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  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #180 - September 08, 2014, 08:40 PM

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    carpentaro says
    ........................
    The Bible says  "confess with your lips and believe with your heart".   ..........

    happymurtad replies
    Interesting. Funny the same thing also works for Vishnu, Allah, Waheguru, Baal, wishing stars, bunny foots, clovers, and lucky coins.


    Yap...... All religions and all religious gurus are in the same boat  when it comes to that beautiful statement of carpentaro..

    "confess with your lips and believe with your heart".

    Yap... use lips and heart but ....."NEVER USE BRAIN"....

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #181 - September 08, 2014, 08:46 PM

    If you think that you're ready to make the next step now, a very simple prayer will get you on your way.
    Jesus, be my Lord and Saviour.
    The Bible says "confess with your lips and believe with your heart". That's it, deal done. No special ceremony [as this is a personal transaction as an individual], actually, the preferred method of prayer is in private so as to "not appear boastful" in front of people, crowds... Hope that wasn't too "preachy" for y'all.

    But does Christianity have anything more substantive to offer than shallow rituals and platitudes? For those of us who like to think a little bit deeper about these things?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #182 - September 08, 2014, 11:50 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pguMUFyJ3_U&feature=youtube_gdata_player
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #183 - September 09, 2014, 01:44 AM

    lua, with qualifiers such as "reputable" [to who] you won't be satisfied until you read something that agrees with your world view. So I picked some links [mostly with creation or believer in the title] to see what your reaction would be and, you didn't let me down. The science for; God, evolution, climate change is all subjective, there are positions on both sides. Regardless what you've heard, there is no consensus on any of these. That may not be what you'd like to hear and it may not be in agreement with your world view.


    An unsurprising mistake on your part. The reason this confuses you is because you simply do not understand that there are very clear, objective, and attainable standards in the field of science to determine what is and is not reputable. This excuse about it being an interpretation sadly is not applicable here, as there are objective standards independent of the scientist's personal perspectives.

    I mean reputable in the sense that scientists mean it, in the way we use it in the field of science, within the boundaries that I and others happily and effectively operate in the scientific realm. Accepting anything short of these clearly-defined standards results in scientific error, which is what your resources are not only crawling with, but entirely composed of. That is why I definitely suggest that you take a rudimentary science course at a local college. How to find credible sources and why this credibility matters will likely be explained to you in the first lecture.

    I'm afraid you're in over your head here, carpentaro. So much so, that, like osmanthus predicted, you seem to not even know it. You've provided nothing worthwhile or valuable, your rhetoric was so vague as to be applicable to any ideology you could imagine, you were so spectacularly lazy that your best effort to demonstrate the truth of Biblical claims was a few unimpressive links (two of which were broken, so, like another user said, you never even bothered reading this in the first place, and just took someone's word for it), and then took a deep bow and invited us to join you in this weird delusion.

    You're not going to convince anyone like this. Why even bother if you are going to be so lazy, and if your words are only going to be remarkable for the sheer amount of space they occupy without conveying a message?

    I'm sorry it didn't work out for you here, and that the best news you were able to spread over these six pages and two days is that we aren't missing much by opting out of Christianity. You were polite, though, so that's something we don't always get. So thanks for that, and better luck elsewhere. Put a little more thought and effort into the next try, and maybe you'll snag some weak ones.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #184 - September 09, 2014, 02:58 AM

    Very good post, Lua.

    Wot I would of said had I a brain in me 'ead.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #185 - September 09, 2014, 03:28 PM

    Thanks, David. Smiley
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #186 - September 09, 2014, 03:49 PM

    Very good post, Lua.

    Wot I would of said had I a brain in me 'ead.


    You don't give yourself enough credit. I'm sure I could find some posts of over 200 words if I looked in your history.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #187 - September 09, 2014, 05:22 PM

    carpentaro  is missing .. where did you go?   i don't want him to go from Jesus to Muhammad because of CEMB  .. that travel direction is not good
    lua, with qualifiers such as "reputable" [to who] you won't be satisfied until you read something that agrees with your world view. So I picked some links [mostly with creation or believer in the title] to see what your reaction would be and, you didn't let me down. "The science for; God, evolution, climate change is all subjective, there are positions on both sides. Regardless what you've heard, there is no consensus on any of these. That may not be what you'd like to hear and it may not be in agreement with your world view."

