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  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     OP - July 06, 2014, 05:31 PM

    Hello and greetings to all !  grin12

    I was from reddit and was jumping sites, here and there looking for a really secure place to express my feelings. And I found this forum ! and I am so so relief now. I was a bit paranoid about this coming out as an exmuslim-malay Malaysian online because they took away our freedom of speech on the internet, including facebook or twitter.  Cry

    So my long-story short, I had always been a disbeliever, I think  Huh?.  As far as I know, my dad and my brother are very liberal. Sometimes, I saw my brother in the mall during friday prayers  Cheesy, I had seen my dad being infidel with my step-mom and sit next to him drinking wine,  whistling2 but I kept it to myself. However, my mom and both my sisters are really pious. To make things worse, my mom's sister, with whom she lives with (because my parents are divorced), is bit very radical. She visits Mecca at least once a year and I sense that her husband is playing part in this whole terrorist thing.
    As most exmuslim here too, I had always been forced to pray and wear hijab, especially when I'm staying under the same roof as my mom. But the most infuriating thing about them to me, is their recent moral values. They are the most arrogant, hypocrite, bigot, resentful, racist, and intolerant people I had ever met. I swear before 9/11, they were completely different people. My mom was a liberal muslim, happy and very kind person and my sister, she was cool and open-minded. Now I feel like as if someone had changed my biological family. I guess people do change, from good to bad or vice versa. Either way, they are still my family and I love them unconditionally. Although I think they love their god and the promise of heaven more than what they already have in this world. We had our own version of rough moments after my parent's divorce and I feel like they've surrendered 100% to god as if they have no more hopes left in this world.

    So that's my family in my country. I am now studying overseas in Europe (I don't want to be specific because I'm under the contract of government's scholarship) and since then, I have my freedom to do whatever I want. I can think and question whatever I want. I can experience my life however I want. I've been experimenting myself with THC & other drugs and I had never been bettah! bunny However, other Malaysian students here love to gossip and talk bad about others (typical muslim eih?). So when my family heard this (I don't even know how they could have connection to my family) they tried to brainwash me again the last time I went back during the summer. They even tried to blackmail me if they ever hear me enjoying my free life again, they want me stop my studies here.  finmad

    At this present, I'm in love with a deutsch. He's the one who made me more motivated in my studies, my future and to truly come out from this religion and not feel bad about it. He accepted me as myself, with my weakness and my imperfection and he never stops telling me how pretty inside and out I am. I never ever had this feeling of joy and love before, not even from my own family. I'm glad I found him. However, I know I have to sweep him under a rug, but that's not fair especially I've already met his wonderful family. He really wants to come to Malaysia with me but I know there's a lot of bad than good consequences to that. I have 3 years left until I finish my studies and I honestly do not want to go back to that hell hole. I want to settle down with him here, but I don't know how. And even if I do know how, I don't want to cut my relationship with my family. I don't want to be hypocrites like them.

    The only thing I can do now is to hold tight until my studies over. But how long til I have to keep this from my overprotective family? and what should I do next ? Can I change my residential status after certain period into something permanent? I don't care losing my malaysian right's but I don't want to get ban from M'sia either.

    And can I please have a parrot, pleeeeaseee !

  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #1 - July 06, 2014, 05:33 PM

    Welcome, here's your parrot
  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #2 - July 06, 2014, 05:43 PM

    Welcome  parrot

    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
     Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
     Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
     Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God." - Epicurus
  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #3 - July 06, 2014, 06:15 PM

    Welcome!
    You can have a parrot and a bunny!  parrot bunny

    The future is full of thrilling possibilities.
  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #4 - July 06, 2014, 07:16 PM

     parrot

    Welcome!

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #5 - July 06, 2014, 07:35 PM

    Thank you Smiley  Smiley
  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #6 - July 06, 2014, 07:48 PM

    If you're really serious about this guy you could have a civil marriage and then you could get a spousal visa and after you have lived in the country for a certain period of time you can get permanent residency.

    I don't know how it works where you are now but that was what I did wen I moved to England and got married. I don't have British citizenship but I do have indefinite leave to remain there.

    Hope this helps.

    And, here's your  parrot

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #7 - July 07, 2014, 12:21 AM

    Thank you Nour, I appreciate that. I'll look into it. However, if I did have a civil marriage here, I need to register that in Malaysia too and thus I have to convert my future husband in order of having a "legal" marriage. I don't want that, but I do want to be able to come back and see my family freely.  Cry
  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #8 - July 07, 2014, 12:54 AM

    However, if I did have a civil marriage here, I need to register that in Malaysia too and thus I have to convert my future husband in order of having a "legal" marriage.

    You don't need to register it in Malaysia at all. It will be a legal German marriage, end of story. Don't even think of asking him to 'convert' to a religion even you don't believe in. You won't lose the right to return to Malaysia, I'm sure.

    I am legally married to a Japanese person, but I haven't registered it with the British authorities, as we're not living there.

    Study hard, give yourself to love, don't push your relationship faster than it wants to go, and frequent places where fellow Malays are unlikely to be found - the quiet sofa at the back of the pub. Anyone who saw you there would probably want you to keep it quiet too.

    Good luck.
  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #9 - July 07, 2014, 01:12 AM

    Thank you Nour, I appreciate that. I'll look into it. However, if I did have a civil marriage here, I need to register that in Malaysia too and thus I have to convert my future husband in order of having a "legal" marriage. I don't want that, but I do want to be able to come back and see my family freely.  Cry


    Doesn't Malay law accept UK marriages?
  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #10 - July 07, 2014, 01:28 AM

    Welcome!  parrot
  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #11 - July 07, 2014, 02:57 AM

    Salamat datang Hippiegandhi,   Smiley
    It must be hard going back to a country that has zero tolerance for atheism.
    Anyway have a  parrot and a  bunny
  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #12 - July 07, 2014, 04:54 AM

    Hello  parrot

    Nice to know there are other Malaysian disbelievers. Which part of Malaysia are you from?
  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #13 - July 07, 2014, 05:14 AM

    Selamat datang hippiegandhi. It's always good to see another Malaysian join the forum, hope you stick around.

