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  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     OP - January 31, 2014, 07:53 PM
    Debate organised by Muslim apologists yields surprising results

    On Tuesday 26th an Islamic conference organised by Muslim apologists Adam Deen and Myriam Francois Cerrah of the Deen Institute has surprised both experts and laymen alike by declaring that ‘there is no misogyny in Islam.’

    ‘When I went into the conference I wasn’t expecting the Muslims to be so honest’, says Ghulam Sarwar, a 19 year old medic student who attended the event, ‘I thought that I would observe the right wing polemic of islamophobes and diatribes that seek to defame anything and everything connected to Islam. However, to hear Muslim apologists debate on the issue of women’s place in Islam and conclude that no other faith holds women in as high a regard as Islam does is reassuring and refreshing to hear. I would never have expected that in a million years.’

    Full report: http://jediapostate.blogspot.co.uk/

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #1 - January 31, 2014, 08:42 PM
     "So Miriam can you answer, do you believe in stoning or not in accordance with shariah law?"



    "uhmmm... we live in Britain so that is not relevant"


    Honestly, I really hate her and women (in particular women!) like her. They are their and other women's worst enemy.
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #2 - January 31, 2014, 09:53 PM
    Muslim women are pitiful.
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #3 - January 31, 2014, 11:55 PM
    "The point is not that women are legally equal to men, but that they are spiritually equal to men. And at the end of the day, isn’t that what really matters?"

    Religious apologia at its best. This woman has absolutely no idea exactly how much she is demeaning herself in her pursuit to defend Islam. And I don’t mean to say this rhetorically or ironically. She literally has no idea. It’s like when Christians boast about being the "flock" and Jesus being their "shepherd" or when Muslims gloat about being submissive slaves to Allah, and this is said with spirit and enthusiasm.  Huh?
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #4 - February 01, 2014, 01:42 AM
    good stuff Jedi, the meteorite one is hilarious
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #5 - February 01, 2014, 03:09 AM
    Quote from: Minimow on January 31, 2014, 11:55 PM
    "The point is not that women are legally equal to men, but that they are spiritually equal to men. And at the end of the day, isn’t that what really matters?"

    Religious apologia at its best. This woman has absolutely no idea exactly how much she is demeaning herself in her pursuit to defend Islam. And I don’t mean to say this rhetorically or ironically. She literally has no idea. It’s like when Christians boast about being the "flock" and Jesus being their "shepherd" or when Muslims gloat about being submissive slaves to Allah, and this is said with spirit and enthusiasm.  Huh?


    I had a "Progressive" tell me (she works in finance) that because this verse is about a specific part of financial law where you need a knowledgeable witness familiar with financial law (women do not qualify, because they are not working in finance-does anyone else see the irony, here?), that is the only place it applies. It applies to nothing else, and no longer is relevant, anyway, because times have changed (including finance, or law, or witnessing, apparently, which is greatly improved since this intricate detail of finance law involving futures and math formulas vastly beyond women's experience was laid out in the Quran-is there more irony, here?).
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #6 - February 01, 2014, 03:13 AM
    I appreciated the point about hitting Aisha in the chest. I have been told that it does not count as a beating, because Aisha was so small, she was probably oversensitive, and everyone knows the Prophet never beat any of his wives.
    This is where I want to rap people on the skull, peer into their eyes, yell "hello?" and find out if anyone is really home.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #7 - February 01, 2014, 03:21 AM
    Quote from: three on February 01, 2014, 03:13 AM
    I want to rap people on the skull, peer into their eyes, yell "hello?" and find out if anyone is really home.


    Took the words right out of my mouth.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #8 - February 01, 2014, 10:35 AM
    Quote from: Cornflower on January 31, 2014, 08:42 PM


    "uhmmm... we live in Britain so that is not relevant"




    I hate this response, I remember asking a high profile dawah personality about concubines when I first became Muslim and "we live in Britain, and there's no such thing as slaves anymore so its not relevant" was the answer, BUT ISLAM SAYS ITS PERMISSIBLE!!!! If Islam was to take over the world as it says it will, would there be slaves again "that's not the case, so its irrelevant" SHUT UP!!!