    those are gems., you are absolutely right in saying that carpentaro., It is true that

    "The science for God
    or Science behind the concept of God.,
     Science behind the evolution.,
     Science behind the climate change"


    Indeed they are all subjective., they are subjective w.r.t  to the observations, , they are subjective w.r.t  to the results we have,   and , they are also  subjective w.r.t  to the proposals to solve such problem.  Science always works with debate and that is how we improvise and advance our understanding of a given subject.  Everyone need not agree with every one.   What is important is that you are a great guy and quite polite in your responses . That is very important., You may be sitting on a high horse a bit w.r.t Christianity  but that is O.K.  So don't get upset and let us continue to discuss your point of view on Christ, Christianity and its origins.. 

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #188 - September 09, 2014, 05:52 PM

    I agree Yeezevee, perhaps there should be a sub forum on here soley for posters who want to discuss their faith or faith in general as not every guest or muslim apostate will be an atheist i guess so   : )
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #189 - September 09, 2014, 09:36 PM

    An unsurprising mistake on your part. The reason this confuses you is because you simply do not understand that there are very clear, objective, and attainable standards in the field of science to determine what is and is not reputable. This excuse about it being an interpretation sadly is not applicable here, as there are objective standards independent of the scientist's personal perspectives.

    I mean reputable in the sense that scientists mean it, in the way we use it in the field of science, within the boundaries that I and others happily and effectively operate in the scientific realm. Accepting anything short of these clearly-defined standards results in scientific error, which is what your resources are not only crawling with, but entirely composed of. That is why I definitely suggest that you take a rudimentary science course at a local college. How to find credible sources and why this credibility matters will likely be explained to you in the first lecture.

    I'm afraid you're in over your head here, carpentaro. So much so, that, like osmanthus predicted, you seem to not even know it. You've provided nothing worthwhile or valuable, your rhetoric was so vague as to be applicable to any ideology you could imagine, you were so spectacularly lazy that your best effort to demonstrate the truth of Biblical claims was a few unimpressive links (two of which were broken, so, like another user said, you never even bothered reading this in the first place, and just took someone's word for it), and then took a deep bow and invited us to join you in this weird delusion.

    You're not going to convince anyone like this. Why even bother if you are going to be so lazy, and if your words are only going to be remarkable for the sheer amount of space they occupy without conveying a message?

    I'm sorry it didn't work out for you here, and that the best news you were able to spread over these six pages and two days is that we aren't missing much by opting out of Christianity. You were polite, though, so that's something we don't always get. So thanks for that, and better luck elsewhere. Put a little more thought and effort into the next try, and maybe you'll snag some weak ones.

    Science IS as big a "belief system" as any other, you've just proved my point that people are "spiritual beings", so thanks for that.
    The lack of tolerance that "scientific" belief systems exhibit is reminiscent of other religions and my fear is would end up being as single-minded, dictatorial, and dogmatic. 
    You missed my point in providing you with the links, I was trying to prove how predictable you'd be.
    It worked out very well for me, as I was able to contrast how similar the "scientific" belief system is to other dogmatically rigid belief systems that others here may have recently exited, again, thanks.
    With going back and forth with sometimes 3-4 waiting in line, my objective was to reach the others reading and watching how even the "scientific" belief system was the first to resort to; denigration, name calling, questioning of sanity... "Scientific" resorts to the same tactics that other man made belief systems resort to when threatened.
    If you consider that there were perhaps 10 readers to every 1 poster, that was my audience, and you were my foil.

    Thanks again, carpentaro     
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #190 - September 09, 2014, 09:40 PM

    I was impressed. Smiley

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #191 - September 09, 2014, 10:02 PM

    So, science is a belief system then. Fair enough. Are all belief systems equal?

    Next time you have some worrisome lump or develop some nasty rash, would you rather a medical doctor using remedies proven to work through the scientific method, or a village witch doctor who heals people through proven spiritual charms and chants?

    Next time you need to contact a loved one or reach out to an old friend for a specific and urgent need, will you use computers and cell phones based on centuries of scientific advancement and discovery, or will you say a prayer and ask Jesus to get the message to them?

