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  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #210 - September 09, 2014, 11:30 PM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 09, 2014, 11:26 PM

    My point is that not everything is provable.

    Ok.. tell me the point/s   THAT IS NOT PROVABLE .. I know there are some..

    for e.g origin of universe., or origin of life on earth..  or origin of life..  may be on other planets in this galaxy or other galaxies  

    but tell me your unprovable point..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #211 - September 09, 2014, 11:32 PM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 09, 2014, 11:28 PM
    That science does not provide ALL the answers.

    I presume most of the readers of this forum understand an argument from ignorance when they see it. If you hope to win the hearts and minds of people, you might want to credit them with more intelligence than that.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #212 - September 09, 2014, 11:33 PM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 09, 2014, 11:18 PM
    I can understand why you might be a bit grumpy, and if I've hurt your feeling, I'm sorry.

    She's not grumpy, and her feelings aren't hurt. She just thinks you're an idiot. Smiley
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #213 - September 09, 2014, 11:33 PM
     so you must know this "spiritual nature" of human being is very little to do with religions and religious beliefs.. They are dime a dozen right?

    That would be up to an individual to explore their own "spiritual nature". So, yes, I agree that organized religious systems are not the best place to start.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #214 - September 09, 2014, 11:34 PM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 09, 2014, 11:26 PM
    If god - or gods - exist, the proof of their existence would not be contingent upon what we feel about them, but, rather, be beyond question. Here, then, is your chance to settle an age-old issue: what is this proof?

    My point is that not everything is provable.


    WHAT?!  Cheesy

    When did that become your point?? I thought you were the one who came here saying this:

    Quote from: carpentaro on September 07, 2014, 11:15 PM
    There have been exhaustive studies of Biblical accuracy; historically, prophetically, and scientifically. I find that the weight of evidence for its' accuracy tends to agree with its' authenticity.


    And this:

    Quote from: carpentaro on September 08, 2014, 12:26 AM
    lua, I'll look for compelling information that will satisfy your scrutiny.



  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #215 - September 09, 2014, 11:36 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on September 09, 2014, 11:32 PM
    I presume most of the readers of this forum understand an argument from ignorance when they see it. If you hope to win the hearts and minds of people, you might want to credit them with more intelligence than that.


    An understanding that we are flawed was what I was driving at.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #216 - September 09, 2014, 11:36 PM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 09, 2014, 11:33 PM
    so you must know this "spiritual nature" of human being is very little to do with religions and religious beliefs.. They are dime a dozen right?

    That would be up to an individual to explore their own "spiritual nature". So, yes, I agree that organized religious systems are not the best place to start.

    If organised religion is not the best place to start, why are you Christian?
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #217 - September 09, 2014, 11:37 PM
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    I can understand why you might be a bit grumpy, and if I've hurt your feeling, I'm sorry.


    Wait, don't say that, I'm such a total sucker that you'll make me feel bad. Grin  I also want to be clear that I'm sure you're otherwise a lovely man, but your words and actions aren't above criticism because of it.

    Seriously, though. Although I'll accept that you're saying that you, in a Christian-like manner sure to make the other Christians proud, came here with with the intention of tricking us like many an internet troll often does, I must insist that I'm not grumpy. Osmanthus and yeez beat me to it, but still, I have to say that your experiment has been not only pointless but one that doesn't reflect well on you, so I don't feel much of a sting, truthfully.

    Like I said, you're a dime a dozen on here, my man. As soon as you leave the forum, if not before, another one will be here, doing the same thing you're doing. Although he'll probably be Muslim.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #218 - September 09, 2014, 11:37 PM
    Quote from: happymurtad on September 09, 2014, 11:34 PM
    WHAT?!  Cheesy

    When did that become your point??

    When he realised he was fucked. Cheesy
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  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #219 - September 09, 2014, 11:39 PM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 09, 2014, 11:33 PM
    so you must know this "spiritual nature" of human being is very little to do with religions and religious beliefs.. They are dime a dozen right?

