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  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #120 - March 04, 2014, 08:02 PM
    I do not agree. No one can prove God exists. If there is no proof God exists means Muhammad and Allah was a lie to us.

    In the Hadith Qudsi in which Allah says "I was a hidden treasure, and I wished to be known, so I created a creation (mankind), then made Myself known to them"
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #121 - March 04, 2014, 08:22 PM
    Quote from: S.A.M on March 04, 2014, 08:02 PM
    No one can prove God exists. If there is no proof God exists means Muhammad and Allah was a lie to us.

    I agree.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #122 - March 04, 2014, 11:20 PM
    Quote from: S.A.M on March 04, 2014, 08:02 PM
    I do not agree. No one can prove God exists. If there is no proof God exists means Muhammad and Allah was a lie to us.

    In the Hadith Qudsi in which Allah says "I was a hidden treasure, and I wished to be known, so I created a creation (mankind), then made Myself known to them"

    I wonder who hid Allah.
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #123 - March 05, 2014, 01:34 AM
    Quote from: S.A.M on March 04, 2014, 07:32 PM
    The reason you do not have creed of divine knowledge to understand what I'm talking about.


    Typical response. You can neither explain your reasons in a coherent manner or explain divine knowledge so its not your fault but someone else. You haven't even made the slightest effort to string together more than a few sentence which do not amount to nonsense.
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #124 - March 05, 2014, 06:10 AM
    Quote from: S.A.M on March 04, 2014, 08:02 PM
    I do not agree. No one can prove God exists. If there is no proof God exists means Muhammad and Allah was a lie to us.

    Yup. So why believe a lie?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #125 - March 05, 2014, 06:41 AM
    Quote from: bogart on March 05, 2014, 01:34 AM
    Typical response. You can neither explain your reasons in a coherent manner or explain divine knowledge so its not your fault but someone else. You haven't even made the slightest effort to string together more than a few sentence which do not amount to nonsense.

    Sorry about that...mostly me using my iPad to reply especially during my duty at workplace.
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #126 - March 05, 2014, 06:47 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on March 05, 2014, 06:10 AM
    Yup. So why believe a lie?

    Muhammad didn't lie to withholding the truth that Allah exist. The Prophet Muhammad's ascension (Isra Mi'raj) to meet Allah face to face. So we can also do it.
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #127 - March 05, 2014, 07:14 AM
    But you're presuming the god of the muslims exists. It's biased and your first major flaw. First you have to establish if the muslim god does indeed exist. So, read the quran. Is the quran correct? No, it's wrong and clearly influenced. If the holy book that describes your particular god is wrong, then it's safe to assume that particular god is fictional.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #128 - March 05, 2014, 07:51 AM
    Your brain objected because you do not have enough knowledge to know what I'm saying.

    I repeat again to you..

    Firstly, we need to know Allah exist and bear a witness with our own eyes La Ilaha Ila Lah "Nothing exists except Allah"  before we can accept Islam is a true religion and Quran..Book of Allah is word of Him.

    Muhammad didn't lie to withholding the truth that Allah exist. The Prophet Muhammad's ascension (Isra Mi'raj) to meet Allah face to face. So we can also do it like him (Isra Mi'raj) to meet Allah face to face.

    The first part of the Shahada recited “La ilaha illallah” meaning “There is no God but (except) Allah” can also mean None (nothing) exists except Allah. It depends on the person concerned which one suits to them.

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #129 - March 05, 2014, 07:54 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on March 05, 2014, 07:14 AM
    But you're presuming the god of the muslims exists. It's biased and your first major flaw. First you have to establish if the muslim god does indeed exist. So, read the quran. Is the quran correct? No, it's wrong and clearly influenced. If the holy book that describes your particular god is wrong, then it's safe to assume that particular god is fictional.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #130 - March 05, 2014, 08:04 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on March 05, 2014, 07:14 AM
    But you're presuming the god of the muslims exists. It's biased and your first major flaw. First you have to establish if the muslim god does indeed exist. So, read the quran. Is the quran correct? No, it's wrong and clearly influenced. If the holy book that describes your particular god is wrong, then it's safe to assume that particular god is fictional.

    I repeat again and again..

    In the Hadith Qudsi in which Allah says "I was a hidden treasure, and I wished to be known, so I created a creation (mankind), then made Myself known to them"

    In Quran says..."And We are closer unto him than his jugular vein " or " He is nearer to a man than the man's own jugular vein."