    No one is telling you that you can't be spiritual. I'm not, at least. In fact, what I have been saying to you all along is that your spirituality is fine and dandy. But don't go confusing things that have no possible way of being verified, apart from that warm and fuzzy gut feeling they give you, with those things that can be studied, verified, and predicted scientifically. You do yourself and your cause no favors when you do that.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #192 - September 09, 2014, 10:21 PM

    I'll admit that there are things that I do not know. Science franticly runs around trying to to prove things.
    Understanding and accepting that there are things bigger is a hard thing.
    We know much, but much we do not [and I'd contend never will on this plane].  
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #193 - September 09, 2014, 10:37 PM

    ............................
    Thanks again, carpentaro    

    hu!  what is happening here?   carpentaro  saying thanks to carpentaro?   Oh! you are saying to lua ., she is good .. she works in Laboratory ...  so you say

    "Science is as big a "belief system" as any other,"


      ... No...no...nooo ., people working in science propose their hypothesis or belief  and then  they work at it., proven wrong they accept it and move on to new proposals  carpentaro    ., It is NOT a belief system the way  you see it in a religious belief..   Science has dynamic structure  inherently  built in to it   and it will always allows every one to question it at every step..

    so you are not right in your assumptions....

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #194 - September 09, 2014, 10:40 PM

    I'll admit that there are things that I do not know.

    well  people working in science also admit that
    Quote
    Science franticly runs around trying to to prove things.

    what is that thing franticly?   No that is nothing to do with science it may be to do with some hyper guys working science

    Quote
    Understanding and accepting that there are things bigger is a hard thing.
    We know much, but much we do not [and I'd contend never will on this plane].  

    Good   that is a good point.,  then explore it question it do not stagnate yourself...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #195 - September 09, 2014, 10:49 PM

    Good science is about challenging your beliefs. It's about analyzing evidence, looking at patterns, and making observations. It's about trying to replicate results. If I can make predictions as to how something will operate based on the data I've analyzed, I can produce those same conditions and results over and over again. That is why the satellite that feeds live television to my flat screen stays in orbit. That is why our medicines fight diseases. That is why modern DNA evidence and the fossil record continue support Darwin's 19th century findings on evolution.

    Once we can continue to make these predictions based on our observations and models, we can be pretty sure we know what we are talking about. The satellite for my TV would not work if the earth was flat. Our medicines would not cure if diseases were caused by demons and evil spirits. We would not find fossils depicting the slow change of a given population, and we would not be able to predict in what layer of the fossil record we would find each type of life form, if evolution by natural selection were not true.

    When people here are suggesting you study science closely and strongly consider the evidence, it is not a put down. It is an invitation to broaden your horizons. Many of us here were a lot like you at one point. Don't be trapped by your dogma.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #196 - September 09, 2014, 10:56 PM

    But only believing in what they can prove to themselves. Self-belief or belief in man's intellect denies a belief in anything that cannot be proved.
    I do not need to prove that people have a "spiritual nature", they already know it.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #197 - September 09, 2014, 10:57 PM

    Science IS as big a "belief system" as any other, you've just proved my point that people are "spiritual beings", so thanks for that.
    The lack of tolerance that "scientific" belief systems exhibit is reminiscent of other religions and my fear is would end up being as single-minded, dictatorial, and dogmatic. 
    You missed my point in providing you with the links, I was trying to prove how predictable you'd be.
    It worked out very well for me, as I was able to contrast how similar the "scientific" belief system is to other dogmatically rigid belief systems that others here may have recently exited, again, thanks.
    With going back and forth with sometimes 3-4 waiting in line, my objective was to reach the others reading and watching how even the "scientific" belief system was the first to resort to; denigration, name calling, questioning of sanity... "Scientific" resorts to the same tactics that other man made belief systems resort to when threatened.
    If you consider that there were perhaps 10 readers to every 1 poster, that was my audience, and you were my foil.   

    Nothing in this post is true.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #198 - September 09, 2014, 11:06 PM

    Science IS as big a "belief system" as any other, you've just proved my point that people are "spiritual beings", so thanks for that.
    The lack of tolerance that "scientific" belief systems exhibit is reminiscent of other religions and my fear is would end up being as single-minded, dictatorial, and dogmatic. 
    You missed my point in providing you with the links, I was trying to prove how predictable you'd be.
    It worked out very well for me, as I was able to contrast how similar the "scientific" belief system is to other dogmatically rigid belief systems that others here may have recently exited, again, thanks.
    With going back and forth with sometimes 3-4 waiting in line, my objective was to reach the others reading and watching how even the "scientific" belief system was the first to resort to; denigration, name calling, questioning of sanity... "Scientific" resorts to the same tactics that other man made belief systems resort to when threatened.
    If you consider that there were perhaps 10 readers to every 1 poster, that was my audience, and you were my foil.