    But to be fair on Miriam, she's quite "modern" with her views, I went to a ladies event thing not too long ago where she was speaking and encouraging women to be independent, and one of the other guests to take the stage said something along the lines of "That was a lovely speech but remember that Allah told us to obey our husbands khalas" lol then they had a little live disagreement.
    "Make anyone believe their own knowledge and logic is insufficient and you'll have a puppet susceptible to manipulation."
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #9 - February 01, 2014, 10:37 AM
    Miriam has modern view contrary to the very faith and core values that she constantly defends. She is an idiot.
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #10 - February 01, 2014, 10:46 AM
    Quote from: Jibbs on February 01, 2014, 10:35 AM
    I hate this response, I remember asking a high profile dawah personality about concubines when I first became Muslim and "we live in Britain, and there's no such thing as slaves anymore so its not relevant" was the answer, BUT ISLAM SAYS ITS PERMISSIBLE!!!! If Islam was to take over the world as it says it will, would there be slaves again "that's not the case, so its irrelevant" SHUT UP!!!

    But to be fair on Miriam, she's quite "modern" with her views, I went to a ladies event thing not too long ago where she was speaking and encouraging women to be independent, and one of the other guests to take the stage said something along the lines of "That was a lovely speech but remember that Allah told us to obey our husbands khalas" lol then they had a little live disagreement.

    That is because a husband is a Majazi khuda=god in earthly form
     
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #11 - February 01, 2014, 10:50 AM
    True, in that case what do you think of Maajid Nawaz lol, there must be a thread on here about the hype he's had recently. I guess the modernist are trying to do what the Christians have done, because at the core, it has very similar values to Islam, but Christians use modern knowledge and values to not look at Christianity as literal and as more of a spiritual avenue.
    "Make anyone believe their own knowledge and logic is insufficient and you'll have a puppet susceptible to manipulation."
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #12 - February 01, 2014, 10:57 AM
    Some people are weak and feeble minded. They feel the need to "modernize" something they already know deep down inside is a sham so that they can feel better about themselves. Realization that they've lived a lie is too much to take.

    Sorry for being in a judgmental period of my life, but this is how I feel right now. I hate all those "modernists" and "progressives", even more so than the Islamist and fundamentalists.
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #13 - February 01, 2014, 01:00 PM
    Quote from: Cornflower on February 01, 2014, 10:37 AM
    Miriam has modern view contrary to the very faith and core values that she constantly defends. She is an idiot.


    Her modern values do not stem from Islam but her Western upbringing and education. That she converted and thus had a secular, liberal foundation is another reason for why she has relatively enlightened views. Had she been born and bred in the SAND LANDS however....

    I would pay these liberal apologists to DEBATE shaykhs and mullahs from Pakistan and Saudi. Why are you telling us that Muslim women are liberated? We don't need to hear it....THEY, over THERE, do!
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #14 - February 01, 2014, 01:06 PM
    Yes please!!! Can't we convince Miriam to debate a real shaykh or mullah, even a female "scholar" (if they are even recognized like that). Let's see how "Islamic" her views really are in light of actual textual evidence Roll Eyes
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #15 - February 01, 2014, 01:13 PM
    Quote from: Jedi on January 31, 2014, 07:53 PM
    Debate organised by Muslim apologists yields surprising results
    .........

    Full report: http://jediapostate.blogspot.co.uk/

    jedi reports are deadly and aim to hit below the belt..

    "Can Muslims Escape Misogyny?"