    Can or not, you explain the deeper meaning of this verse and Hadith Qudsi?
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #131 - March 05, 2014, 08:10 AM
    I can give my thoughts on it, but your repeated quranic quoting misses the point. I don't see how you can use the quran to prove the existence of allah. It's like me using a comic to prove the existence of Spider-Man.

    In the comics Spider-Man's uncle tells him that "With great power comes great responsibility". Can you tell me the meaning of this verse? Of course you can. Does it matter one way or the other if we're trying to establish whether or not Spider-Man exists? No it does not.

    So again:

    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on March 05, 2014, 07:14 AM
    But you're presuming the god of the muslims exists. It's biased and your first major flaw. First you have to establish if the muslim god does indeed exist. So, read the quran. Is the quran correct? No, it's wrong and clearly influenced. If the holy book that describes your particular god is wrong, then it's safe to assume that particular god is fictional.


    This needs to be addressed first. Once we establish that allah is real and the quran is fact, we can move onto verses and meaning.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #132 - March 05, 2014, 08:15 AM
    Can or not, you explain the deeper meaning of this verse and Hadith Qudsi? Yes or No

    Before we can continue other discussion
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #133 - March 05, 2014, 08:19 AM
     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    Ok sunshine, please explain why it is necessary to interpret that verse before discussing anything else. I get the impression you're using it to evade discussing anything else.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #134 - March 05, 2014, 08:19 AM
    I can give you my thoughts on it, whether or not you'd accept them is another matter. And I don't want to move onto another discussion, I want to know why you believe in the quran/allah, because at this point it just looks like this.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #135 - March 05, 2014, 08:20 AM
    Also, just going to throw this in here.





     Smiley
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #136 - March 05, 2014, 08:23 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on March 05, 2014, 08:19 AM
    I can give you my thoughts on it, whether or not you'd accept them is another matter. And I don't want to move onto another discussion, I want to know why you believe in the quran/allah, because at this point it just looks like this.

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    Nope...neither Bible nor Quran nor Torah say, so.

    It's God of Abraham say, so. grin12
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #137 - March 05, 2014, 08:24 AM
    Prove it. Afro
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #138 - March 05, 2014, 08:25 AM
    Quote from: S.A.M on March 05, 2014, 08:23 AM
    Nope...neither Bible nor Quran nor Torah say, so.

    It's God of Abraham say, so. grin12

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #139 - March 05, 2014, 08:28 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on March 05, 2014, 08:24 AM
    Prove it. Afro

    I'll be back soon to reply your inquiry.  I want to take shower before going to work. Be patient..
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #140 - March 05, 2014, 08:31 AM
    I'm sure it will be some incredible insight I've never encountered in my wildest dreams.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #141 - March 05, 2014, 11:08 AM
    Quote from: S.A.M on March 05, 2014, 07:51 AM

    Your brain objected because you do not have enough knowledge to know what I'm saying.



    The knowledge you spout is hardly any sort of deep thoughts or knowledge which is useful. Stringing together a few verses and catch-phrases is not knowledge not matter how good it makes you feel or reinforces your believe. If I quotes Bible verses about false prophets would this prove Mo is a liar and fraud? If you know this knowledge it is only due to your ignorance of super-neato divine knowledge


    Quote from: S.A.M on March 05, 2014, 07:51 AM
    Muhammad didn't lie to withholding the truth that Allah exist. The Prophet Muhammad's ascension (Isra Mi'raj) to meet Allah face to face. So we can also do it like him (Isra Mi'raj) to meet Allah face to face.


    Buddist have been able to find the reborn souls of the Dalha lamba every time. This must prove there is no God but only the soul and resurrection which proves Islam false/ They wouldn't lie about stuff like this!




  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #142 - March 05, 2014, 11:39 AM
    bogart...

    Quote
    The knowledge you spout is hardly any sort of deep thoughts or knowledge which is useful. Stringing together a few verses and catch-phrases is not knowledge not matter how good it makes you feel or reinforces your make-believe. If I quotes Bible verses about false prophets would this prove Mo is a wild and fraud? If you know this knowledge it is only due to your ignorance of super-neato divine knowledge


    Go ahead if you want to quotes Bible verses about false prophets would this prove Mo is a wild and fraud?