    Thanks again, carpentaro     


    Once again, predictable mistake on your part. Even though you do not understand the first thing about the field of science, you feel qualified to define it and label it, and you think that I and others should benefit from your stabs in the dark. If so, that's good news for me, as I will be starting lua's Big Book of Plumbing, lua's Aerospace Guide for Dummies, and lua's Definitive Resource on Christianity and all things Jesus. Going by your logic, the fact that I know little at most about these subjects shouldn't be a problem, and for every one reader who calls me on my nonsense, there will be ten others who believe that "knowledge" and "facts" are subjective and will buy my books. I expect you to buy them, too. I'll dedicate one to you.  yes

    If you had caught me a few months ago before I got weary of this song and dance, I would have spent a great deal of time explaining it to you. In fact, there's a thread around here somewhere where I spent days trying to break it down for another user who, like you, was unable to process it. And that's fine, but you'll forgive me and others with even the most basic understanding of science for being less than impressed with the conclusions you're forming based off of your own ignorance. And it doesn't matter anyway, as you're quite content to be oblivious.

    But anyway, back to your "I tripped but I meant to do that" claim that you're selling right now. So you're telling me that you came on here with the sole intention of giving a remarkably poor sermon, so intentionally awful, so purposefully rife with error and nonsense, and all in order to demonstrate that the readers of this nonsense will question your sanity and demand evidence? That if you offer us scientific evidence and say that you have it, we will accept and ask for it, and be disappointed when you give us broken urls?

    You had the opportunity to invite our poor souls to be saved, to convince us of the truth of Christianity, to show us the scientific evidence you initially claimed to have to support the Bible, and instead you decided not to bestow your knowledge and your best sermons and your real-life evidence on us?  That it's all a jester's dance and you're just thrilled to have an audience? I must say, carpentaro, that that's not very Christian-like of you. In fact, I'm going to bring you up when I'm being questioned by St. Peter at the pearly gates. I could have been a good Christian, but Carpentaro decided to be stingy with his mind-blowing knowledge.

    Sadly, I don't think that's the case. I do, however, think you couldn't come up with anything more compelling if you tried, that you're functioning at maximum capacity as it stands, and I'm pretty sure you're going to look less foolish if you just admit that you walked in here thinking you were awfully clever and found you didn't have as many tricks up your sleeve as you thought you did. But admitting that would require a little bit of humility. That's a thing you're supposed to like as a Christian, right?  Wink
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #199 - September 09, 2014, 11:10 PM

     I was trying to prove how predictable you'd be.
    With going back and forth with sometimes 3-4 waiting in line, my objective was to reach the others reading and watching how even the "scientific" belief system was the first to resort to; denigration, name calling, questioning of sanity... "Scientific" resorts to the same tactics that other man made belief systems resort to when threatened.
    If you consider that there were perhaps 10 readers to every 1 poster, that was my audience, and you were my foil.  

    This, is true.
    Choose to believe what ever else you want.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #200 - September 09, 2014, 11:12 PM

    Quote
    Self-belief or belief in man's intellect denies a belief in anything that cannot be proved.


    The opposite of which is called gullibility.

    There are many interesting findings on the origins of spirituality. Homo sapiens (us) may not have been the first species of hominid to develop a sense of spirituality, either. Just because this spirituality seems intuitive does not mean it is always accurate.

    Life is, and has always been, a hard thing. Certain traits develop in us to help us survive, regardless of whether we like them or appreciate them. I for one really enjoy sex. It's a great thing. But as much as I think I find it great because of me, it's actually more to do with my evolution. As human beings who can "choose" whether or not we would like kids, evolving to find sex pleasurable meant that we were sure to do it whether we wanted children or not. Nature selected those traits.

    On the other end of the spectrum is pain. I hate pain. If I had to choose between feeling pain or not feeling pain, I'd almost always choose the latter. But feeling pain keeps me alive. It keeps me from doing stupid things like jumping into fires or banging my head into brick walls. Those things would kill me, so the ability to feel pain, as much as I hate it, is an evolutionary advantage.

