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  • Hello
     OP - July 04, 2014, 08:56 PM
    Hi

    I'm from Malaysia and a Muslim Atheism.

    I have failed to understand other denominations so I choose to build my personal belief, peace!  yes
    Matheism
  • Hello
     Reply #1 - July 04, 2014, 09:00 PM
    Selamat datang ke CEMB  parrot  bunny

    What makes your athiesm specifically Muslim, rather than just not believing in any Gods?
    Before it gets too late, you will find escape.
  • Hello
     Reply #2 - July 04, 2014, 09:04 PM
    Thank you. . . I disbelief in god, deity, Allah and religion . . but follow the practical teachings from the Quran.
    Matheism
  • Hello
     Reply #3 - July 04, 2014, 09:22 PM
    Welcome to the forum. Have a parrot. parrot
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Hello
     Reply #4 - July 04, 2014, 09:45 PM
    Thanks  grin12
    Matheism
  • Hello
     Reply #5 - July 05, 2014, 03:15 AM
    Welcome Muslim Atheism,  Smiley
    Are you still living in Malaysia?
     parrot bunny
  • Hello
     Reply #6 - July 05, 2014, 06:25 AM
    welcome! Smiley
    Interesting ideas.
    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Hello
     Reply #7 - July 05, 2014, 06:46 AM
    Welcome Smiley

    Quote from: muslim atheism on July 04, 2014, 09:04 PM
    but follow the practical teachings from the Quran.


    Interesting. Could you elaborate on what you mean by 'practical teachings from the quran'?
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Hello
     Reply #8 - July 05, 2014, 07:18 PM
    Quote from: muslim atheism on July 04, 2014, 09:04 PM
    Thank you. . . I disbelief in god, deity, Allah and religion . . but follow the practical teachings from the Quran.


    Welcome, and good for you.  Afro

    I myself, when asked these days, often reply that I'm an Agnostic Muslim and/or Freethinking Muslim as it makes life a lot easier when living amongst Muslims, and I feel quite comfortable in that identity. It allows me the freedom to use my own conscience and choice about those aspects I wish to reject or incorporate into my life.
  • Hello
     Reply #9 - July 06, 2014, 12:28 AM
    Quote from: Doubting Tomas on July 05, 2014, 03:15 AM
    Welcome Muslim Atheism,  Smiley
    Are you still living in Malaysia?
     parrot bunny


    Thank you. and yes, I'm still living in Malaysia. . you've been here?  Afro
    Matheism
  • Re: Hello
     Reply #10 - July 06, 2014, 12:46 AM
    Quote from: allat on July 05, 2014, 06:46 AM
    Interesting. Could you elaborate on what you mean by 'practical teachings from the quran'?


    It is about ignoring the mutasyaabihat (3.7). . . Allah, hell, paradise, satan and all the allegorical are the nonsense. . . The nonsense in the Quran is for the hypocrites and the disbelievers (74.31). It is the system of Allah to help Believers identify the hypocrites in their community.

    On the other hand, True Muslim has "no doubt", "fear" or "grievances" because they are "certain about life" and don't entertain the nonsense. The true Muslim focuses on the "Deen", ie. practical Muslim living, and not living in the illusion of the past or future, but "present" . They follow what is entirely clear and provable from the Quran, and leave which cannot be proven through facts.
    Matheism
  • Hello
     Reply #11 - July 06, 2014, 12:50 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on July 05, 2014, 07:18 PM
    Welcome, and good for you.  Afro

    I myself, when asked these days, often reply that I'm an Agnostic Muslim and/or Freethinking Muslim as it makes life a lot easier when living amongst Muslims, and I feel quite comfortable in that identity. It allows me the freedom to use my own conscience and choice about those aspects I wish to reject or incorporate into my life.


    Thank you. . I believe Islam is about Atheism and it was sent to end religion through unity within diversity and freedom of religion. The difference is that the atheistic ideas are the product of the same fundamental egoic consciousness that otherwise produces theistic or conventional religious ideas. Islam is about dissolving self and ego, and the discovery of truth from the internal and external consciousness.
    Matheism
  • Hello
     Reply #12 - July 06, 2014, 12:50 AM
    Late welcome!  parrot
  • Hello
     Reply #13 - July 06, 2014, 12:51 AM
     thnkyu all!
    Matheism
  • Hello
     Reply #14 - July 06, 2014, 01:22 AM
    Welcome muslim atheism Smiley I dont know if I am too new of a member to be giving out parrots. Regardless, here is your parrot  parrot

    Coincidently, when I was in " dream mode", during taraweeh prayer, I was thinking  and hoping if there is a way for the current islam to be reformed. If this idea you have about islam being about atheism really is based on sound knowledge, I sure would like to hear more.
  • Hello
     Reply #15 - July 06, 2014, 02:08 AM
    Thank you. .  Smiley

    The soundness of any interpretation uses the same logical principle we known today, ie. it must based on ALL true premises. . . and no valid interpretation can have one or more false premises and a true conclusion.

