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  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #60 - March 03, 2014, 09:57 PM

    Suki-

    Genetics are actually my current specialty and the bane of my existence from Monday to Saturday. The woman you are talking about is actually more accurately described as "women;" the "Mitochondrial Eve" title changes over time depending on new discoveries. Mitochondrial Eve is just one of the ways we measure marking places in our collective genetic history. It does not mean that this was basically the first woman to ever exist, and this marker is nothing like the Eve we think of in theology. (Since I started this, Dr. Sloth responded, and his comment is 100% correct).

    As for Darwin's theory and evolution, any scientist well-versed in biology who is worth his weight will tell you that it is undeniable; the evidence for it is not possible to ignore. It is true that things will continue evolving, like you said. But you must keep in mind that the organisms you see today are the product of a vast span of time, with changes occurring slowly, gradually, typically the old fashioned way: over generations. It would take far more time than even human recorded history can span to observe real tangible differences in human evolution on a large scale that would make an impression on you.

    However, evolution is occurring constantly. The best way to observe this is to take a look at the microbial world. If you ever doubt evolution, all you need to convince yourself is a bit of know-how and access to a microbiology lab for a few days. If you wander on by while I'm in the lab, I could show you evolution right before your eyes. The quick pace at which most bacteria reproduce makes it very possible to not only witness natural evolution and Darwin's theory, but to provoke it and guide it, and, in fact, this quality of microbes has started to become quite the thorn in the side of medical providers of late with pathogens becoming more and more adept.
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #61 - March 03, 2014, 10:05 PM

    You're new at this, right? grin12

    Isn't it cute? I'd love to sink my teeth into that post, but it would be like punching Bambie in the face.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #62 - March 03, 2014, 10:18 PM

    Thanks lua for your educational post..  the other responses ?  not sure i want to stick around here, youre all rude, peace
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #63 - March 03, 2014, 10:26 PM

    ^ Honestly, if these softballs are enough to dissuade you, you might be right to give this place a wide birth. But you could post in the no-snark zones without being subject to scrutiny and critical opinion. It's your prerogative.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #64 - March 03, 2014, 10:33 PM

    The posts in question didn't even come close to snark, IMO. It was more like we were trying to avoid snark.

    Suki, you obviously are "new at this", since you apparently weren't aware of the stuff Lua posted for you. That's fine, but I don't see that it's reason to take offence.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #65 - March 03, 2014, 10:44 PM

    Bogart

    The sweat takes the heat from the body.


    That is not how your comment was formed. "we sweat the heat of the flames" Sweat itself is not the venting of heat alone nor is it the only way. Its how sweat reacts to the body that is the factor. One can replace sweat with basic water. Many reptilian species do not use sweat at all. Many mammals do not either. Also sweat is a way of removing waste from the body.

    How is this divine knowledge? The same ideas that have been repeated by many cultures, many religions and in primitive understanding of the world centuries before Islam. How does this in any way validate Islam while not validating other religions? What about "Air" which we can not breath? Too much CO2 will result in death. Too little oxygen we die. How is this anything divine when one can observe this just by being outside. There is earth(dirt) beneath, air and water all over the place and (fire)objects which create heat or are hot. Seem pretty mundane to me.
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #66 - March 03, 2014, 10:53 PM

    I'm no scientist but i'm not sure i totally beleive in darwins theory of evolution and natural selection, if it were correct then we and all other creatures would still be evolving into what i dont know, it wouldnt end, i do, however wonder if perhaps there is another type of evolution, creationism - a mutation an adaption of sorts that originated from a planned program of intelligent design.  Maybe life was planted here, the evidence is hinted at in the bible and quran etc that Adam was given, by an angel "visitor" a white stone that they claimed was used to start life on earth and Adam buried it and created a shrine, the stone later turned black over time.  I would love to know what the kaba stone is made of, perhaps the story is just a local legend Smiley    The story in the bible and quran about different coloured races red, blue etc has now been proven to be true, we share dna with one female (i forgot her given name)who settled out of africa into europe and gave birth soley to all the races, think its called caucasion ? sounds incredible but it's a true event according to some docu i watched recently..   Oh and the adam and eve story, i read an interesting account in some new agey type book recently, the book claims that adam and eve were not the first humans but alien/angel visitors who came to teach us about God and help us make a civilization, because at the time we were worshipping the sun and stars, according to this book, we created a beautiful garden for them in the cyprus region, later they had a second garden in Iraq.. Just sharing a whacky account, not my beliefs !   Smiley