    That would be up to an individual to explore their own "spiritual nature". So, yes, I agree that organized religious systems are not the best place to start.

    Good we are getting somewhere here ..    indeed that is a good start... getting rid of these organized religions

     ....So all those 1000 year old books are full of bull shit ...fables...  
    ......preachers either they are fools OR rascal trying to dope innocents..  
    and..and followers are more foolish because they stopped inquiring about the subject that is too dear to them.. which is this  "god thing" ..right?

    correct me if I am wrong carpentaro?  
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #220 - September 09, 2014, 11:40 PM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 09, 2014, 11:36 PM
    An understanding that we are flawed was what I was driving at.

    So, your most powerful argument is that science doesn't have all the answers and we are flawed.

    Ok. No further questions.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #221 - September 09, 2014, 11:41 PM
    There have been exhaustive studies of Biblical accuracy; historically, prophetically, and scientifically. I find that the weight of evidence for its' accuracy tends to agree with its' authenticity.
    People choose to believe what they want to, I don't like being told what to believe. And, yes, there is evidence of events, people, and places.  
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #222 - September 09, 2014, 11:43 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on September 09, 2014, 11:39 PM
    Good we are getting somewhere here ..    indeed that is a good start... getting rid of these organized religions

     ....So all those 1000 year old books are full of bull shit ...fables...  
    ......preachers either they are fools OR rascal trying to dope innocents..  
    and..and followers are more foolish because they stopped inquiring about the subject that is too dear to them.. which is this  "god thing" ..right?

    correct me if I am wrong carpentaro?  

    I said it's not a good place to start.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #223 - September 09, 2014, 11:44 PM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 09, 2014, 11:41 PM
    There have been exhaustive studies of Biblical accuracy; historically, prophetically, and scientifically. I find that the weight of evidence for its' accuracy tends to agree with its' authenticity.
     .  

     Nope    where??    sorry   .. that is a belief,   you are throwing same words again .. you already posted them..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #224 - September 09, 2014, 11:45 PM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 09, 2014, 11:41 PM
    There have been exhaustive studies of Biblical accuracy; historically, prophetically, and scientifically. I find that the weight of evidence for its' accuracy tends to agree with its' authenticity.

    And yet you can't seem to provide any evidence.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #225 - September 09, 2014, 11:46 PM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 09, 2014, 11:41 PM
    There have been exhaustive studies of Biblical accuracy; historically, prophetically, and scientifically. I find that the weight of evidence for its' accuracy tends to agree with its' authenticity.
    People choose to believe what they want to, I don't like being told what to believe. And, yes, there is evidence of events, people, and places.  


    Wait, now you have the evidence again? Cheesy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #226 - September 09, 2014, 11:48 PM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 09, 2014, 11:43 PM
    I said it's not a good place to start.

    Yap you said this

    Quote
    So, yes, I agree that organized religious systems are not the best place to start.

     Indeed organized religions is not a good place to start  and religious books  are nothing but organized ..stuffed  stories of  some writers who lived in caves some 1000s of years ago..   and and whose intellectual ability is less than primary school kids of 21st century
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #227 - September 09, 2014, 11:49 PM
    Quote from: lua on September 09, 2014, 11:37 PM
    Wait, don't say that, I'm such a total sucker that you'll make me feel bad. Grin  I also want to be clear that I'm sure you're otherwise a lovely man, but your words and actions aren't above criticism because of it.

    Seriously, though. Although I'll accept that you're saying that you, in a Christian-like manner sure to make the other Christians proud, came here with with the intention of tricking us like many an internet troll often does, I must insist that I'm not grumpy. Osmanthus and yeez beat me to it, but still, I have to say that your experiment has been not only pointless but one that doesn't reflect well on you, so I don't feel much of a sting, truthfully.

    Like I said, you're a dime a dozen on here, my man. As soon as you leave the forum, if not before, another one will be here, doing the same thing you're doing. Although he'll probably be Muslim.

