) what will u do??? go out and show ur body to all the men??? sleep with countless men?? maashaAllah if you think think this is freedom or womens right then may Allah guide you to that which is correct."
  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #7 - December 30, 2013, 04:52 AM
    I'm pretty sure you can find a hadith to justify anything, just like you can with the endless fatwas that are being churned out.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #8 - December 30, 2013, 05:12 AM
    Good thread good stuff here.. so we have only two links so far.. one from movingfeet
    Quote from: movingfeet on December 30, 2013, 03:14 AM
    http://web.youngmuslims.ca/online_library/books/the_lawful_and_prohibition_in_islam/ch3s1p10.htm

    and other one from from Ex Hijabi
    Quote from: Ex Hijabi on December 30, 2013, 03:39 AM
    http://thefatalfeminist.com/2011/08/21/islamic-history-and-the-women-you-never-hear-about-female-warriors/


     we need more lot more of such links.,  And QSE says
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on December 30, 2013, 04:52 AM
    I'm pretty sure you can find a hadith to justify anything, just like you can with the endless fatwas that are being churned out.

    well QSE., the endless fatwas of Islam are different from Hadith time line  and the statements in hadith literature.  They are are limited to "Companions of Prophet of Islam" where as fatwas you can do it and I can do it, The only  rule is that you have to be a Male and Muslim., If you are not Muslim take that shahada and talk some nonsense in a Mosque congregation,   after that you can start issuing  those endless fatwas .

    Any ways,  the goal in this thread should be getting proper names of women folk in early Islam and stories about them/around them.  I am sure plenty of new converts in  Islam specially women folks from west can write all sorts of early Islamic heroine harry potter  stories. And I think  that  fatal feminist_Nahida is one of them from US of A..

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    Nahida writes novels she never finishes, shorter creative pieces, and bad poetry. She has interests in Islam, feminism, philosophy, astronomy, neurology, and daydreaming, and lives by the San Andreas Fault

    no doubt she is smart and intelligent but she can not see that San Andreas Fault in Islam In any case it is vital to gather more information on this very important historical  issue of  early Islam.
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #9 - December 30, 2013, 05:34 AM
    Agreed.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

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  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #10 - December 30, 2013, 05:53 AM
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    Women Scholars of hadith

    Chronology of Early Scholars of Islam  ... Shia Islamic site

    Companions of the Prophet

    Female Sahabi Names

    Ideals and Role Models for Women in Qur’an, Hadith and Sirah

    Women in Muslim Civilization

    The Role of Women in Preserving Islamic Scholarship

    list of books on Islamic studies


    well we will add more links here but some 10 years back  i was interested in that subject  because of some personal reasons  And I failed miserably at that time
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #11 - December 30, 2013, 06:01 AM
    intriguing thread that you linked to.. a lot to read up on, but I will gradually, thank you
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #12 - December 30, 2013, 06:30 AM
    Quote from: movingfeet on December 30, 2013, 06:01 AM
    intriguing thread that you linked to.. a lot to read up on, but I will gradually, thank you

    which one?? Rascal.. that  vagabond ...lol.

    well this is interesting to brains wash little girls..

    Great Women of Islam at the Time of the Prophet (pbuh) DVD Animated Story of Islam



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    Product description:

    Great Women of Islam is one of the series that turns the spotlight onto the outstanding women around the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). This is a film about timely revelations and tiny revolutions, as we witness the momentous events that influenced the role of women in Islam and the women who were behind them. Here we meet two women who embodied the spirit of faith and courage during the Prophet's time: Nusaybah Bint Ka'ab (Umm Amarah) Al-Ansariyyah and Asma' Bint Abi Bakr As-Siddiq. Their stories are examples of the empowering quality of the message of the Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.), as we witness their bravery in the face of the ruling Quraysh through their unwavering dedication to the young faith. Their stories serve to demonstrate that every person has a role to play in forming a good and just society, and that no effort is too small, no heart too weak (or old, or corrupt!), and no task too daunting. These inspiring women were honored and revered by the Prophet himself - a testament to the equality and importance of women in Islam, and they deserve to be remembered as role models, today and always.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5nXGKfjTCs#t=61