    It is volcanic glass, Mitochondria Eve's DNA is shared by many but so is Gengis Khan's. There are also DNA from females which are not Eve. "Eve" was only the most successful but not only female. Also they can not even identify if she was a human. Eve never left African as the out of Africa theory is dated after her life. Whatever you are reading is all over the map and only half-truths.

    What is the blue race?
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #67 - March 03, 2014, 11:52 PM

    this is one of the Muslims in question. There is an advert I couldn't stop in the middle.

    http://www.4shared.com/music/30JEoDNpba/qwewer.html
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #68 - March 04, 2014, 12:46 AM

    No problem guys Smiley  they arent my beliefs, dont have any.. Since leaving islam ive been hanging around new age type forums for a while and was reading a book called urantia book, got my ideas out of there.. Blue race lol dunno, from that book, apparently it was the original white race before they mixed with the others, reds - american indians, egyptians, yellows - far east, greens - pakistanis and northern region of asia.   indigos - south africa oh yep and the orange race from north east africa.. Then apparently they all mixed..  Yep i watched a docu a while back and it said that a tribe migrated out of africa and one woman and man from that tribe were responsible for the different coloured races ??  ofcourse other humans lived along side from the tribes, not sure how it worked out really,  as soon as they mate they have merged back into the original tribe lol..

    yeah i am new to this, is this a place for athiests or just people who gave up islam ?

    Much peace
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #69 - March 04, 2014, 02:58 AM

    Anyway SAM, you didn't deal with what I asked you. You just avoided it all.

    Sorry, there are indeed things as I'm pretty complicated to prove...

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #70 - March 04, 2014, 05:56 AM

    yeah i am new to this, is this a place for athiests or just people who gave up islam ?

    Much peace

    This site was set up for ex-muslims. Some ex-muslims follow another ethos, some become atheists, some become deists. some just agnostic. The primary purpose of this site before any other it to be a safe place for ex-muslims to freely express themselves.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #71 - March 04, 2014, 06:02 AM

    Sum Eris,

    What about Muslims, if they can not freely say whatever they want it?  Huh?

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #72 - March 04, 2014, 06:23 AM

    The fact this place is first and foremost a sanctuary for ex-muslims by no means whatsoever equals the exclusion of others. No one is kicking either me or you out.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #73 - March 04, 2014, 01:01 PM

    I just found a link on the creation of Adam...

    [The four elements and the creation of jinns and humans][19]

    [425] One aspect of this is the fact that when air catches fire and heats up, it burns like a lamp; this is the combustion of fire. The flame [i.e. the flame from the combustion of fire], which is ignited air (or the result of the ignition of air), is what is known as mārij. Jinns are called mārij because they are fire mixed with air, burning air.[20] Marj means mixture, and this is why meadows are also known as marj because of the mixture of plants found there.[21]

    [426] Jinns, therefore, come from two sources, air and fire, just as Adam was a product of two sources, water and dust, which when kneaded together were called clay (tīn). The same thing happened with the mixture of fire and air, which was called mārij. In this smokeless fire, God, ever-glorified is He, formed the jinns. The air within them allows jinns to take on whatever form they desire, while the fire within them makes them of weak intellect and proud of its subtlety. Within them also is the desire to dominate, haughtiness and pride, because fire is the highest of the elements and has the power of transforming the natural order of things. For this reason, the jinn behaved proudly when God, ever-exalted and glorious is He, ordered it to prostrate itself before Adam, replying: "I am better than him" (7:11–12). By which it meant that it was of better origin because God had made it out of the most favoured of the four elements.