    My intent was to dialogue, there is a difference of intensity to disagreement and saying that someone is wrong. A trap most belief systems fall into.
      
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #228 - September 09, 2014, 11:49 PM
    Please, will you all excuse me?  My age is catching up with me, and I need to go to bed.

    I am also just about done with carpentaro's implausible rants, and his desperate attempts to influence intelligent people with nothing more than fairy tales.

    To sum up carpentaro's efforts I would say:
    TRIED HARD ------ FAILED MISERABLY.

    Goodnight to one and all.
    Kind Regards,
    Stephen.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #229 - September 09, 2014, 11:51 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on September 09, 2014, 11:48 PM
    Yap you said this
     Indeed organized religions is not a good place to start  and religious books  are nothing but organized ..stuffed  stories of  some writers who lived in caves some 1000s of years ago..   and and whose intellectual ability is less than primary school kids of 21st century

    Glean from them what you can, the responsibility resides with the individual.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #230 - September 09, 2014, 11:55 PM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 09, 2014, 11:51 PM
    Glean from them what you can, the responsibility resides with the individual.

    indeed that works for me and that also fits for you carpentaro............   so please continue with other friends ..  and try not to be superficial
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #231 - September 09, 2014, 11:58 PM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 09, 2014, 11:49 PM
    My intent was to dialogue


    You've expressed a couple different intentions you had in coming here since you've arrived, but this one is probably the least believable to me. If anything, you came to talk at us, thinking you'd fare better than you did.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #232 - September 10, 2014, 12:00 AM
    Hey we could call the gulf between ego and ability the "Gulf of Carpentaro".
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #233 - September 10, 2014, 12:04 AM
    Quote from: lua on September 09, 2014, 11:58 PM
    You've expressed a couple different intentions you had in coming here since you've arrived, but this one is probably the least believable to me. If anything, you came to talk at us, thinking you'd fare better than you did.


    My intent was to encourage people in and individual exploration of their spiritual nature. I believe that I've been consistent in that.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #234 - September 10, 2014, 12:17 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on September 09, 2014, 11:36 PM
    If organised religion is not the best place to start, why are you Christian?

    That is where I ended up. It works for me, as an individual. The freedom to choose is a danger to many dogmatically rigid belief systems.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #235 - September 10, 2014, 12:28 AM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 10, 2014, 12:04 AM
    My intent was to encourage people in and individual exploration of their spiritual nature. I believe that I've been consistent in that.


    That's different than saying you're coming here in hopes of dialogue? I've also seen you say you've come here to spread the good news, to confirm suspicions you'd already had, and to prove useless points with a totally on-purpose "experiment." Also, let's not forget that you came here to express your frustrations with those darn Muslims and their hypocrisy. Now, if you told me that prefacing your posts here with that statement was intentional, I'd believe that, because the irony is too good to be true.

    Look, I'm sure you have great intentions, or at least not particularly bad ones. But like I said some pages ago, you've got to work on your approach. This is not going to convince anyone, it's not going to inspire anyone, it's not going to spark productive dialogue. Polish your tactics and your arguments, get a new game plan, and try again.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #236 - September 10, 2014, 12:40 AM
    I think that those are consistent. Spiritual exploration=Good News=love.
    Also, trying to avoid the pitfall of rancour.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #237 - September 10, 2014, 12:56 AM
    You might want to look into the meaning of the equal sign. Simply because you personally might be able to derive one thing from another does not make them equals.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #238 - September 10, 2014, 12:58 AM
    For me they are. I'm only speaking as an individual.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #239 - September 10, 2014, 07:26 AM
    Quote from: carpentaro on September 09, 2014, 11:41 PM
    There have been exhaustive studies of Biblical accuracy; historically, prophetically, and scientifically. I find that the weight of evidence for its' accuracy tends to agree with its' authenticity.
    People choose to believe what they want to, I don't like being told what to believe. And, yes, there is evidence of events, people, and places.  


    Studies such as? I am interested in the arguments from authority you have been reading.
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