    You wouldn't lose the right to return to Malaysia if you married a foreigner in a civil ceremony overseas. He wouldn't get a residents visa though if you ever decided to live there, but even then he could always hop to Singapore every couple of months to renew his tourist visa - not very satisfactory I know.

    Here's a welcome parrot for you  parrot
  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #14 - July 07, 2014, 07:13 AM

    Thank you everyone Smiley Let's go for 1Malaysia  whistling2

    It must be hard going back to a country that has zero tolerance for atheism.


    It is scary. Being a moderate muslim is already hard enough with the JAIS fixing eyes on them. Oh have you heard recent news with the diplomat in NZ ? That's so outraging !


  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #15 - July 07, 2014, 08:18 AM

    ...frequent places where fellow Malays are unlikely to be found - the quiet sofa at the back of the pub. Anyone who saw you there would probably want you to keep it quiet too.


    Hahaha I like you  dance
  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #16 - July 07, 2014, 11:14 AM

    Welcome parrot and good luck Smiley 
  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #17 - July 07, 2014, 12:40 PM

    Welcome. parrot

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #18 - July 07, 2014, 12:52 PM

    Hello  parrot

    Nice to know there are other Malaysian disbelievers. Which part of Malaysia are you from?

    Malaysian Possie in the house . . .lol. Cheesy
    It is scary. Being a moderate muslim is already hard enough with the JAIS fixing eyes on them. Oh have you heard recent news with the diplomat in NZ ? That's so outraging !

    I haven't heard that news story, will check it out when I have time and what have the government done with your Twitter and facebook, heavy sensorship I presume? Who are JAIS, is that another name for PAS?

  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #19 - July 07, 2014, 12:58 PM

    Despite it being hailed as a moderate muslim majority country, my impression of the place is that it would be far harder to find an active group of ex muslims or atheists there, even online than say Turkey or some where more hardline like Iran.
  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #20 - July 07, 2014, 02:37 PM

    Selamat datang ke CEMB  parrot

    @Doubting Tomas: JAIS are Selangor's providers of religious police (Jabatan Agama Islam Selangor, to give them their full title, or 'Selangor Islamic Affairs Department'). They have a poor reputation, unsurprisingly.
  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #21 - July 07, 2014, 02:44 PM

    Welcome! I hope you like it here! And have a parrot  parrot

    "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #22 - July 07, 2014, 02:50 PM

    Despite it being hailed as a moderate muslim majority country, my impression of the place is that it would be far harder to find an active group of ex muslims or atheists there, even online than say Turkey or some where more hardline like Iran.

    We're talking about a country that has "re-education centres" for those who want to leave the religion. Why it's hailed as proof islam and democracy can go hand in hand baffles me when I consider this.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #23 - July 07, 2014, 04:52 PM

    I haven't heard that news story, will check it out when I have time and what have the government done with your Twitter and facebook, heavy sensorship I presume? Who are JAIS, is that another name for PAS?



    here it is with the Malaysian diplomat http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-28102772

    and the JAIS http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/another-jais-botch-up-accused-of-wrongful-arrest-and-abuse-of-power
  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #24 - July 07, 2014, 05:07 PM

    Welcome  parrot

    And to think I was going to move to malaysia with my older brother

    allah saved me  Cheesy

    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #25 - July 07, 2014, 07:14 PM

    Welcome to the forum Smiley

    ^ praise be to allah Cheesy
  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #26 - July 07, 2014, 08:17 PM

    Hold up, Malaysia has religious police?! Are they like the Saudi and Iranian religious police? 
  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #27 - July 07, 2014, 09:27 PM

    Quote from: hippiegandhi


    There's nothing worse than a bored cop. Except a bored shariah cop. These idiots have too much time on their hands so they go around harassing innocent people for kicks, and they don't give a shit if they ruin people's lives... Fucking Islam, fucking religion.

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #28 - July 07, 2014, 09:52 PM

    hi hippiegandhi, great to have you here  Smiley

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • I'm a malaysian and I'm done with this religion crap.
     Reply #29 - July 07, 2014, 10:24 PM

    Hi hippiegandhi, I'm a newbie here Smiley

    The Muslim countries of Southeast Asia, Malaysia included, are seen as more liberal than the Arab nations but Islam is still entrenched in the bureaucracy and political system. Malaysia requires any non-Muslims, whether locals or foreigners, to convert before they can marry local Muslims.

    My heart goes out to you because it's painful to choose between a lovely man and your family. You can get married in Germany in a civil ceremony and get your visa status changed to the spouse of an EU resident but Malaysia will not recognize your marriage. Your partner can come to Malaysia on a visitor visa but cannot stay on a longer term.

    For that to happen, your partner has to convert to Islam and both of you get married in an Islamic nikah ceremony in a recognized place like a mosque, with the imam acting as your legal guardian. This can be done in Germany if you can find the places and supporting paperwork. The marriage can be registered later with Malaysian religious departments although you could be subject to a fine or possible imprisonment (!) for contravening state-level Islamic regulations by marrying outside the country.

    Alternatively, you could bring partner to Malaysia, get him converted at a recognized Islamic body or religious department, then do a nikah ceremony at a mosque. The local religious department might ask for a mountain of paperwork though. Your resulting Islamic marriage certificate will be legally recognized by the Malaysian government for purposes of inheritance, immigration and employment later on.

    Don't ask me how I know all this Wink
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