    [427] The genie did not know that the power of water, from which Adam had been created, was stronger than it, as it could make fire disappear. Neither did it know that clay was more resistant than it was to cold and dryness. Adam thus had strength and resistance, as he was filled with the two basic elements with which God had created him. Although it is true that the other elements, fire and air, were also present in Adam, these lacked the power [of earth and water]. The other elements can also be found in jinns, and that is why they are called mārij,[22] but in origin they do not have the power [of earth and water].

    [428] Adam was given humility due to his clayey nature, but he behaved haughtily and was punished.[23] He acted like that due to the fiery side within him. Likewise, he had the power to change form in his imagination and in his states, due to the airy side of his nature. The jinns, on the other hand, were given haughtiness due to their fiery nature. Their humility, when they bowed down and were punished, came from their clayey side. Those that were satans were established in acts of seduction, while those that were not were established in acts of obedience.

    Here a link : http://www.ibnarabisociety.org/articles/futuhat_ch009.html

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #74 - March 04, 2014, 01:03 PM

    Why do you believe this?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #75 - March 04, 2014, 01:11 PM

    Because I studied: : "He who knows himself, knows Allah". And why was I created?

    I am Allah, Alłah is me

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #76 - March 04, 2014, 01:14 PM

    I can study a history of comics, it doesn't make Spider-Man real. So again, why do you believe this?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #77 - March 04, 2014, 01:19 PM

    It's a reality..

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #78 - March 04, 2014, 01:25 PM

    You're an adult. You have access to information. You know how things really happened. Even on this forum we talk about reality as opposed to islam and all the things the quran gets wrong.

    I really am stumped as to why you say you believe in lies and fairy tales when the truth is all around you. I started to have serious doubts about Santa Claus when I was a child, by 9 I felt confident saying it wasn't true. As an adult with children of your own, why do you still believe this?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #79 - March 04, 2014, 01:44 PM

    I'm not young children studying religion, without searching for the truth of Islam.

    I ever challenged Allah to prove Islam is the truth and who is a real Muhammad...

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #80 - March 04, 2014, 01:47 PM

    That makes no sense. How can you challenge a god that doesn't exist? How can a false religion be true?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #81 - March 04, 2014, 01:49 PM

    I think you know it's not true. I think that's why you refused to answer my question as to what science that I believe in is unsettled. No matter how many times I asked exactly what science you were talking about that is controversial and unsettled you didn't answer. I think it's because you knew what you said wasn't true. Otherwise you would of just answered me.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #82 - March 04, 2014, 02:00 PM

    That makes no sense. How can you challenge a god that doesn't exist? How can a false religion be true?

    God exists, we ever met Him once but we forgot. That is why Allah need religion for us to know Him..

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #83 - March 04, 2014, 02:03 PM

    What you're saying makes no sense, and you've offered nothing to back up the claim that I've met allah and forgot, or why I need religion as I'd meet him and know him for all eternity after death.

    What you're saying makes no sense even from a religious standpoint.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #84 - March 04, 2014, 02:04 PM

    And again you didn't answer. How can you challenge a god that doesn't exist? How can a false religion be true?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #85 - March 04, 2014, 02:11 PM

    Quote
    And again you didn't answer. How can you challenge a god that doesn't exist? How can a false religion be true?


    First of all, can you accept any consequence if you want to challenge Allah.

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #86 - March 04, 2014, 02:12 PM

    How can I challenge a god that doesn't exist?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #87 - March 04, 2014, 02:24 PM

    He exists.....once you see Him you can become dummy. What I mean become so humble

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #88 - March 04, 2014, 02:26 PM

    I've read the quran so I know he doesn't exist.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #89 - March 04, 2014, 02:35 PM

    In Quran says..."And We are closer unto him than his jugular vein " or " He is nearer to a man than the man's own jugular vein."

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
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