    and little tube from it to brain wash kids,  so kids force  parents  to buy that dvd
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #13 - December 30, 2013, 07:02 AM
     Cheesy jeez, that's a terrible trailer. Love that they made the first woman seem like a victim for being captured even though Muslims captured women all the time. But if they're not Muslims, they don't matter, right?
    "so now, if you leave (Allahu A?lam is you already have) what will u do??? go out and show ur body to all the men??? sleep with countless men?? maashaAllah if you think think this is freedom or womens right then may Allah guide you to that which is correct."
  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #14 - December 30, 2013, 09:22 AM
    With the amount of research provided and lack of any real evidence other than hopeful thinking, I am inclined to think that these types of women never existed in Islam.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #15 - December 30, 2013, 10:55 AM
    Ultimately, it is about the LAWFUL NEEDS and nothing else! If women had joined Muhammad's army that would have assured higher chances of victory. Very LAWFUL for women and very NEED for Muhammad.
  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #16 - December 30, 2013, 12:12 PM
    Series Byzantium discusses 19th century Ottoman Emperors and their needs!  Including one who searched the empire for the largest woman - and found an Armenian!
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #17 - December 30, 2013, 02:19 PM
    Quote from: movingfeet on December 30, 2013, 09:22 AM
    With the amount of research provided and lack of any real evidence other than hopeful thinking, I am inclined to think that these types of women never existed in Islam.


    Same.  I think it's all a desperate attempt to appeal to the modern muslimah who has been influenced by feminism Grin

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #18 - December 30, 2013, 02:21 PM


  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #19 - December 30, 2013, 04:47 PM
    By that the woman had meant that she is the queen of her household and heaven, and hence can do anything there, except she can't go above her husband. It reminds me of the way the science teachers here used to say a certain definition, like "Inertia is nothing but a property of matter...."
  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #20 - December 31, 2013, 04:41 AM
    All very good responses. Sad state of affairs that these women find themselves in.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #21 - December 31, 2013, 02:34 PM
    I had the same reactions as any other female convert. I believed all the hype, and then when it got crowded out by endless overt and covert encouragements to  "OBEY!" and stop being a person, it didn't seem as if the stories were real any more.
    A very long time ago I read that much of the stories of how bad things were in Jahaliyya were created intentionally, to make Islam look wonderful in comparison. It would be interesting if this "Real Muslim Women Warriors" stuff were apologist. 
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #22 - December 31, 2013, 03:01 PM
    Thinking it was. Most likely by wishful women.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #23 - December 31, 2013, 04:21 PM
    I think the worst was the first Muslim martyr, that woman who was gruesomely impaled through her private parts by a spear.
    As if sacrificing your survival instincts and your life were a good and noble thing to do for a cause. Preservation of life is more sacred, isn't it? Can't you do more for a cause while alive? Why does death give more to it than life?
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #24 - December 31, 2013, 04:25 PM
    Quote from: three on December 31, 2013, 04:21 PM
    I think the worst was the first Muslim martyr, that woman who was gruesomely impaled through her private parts by a spear.
    ..................

    three.. dear three.,   

    who was that? what was her name?  where is the link and where is hadith and where is the story??
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #25 - December 31, 2013, 04:28 PM
    Quote from: three on December 31, 2013, 04:21 PM
    I think the worst was the first Muslim martyr, that woman who was gruesomely impaled through her private parts by a spear.
    As if sacrificing your survival instincts and your life were a good and noble thing to do for a cause. Preservation of life is more sacred, isn't it? Can't you do more for a cause while alive? Why does death give more to it than life?



    Usually because your death inspires others to stand up and act out for their rights or wants. Most of the time, what stops people is fear of death or being harmed. So, seeing someone that believes in their cause enough to risk death is inspiring to people.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #26 - December 31, 2013, 04:39 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on December 31, 2013, 04:25 PM
    three.. dear three.,   

    who was that? what was her name?  where is the link and where is hadith and where is the story??


    Sumayyah.

    http://www.islambasics.com/view.php?bkID=176&chapter=16

    Sorry. Here I always just assume everyone knows all this stuff.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #27 - December 31, 2013, 04:40 PM
    Quote from: movingfeet on December 31, 2013, 04:28 PM
    Usually because your death inspires others to stand up and act out for their rights or wants. Most of the time, what stops people is fear of death or being harmed. So, seeing someone that believes in their cause enough to risk death is inspiring to people.


    I wish we would get over it. That might help keep suicide bombings down.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #28 - December 31, 2013, 05:01 PM
    Quote from: three on December 31, 2013, 04:39 PM
    Sumayyah.

    http://www.islambasics.com/view.php?bkID=176&chapter=16

    Sorry. Here I always just assume everyone knows all this stuff.

     no..no.noooo., every one who read CEMB and who may have been Muslims do not know many stories including the story told by Muslims folks on Sumaya bint Khabbat

    So three do you have any idea. when it happened why it happened IF IT HAPPENED?  do you know any hadith on that story??

    well don't worry about it  three.. I will tell you the stories..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Islam's Female Warriors
     Reply #29 - December 31, 2013, 05:19 PM
    I just read books on the Sahaba, during my time as Muslim. The sources were listed in the back, so I do not remember the Hadith regarding it.
    I am fine with you telling the stories, I like your stories.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
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