    And the  tube is 5hrs..  That is all Momins.   Ouffff  That is a 5hr tube.. 5HOURS..   Let me pull out some nuggets from them..

    well that bottom line from many momins in that tube  appears  to be that 90% of Muslim folks donot read Quran and hadith and few of those who read it  read it "OUT OF CONTEXT"
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #16 - February 01, 2014, 01:23 PM
    I can't even watch the video, it's all idiocy. "Can't attain divorce, autonomy blah blah blah". Yeah because traditional Islamic texts state that women do not have those rights from allah....  mysmilie_977
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #17 - February 01, 2014, 01:33 PM
    Quote from: Cornflower on February 01, 2014, 01:23 PM
    I can't even watch the video, ............  mysmilie_977

    I too can not spend 5hrs watching that video Cornflower ..  But I will some time later to expose the inconsistency and inconsideration   of their Islamic ideology from their own words..  So  let me watch American Government Official on Islam.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbcSUPwmBkM

    Quote
    Farah Pandith (Kashmiri: फ़राह पंडित) (born on January 13, 1968 in Srinagar,[1] Jammu & Kashmir, India) is the first ever  Special Representative to Muslim Communities for the United States Department of State.  She was appointed to this position on June 23, 2009 by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton,  and sworn in by Secretary Clinton at a ceremony at the State Department on September 15, 2009.

    Pandith is an American Muslim born in India [b]who immigrated with her mother[/b] to Massachusetts on July 4, 1969. Prior to her current appointment, she was Senior Advisor to the Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs at the U.S. Department of State.  This role was created for the first time in U.S. history. Pandith was responsible for engaging with Muslim communities in Europe.

    From 2004 to 2007 Pandith worked at the National Security Council at the White House under Elliott Abrams covering a portfolio that included "Muslim engagement," countering violent extremism, and The Broader Middle East North Africa Initiative.  She worked at the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) from 2003 to 2004. She lived in Kabul, Afghanistan in the Spring of 2004. Before coming to government, Pandith was Vice President of International Business for ML Strategies, LLC, in Boston, Massachusetts.  Prior to graduate school, she worked at USAID from 1990 to 1993

    Hmmmm..,    I guess  Farah Pandit forgot her father....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKT63IxK_4c

    well let me watch that along with Miss Pandit
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #18 - February 01, 2014, 04:15 PM
    Quote from: Cornflower on February 01, 2014, 10:57 AM
    Sorry for being in a judgmental period of my life, but this is how I feel right now. I hate all those "modernists" and "progressives", even more so than the Islamist and fundamentalists.


    No need to apologise,  for some reason they nnoy me the most too, ppl who don't agree with its values yet propagate it as the best thing since sliced bread, well follow it then if its perfect, you bloody numpty!!
    Since I still occasionally wear a scarf I probably come across as this type of individual.
    "Make anyone believe their own knowledge and logic is insufficient and you'll have a puppet susceptible to manipulation."
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #19 - February 01, 2014, 04:26 PM
    Quote from: Jibbs on February 01, 2014, 04:15 PM
    No need to apologise, ...
     
    Since I still occasionally wear a scarf I probably come across as this type of individual.

    yap..  hit them all and HIT THEM HARD ON INTERNET WITHOUT ANY APOLOGY..

    And   and Jibbs  & others  please be careful with those scarfs.,  That last week bad news  on scarf  & Escalator from Canada highlights the deadly  tragedies  some women folks  fall in to for no fault of theirs because this combination of  silly religious dress codes and modern busy life styles.
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #20 - February 01, 2014, 04:47 PM
    Quote from: Cornflower on February 01, 2014, 01:06 PM
    Yes please!!! Can't we convince Miriam to debate a real shaykh or mullah, even a female "scholar" (if they are even recognized like that). Let's see how "Islamic" her views really are in light of actual textual evidence Roll Eyes


    Hey progressives debate these FOOLS:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFgsLaEdTTg

    I love the passion of the old woman in this tube (note that she doesn't deny the texts/hadiths):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUvrHsPaTSo

    Zakir Naik on the best schoalrs of Islam(when did Aishah become an expert of mathematics and Arab history/geneology?):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLe3iqfmApY








    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #21 - February 01, 2014, 04:58 PM
    Quote from: Jedi on February 01, 2014, 04:47 PM
    Hey progressives debate these FOOLS:  


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFgsLaEdTTg


    what the hell.. THAT IS A BIG BABOON ..