    The same appears to be true of spirituality. We human beings are a remarkably frail species. We're not particularly strong. We're not that fast. Our skin breaks remarkably easy and we are susceptible to all sorts of infections. The only thing that would really save us in the wild is our evolved intelligence. Our ability to learn from our mistakes, our ability to remember things, our ability to out smart our predators - it all literally saved our lives.

    But there is a trade off. With knowing things comes knowing the fact that we are going to die and that this entire exercise of survival is ultimately futile. With the ability to form close bonds - which take place in our brains and increase our chances at surviving together - comes that feeling of despair and depression when those bonds are broken. With the ability to live together comes the necessity of some sort of uniquely human moral framework.  (Human morality would not work with Lions.)

    With all of this comes what we call spirituality. It is a survival and coping mechanism. I'd agree with you that it may not always be wise to suppress those innate feelings. But I'd caution you from building your understanding of the universe solely on them.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #201 - September 09, 2014, 11:13 PM

    I was trying to prove how predictable you'd be.
    With going back and forth with sometimes 3-4 waiting in line, my objective was to reach the others reading and watching how even the "scientific" belief system was the first to resort to; denigration, name calling, questioning of sanity... "Scientific" resorts to the same tactics that other man made belief systems resort to when threatened.
    If you consider that there were perhaps 10 readers to every 1 poster, that was my audience, and you were my foil.  

    This, is true.
    Choose to believe what ever else you want.


    Cool, so like I said:

    Quote
    So you're telling me that you came on here with the sole intention of giving a remarkably poor sermon, so intentionally awful, so purposefully rife with error and nonsense, and all in order to demonstrate that the readers of this nonsense will question your sanity and demand evidence? That if you offer us scientific evidence and say that you have it, we will accept and ask for it, and be disappointed when you give us broken urls?


    So you insist that you are even more foolish than I gave you credit for. I accept, I guess?
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #202 - September 09, 2014, 11:16 PM

    If you consider that there were perhaps 10 readers to every 1 poster, that was my audience, and you were my foil.  


    If there are 10 readers to every 1 poster, I'm willing to bet that they're fairly unlikely to accept that you were capable of any such thing.

    Incidentally, laughing boy, any response to this?

    If god - or gods - exist, the proof of their existence would not be contingent upon what we feel about them, but, rather, be beyond question. Here, then, is your chance to settle an age-old issue: what is this proof?


  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #203 - September 09, 2014, 11:17 PM

    Golly Gosh, for someone who said in his introduction that he was here to learn more about Islam, Carpentaro is laying on the Christian preaching with a trowel.

    As I strongly suspected, Carpentaro is here with an agenda to save lost souls.  That much was patently obvious from his first post, though he tried to hide his true intentions in a most disingenuous way.

    This man is so intent on proselytizing that he is unable (and unwilling) to accept any view which is contrary to his own.  This, as we have already seen, manifests itself in angry and immoderate outbursts.

    He has failed to answer my comments on his introduction page, the main reason being that he has no logical answer.

    The bible was cobbled together at the Council of Nicaea in 325 ad, and represents the political ambitions of the murderer, Constantine.  Bishops who opposed his primacy over the church were ambushed and murdered en route, and those who did make it were physically bullied into accepting Constantine's points of reference.  Constantine and his criminal cronies decided what would go into the bible, and what texts would be left out.  

    The church, then as now, was about controlling people's lives, and has always been used to fool people into accepting their status and subjugation by bloody priests.

    The bible is NOT the word of god, it is the instrument by which (stupid) people have been controlled by devious tyrants.

    There are 4,200 recognised religions in the World, each of which has several sub-denominations.  Many of them have their own holy book, and all of them are equally deluded.

    I always try to live my life without hurting anyone, and make a point of helping people whenever I can.  I have been involved with a number of charitable organisations, and have actually rolled my sleeves up to help vulnerable people.  My motivation is not some abstract vision of a deity, and I get extremely angry with religious people who claim for themselves the moral high ground.  It is perfectly possible to live a decent and honourable life without attributing it to a god, and I know many very decent people who do just that.

    Kind Regards,
    Stephen.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #204 - September 09, 2014, 11:17 PM

    ............ Self-belief or belief in man's intellect denies a belief in anything that cannot be proved.........

    Noooo.,    it just stays as UNPROVEN BELIEF  until it is proven one way or other way..