                  And do not mix the Truth with Falsehood (2:42)

                 

                  Do they not reflect on the Qur'an? <- this is referring to the interpretation
                  If it was from any other than God
                  they would have found in it many a discrepancy. <- ie. wrong interpretation, one or more false premises
                  4:82

    Therefore and through simple logic , anyone can verify the truth of any interpretation from the Quran.
    Matheism
  • Hello
     Reply #16 - July 06, 2014, 03:08 AM
    An issue is people confuse a logically valid argument, say the Moral Argument, with an argument's truth claim or true conclusion.

    Also the verse is an error. A number of books, phrases or just scribbling can contain no errors and not be from God.

    I am walking down to the store after I post this message. - Bogart the Almighty.
  • Hello
     Reply #17 - July 06, 2014, 03:46 AM
    Yes, that's what normally happen and even unable to identify the issue. However, the principle is useful for verifying the truth in any statements (interpretations). . .and it is also true, there are errors of translation because no one speak the Quraish Dialect today. . however, the beauty of the system in the Quran is if it cannot be verified with entirely clear premises, then it is the allegorical. Ignores and focus on the entirely clear premises, it is freedom and forgiven by Allah (5.101, 2.286).
    Matheism
  • Hello
     Reply #18 - July 06, 2014, 04:59 AM
    Quote from: bogart on July 06, 2014, 03:08 AM
    An issue is people confuse a logically valid argument, say the Moral Argument, with an argument's truth claim or true conclusion.

    Also the verse is an error. A number of books, phrases or just scribbling can contain no errors and not be from God.

    I am walking down to the store after I post this message. - Bogart the Almighty.

     Cheesy
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Hello
     Reply #19 - July 06, 2014, 09:45 AM
    Quote from: muslim atheism on July 06, 2014, 12:50 AM
    Thank you. . I believe Islam is about Atheism and it was sent to end religion through unity within diversity and freedom of religion. The difference is that the atheistic ideas are the product of the same fundamental egoic consciousness that otherwise produces theistic or conventional religious ideas. Islam is about dissolving self and ego, and the discovery of truth from the internal and external consciousness.


    Hmmmm... ok, well good luck with that

  • Hello
     Reply #20 - July 06, 2014, 09:49 AM
    Oh, so you're a cultural Muslim then?
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • Hello
     Reply #21 - July 06, 2014, 09:38 PM
    Culture is based on the followers, and not from the main source of that ideology. There are one missing premise, did they follow what is taught from the Quran? It is easier to describe as "The Practical Ethical Code", it is personal and a system without leader, sect or followers. Everyone are leaders.

    Matheism
  • Hello
     Reply #22 - July 06, 2014, 10:20 PM
    Welcome, Muslim Atheism!  parrot

    I don't really follow your ideas but whatever, you seem like a nice dude. You're a dude, right?
    The future is full of thrilling possibilities.
  • Hello
     Reply #23 - July 06, 2014, 10:38 PM
    Quote from: muslim atheism on July 04, 2014, 09:04 PM
    but follow the practical teachings from the Quran.

    Arse cleanliness is next to Godliness.
  • Hello
     Reply #24 - July 06, 2014, 11:20 PM
    Thank you and yes I am. .

    Quote
    Arse cleanliness is next to Godliness.


    it's about nature.  . and religion is about good, but the true system cannot be about good alone. .
    it must be about good and evil, oneness, the yin and yang
    and true understanding that brings everything into life. .

    goodness without wisdom always accomplishes evil
    Matheism
  • Hello
     Reply #25 - July 07, 2014, 12:01 AM
    Hello from another Malaysian !
    Kirim nasi lemak can?  Tongue
  • Hello
     Reply #26 - July 07, 2014, 02:52 AM
    Quote from: muslim atheism on July 06, 2014, 12:28 AM
    Thank you. and yes, I'm still living in Malaysia. . you've been here?  Afro

    Yep, I've been to a number of places on your archipelago alright.
  • Hello
     Reply #27 - July 07, 2014, 03:16 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on July 05, 2014, 07:18 PM
    Welcome, and good for you.  Afro

    I myself, when asked these days, often reply that I'm an Agnostic Muslim and/or Freethinking Muslim as it makes life a lot easier when living amongst Muslims, and I feel quite comfortable in that identity. It allows me the freedom to use my own conscience and choice about those aspects I wish to reject or incorporate into my life.

    Yep or how about "I'm a Muslim alright . . .an ex Muslim that is. " One day my friends . . . one day.
  • Hello
     Reply #28 - July 07, 2014, 05:07 AM
    hello 

    Haha there are a lot more of us Malaysians than I expected. Interesting views. Not sure i agree, but each to his own.

    Oh i think im supposed to put this here  parrot
  • Hello
     Reply #29 - July 07, 2014, 09:41 PM
    Quote from: hippiegandhi on July 07, 2014, 12:01 AM
    Hello from another Malaysian !
    Kirim nasi lemak can?  Tongue


    Here you go, it tastes better during Ramadhan . .  . Afro



    Matheism
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