    Where is he from Jedi .  Is that the  same guy you see at this link? https://ta-in.facebook.com/Imam.MSQ

    What part of India that language comes from? Is it that Kerala

    Chief Imam, Makkah Masjid:   , Chennai.Founder Chairman, Azhagiya Kadan Arakkattalai, Azhagiya Kadan IAS Academy.Chairman, Makkah Masjid Shariath Council

    Quote
    Born   April 12, 1969
    Location   822 anna salai, Chennai, Tamil Nadu 600002
    Affiliation   Makkah Masjid and Islamic Center
    Hours   
    Mon - Sat: 5:00 pm - 9:00 pm
    Gender   Male
    Contact Info
    Email   chiefimam@makkamasjid.com
    Website   http://www.makkamasjid.com

    never mind Madarasee.....
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #22 - February 01, 2014, 05:20 PM
    An Austrian woman who was raped in Dubai has been arrested for having extra martial sex and was told by police she could only avoid jail if she married her attacker.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2549707/Austrian-rape-victim-arrested-having-sex-outside-marriage-UAE-reported-crime-told-MARRY-attacker.html
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #23 - February 01, 2014, 06:24 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 01, 2014, 04:58 PM

    what the hell.. THAT IS A BIG BABOON ..

    Where is he from Jedi .  Is that the  same guy you see at this link? https://ta-in.facebook.com/Imam.MSQ


    Nahi yaaar,

    He speaks Urdu doesn't he? I understand him perfectly.

    What a stupid baboon he is. I don't think they are the same person, but when these BABOONS open their mouths and speak THEY ALL SOUND THE SAME.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #24 - February 01, 2014, 06:25 PM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on February 01, 2014, 05:20 PM
    An Austrian woman who was raped in Dubai has been arrested for having extra martial sex and was told by police she could only avoid jail if she married her attacker.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2549707/Austrian-rape-victim-arrested-having-sex-outside-marriage-UAE-reported-crime-told-MARRY-attacker.html


    Blood. Boiling.
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #25 - February 01, 2014, 06:57 PM
    Quote from: Jedi on February 01, 2014, 06:24 PM
    Nahi yaaar,

    He speaks Urdu doesn't he? I understand him perfectly.

    What a stupid baboon he is. I don't think they are the same person, but when these BABOONS open their mouths and speak THEY ALL SOUND THE SAME.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLT7K08tgag

    You are right as far as Urdu is concerned , But look at the above  bearded bum., Not sure what he is saying  but that is the link i put out.. they both look same  to me..  YAP.,  THEY ALL LOOK SAME and THEY ALL SOUND THE SAME irrespective of the  place they come from
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #26 - February 01, 2014, 07:05 PM
    Seems to be either Bengali or some Indian dialect (Tamil?)
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #27 - February 01, 2014, 08:48 PM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on February 01, 2014, 05:20 PM
    An Austrian woman who was raped in Dubai has been arrested for having extra martial sex and was told by police she could only avoid jail if she married her attacker.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2549707/Austrian-rape-victim-arrested-having-sex-outside-marriage-UAE-reported-crime-told-MARRY-attacker.html


    Isn't this the second time in a few months? I have seen drunken foreigners in Abu Dhabi. Not a pretty sight.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #28 - February 01, 2014, 10:04 PM
    Quote from: Cornflower on January 31, 2014, 08:42 PM
    "So Miriam can you answer, do you believe in stoning or not in accordance with shariah law?"

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    "uhmmm... we live in Britain so that is not relevant"


    Honestly, I really hate her and women (in particular women!) like her. They are their and other women's worst enemy.


    Please, reword it to heavy dislike Smiley
    Hate is bad.
    I ask many stupid questions frequently.
    I am curious, that's why I ask many questions.
    I am overly curious, that's why I ask stupid questions.
    I lack patience, that's why I ask frequently.
    So forgive me and answer me Smiley
  • Can Muslims Escape Misogyny Report
     Reply #29 - February 01, 2014, 10:57 PM
    It appears as though that Muslims can not escape misogyny.

    Don't you think the title 'Can Muslims escape Misogyny' makes no sense?

    It's like 'Can Fat people escape obesity?'

    Or 'Can the British escape terrorism?'

    There's something wrong and 'in-denial' about the whole thing.
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
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