    Quote
    I do not need to prove that people have a "spiritual nature", they already know it.

    You are very thoughtful guy ., so you must know this "spiritual nature" of human being is very little to do with religions and religious beliefs.. They are dime a dozen right?

    Any ways explain me this "spiritual nature of human being"  

    with best regards
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #205 - September 09, 2014, 11:18 PM

    Once again, predictable mistake on your part. Even though you do not understand the first thing about the field of science, you feel qualified to define it and label it, and you think that I and others should benefit from your stabs in the dark. If so, that's good news for me, as I will be starting lua's Big Book of Plumbing, lua's Aerospace Guide for Dummies, and lua's Definitive Resource on Christianity and all things Jesus. Going by your logic, the fact that I know little at most about these subjects shouldn't be a problem, and for every one reader who calls me on my nonsense, there will be ten others who believe that "knowledge" and "facts" are subjective and will buy my books. I expect you to buy them, too. I'll dedicate one to you.  yes

    If you had caught me a few months ago before I got weary of this song and dance, I would have spent a great deal of time explaining it to you. In fact, there's a thread around here somewhere where I spent days trying to break it down for another user who, like you, was unable to process it. And that's fine, but you'll forgive me and others with even the most basic understanding of science for being less than impressed with the conclusions you're forming based off of your own ignorance. And it doesn't matter anyway, as you're quite content to be oblivious.

    But anyway, back to your "I tripped but I meant to do that" claim that you're selling right now. So you're telling me that you came on here with the sole intention of giving a remarkably poor sermon, so intentionally awful, so purposefully rife with error and nonsense, and all in order to demonstrate that the readers of this nonsense will question your sanity and demand evidence? That if you offer us scientific evidence and say that you have it, we will accept and ask for it, and be disappointed when you give us broken urls?

    You had the opportunity to invite our poor souls to be saved, to convince us of the truth of Christianity, to show us the scientific evidence you initially claimed to have to support the Bible, and instead you decided not to bestow your knowledge and your best sermons and your real-life evidence on us?  That it's all a jester's dance and you're just thrilled to have an audience? I must say, carpentaro, that that's not very Christian-like of you. In fact, I'm going to bring you up when I'm being questioned by St. Peter at the pearly gates. I could have been a good Christian, but Carpentaro decided to be stingy with his mind-blowing knowledge.

    Sadly, I don't think that's the case. I do, however, think you couldn't come up with anything more compelling if you tried, that you're functioning at maximum capacity as it stands, and I'm pretty sure you're going to look less foolish if you just admit that you walked in here thinking you were awfully clever and found you didn't have as many tricks up your sleeve as you thought you did. But admitting that would require a little bit of humility. That's a thing you're supposed to like as a Christian, right?  Wink

    I can understand why you might be a bit grumpy, and if I've hurt your feeling, I'm sorry.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #206 - September 09, 2014, 11:19 PM

    I was trying to prove how predictable you'd be.
    With going back and forth with sometimes 3-4 waiting in line, my objective was to reach the others reading and watching how even the "scientific" belief system was the first to resort to; denigration, name calling, questioning of sanity... "Scientific" resorts to the same tactics that other man made belief systems resort to when threatened.
    If you consider that there were perhaps 10 readers to every 1 poster, that was my audience, and you were my foil.  

    This, is true.
    Choose to believe what ever else you want.

    Could you briefly outline which of your arguments you feel will be the most compelling to those readers please?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #207 - September 09, 2014, 11:24 PM

    I can understand why you might be a bit grumpy, and if I've hurt your feeling, I'm sorry.

     Cheesy Cheesy    lua getting hurt by your words??

    carpenter ...carpenter ...... carpentaro  .. don't worry about her ., she probes molecules that built  the mind ., but I wonder about your words,  often you write as if you are THAT CARPENTER .. It is ok to have very high regard of themselves., but one has to learn to look at the other side of the coin also..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #208 - September 09, 2014, 11:26 PM

    If god - or gods - exist, the proof of their existence would not be contingent upon what we feel about them, but, rather, be beyond question. Here, then, is your chance to settle an age-old issue: what is this proof?

    My point is that not everything is provable.
  • Why Allah is unlike any other deity
     Reply #209 - September 09, 2014, 11:28 PM

    Could you briefly outline which of your arguments you feel will be the most compelling to those readers please?

    That science does not provide ALL the answers.
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