    Quote
    Buddist have been able to find the reborn souls of the Dalha lamba every time. This must prove there is no God but only the soul and resurrection which proves Islam false/They wouldn't lie about stuff like this!


    Do you know that devotees Buddism don't believe the existence of God and existence of Adam n Eve. And also that the Buddha (DhulKifli) is one of the 25 prophets Muslim must know.

    About meditation in the Buddhist far difference with meditation in Islam.

    Reborn in Buddhism is not the same in Islam. In Islam "Die before Death"..

    I agree there is no God..can you tell me if they (Buddhist) don't believe in Existence of God. What they want to believe?
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #143 - March 05, 2014, 12:15 PM
    Quote from: S.A.M on March 05, 2014, 11:39 AM
    bogart...

    Go ahead if you want to quotes Bible verses about false prophets would this prove Mo is a wild and fraud?



    You fail to see my point. Quoting verses only works for those that believe in the verses. It means nothing to those that do not. Using verses only shores up the troops.

    Quote from: S.A.M on March 05, 2014, 11:39 AM

    Do you know that devotees Buddism don't believe the existence of God and existence of Adam n Eve. And also that the Buddha (DhulKifli) is one of the 25 prophets Muslim must know.



    Funny how a prophet of God is part of a religion which has no God figure. Of course Islam assimilates anything useful to shore up the troops even when its followers are ignorant of the beliefs system they believe supports Islam.

    Quote from: S.A.M on March 05, 2014, 11:39 AM


    I agree there is no God..can you tell me if they (Buddhist) don't believe in Existence of God. What they want to believe?



    They do not believe in a creator, unless it is a Hinduism influences version.

    If you do not believe in God what is all your comments about Islam and Allah about?
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #144 - March 05, 2014, 12:28 PM
    Quote from: S.A.M on March 05, 2014, 11:39 AM
    bogart...

    Go ahead if you want to quotes Bible verses about false prophets would this prove Mo is a wild and fraud?

    How do you know they are false prophets?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #145 - March 05, 2014, 12:29 PM
    Quote from: S.A.M on March 05, 2014, 11:39 AM
    I agree there is no God

    Then why are you sprouting shit about allah?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #146 - March 05, 2014, 12:32 PM
    Quote from: S.A.M on March 05, 2014, 11:39 AM
    Mo is a wild and fraud?



     Smiley
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #147 - March 05, 2014, 12:34 PM
    Y'know I'm always amazed that anyone would think the Quran noble. It's such a grotty little book, and thoroughly unedifying. It's a bit like calling pedo priests noble.

    ETA: Ok, correction. Make that axe-murdering, wife beating, warmongering, pedo priests.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #148 - March 05, 2014, 12:39 PM
    Quote

    If you do not believe in God what is all your comments about Islam and Allah about?


     “There is no god but Allah and There is not god but god”. There is a difference between the meanings of the two words 'God' (a capital ‘G’) and 'god' (a lowercase 'g')

    The first part of the Shahada recited “La ilaha illallah” meaning “There is no God but (except) Allah” can also mean None (nothing) exists except Allah. It depends on the person concerned which one suits to them.

    From my point of view “There is no God” this did not mean the God of Bible or Jewish YHWH....but (except) Allah, God, YHWH are the same called Supreme Being or Creator. So, Allah, God and Yahweh worshiped by Muslims, Christians and Jews are the same God of Abraham.

    The word “God” in Sahada actually means something bigger or worse than god (idolatry) because idols can be seen with eyes compare to "God in Sahada" is unseen. What I mean a person needs to fix his/her eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen.

    In Islam majority of Muslims say that God and Allah are the same. And some of Christian denies that Allah is not the same God worshipped by Christians or Jews…

    Islam teaches that Allah has 99 beautiful names or 99 attributes. In Christian has more than 900 names and titles of God mentioned in the O.T and N.T. I don’t think you know which one a true name of Christian God. It is ELOHIM, YHWH, ADONAI, JEHOVAH, GOD, FATHER etc If Yes, and then what is it?
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Adam - the first human?
     Reply #149 - March 05, 2014, 12:43 PM
    But we still haven't established if islam is correct. You keep missing this. Why should we care what a false religion teaches apart from learning about a glimpse of humanity?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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