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 Topic: Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!

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     Reply #60 - August 05, 2014, 02:10 PM
    Is the title of this thread awesome or what!
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #61 - August 05, 2014, 02:11 PM
    No.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #62 - August 05, 2014, 02:12 PM
    Quote from: mubs_352 on August 05, 2014, 02:10 PM
    Is the title of this thread awesome or what!

    Hmm.. indeed it is.. but this is funny story  published in today's' Dawn.,,

     http://www.dawn.com/news/1123402/modi-reveals-his-nepalese-foster-son

    what do you think about that mubs_352 ..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #63 - August 05, 2014, 02:15 PM
    Is that a trick question? Well, I think its ok. Not sure if it will change the country a great-deal.

    What do you think?
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #64 - August 05, 2014, 02:17 PM
    Quote from: mubs_352 on August 05, 2014, 02:15 PM
    Is that a trick question? Well, I think its ok. Not sure if it will change the country a great-deal.

    What do you think?

    well I didn't read that article at that link but I was reading responses  under  that article and  one guy said

    "Never trust American Administration, they with the rulers, US Administration always to use the rulers when ever they want." 

    So i though it must be good one for you to read...
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
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     Reply #65 - August 05, 2014, 02:30 PM
    I should have mentioned that in the excerpts, I had removed all the references, to keep it shorter as there were a lot. If you click on the link it will have the full text with all the references (Biblical, Greek etc).

    It could be that as there are no scholarly references in the text, it looks more like personal opinion then something scholarly.
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     Reply #66 - August 05, 2014, 02:55 PM
    Quote from: mubs_352 on August 05, 2014, 01:32 PM
    Meeting fate with courage
    Truth/Reason
    A relationship with God not based on fear


    1. Meeting fate with courage. Whether this is truly a value of the Indo-European people is far from definite since we actually know so little about - but let's assume it is - tell me what religion, ideology, view or whatever - does not advocate this? The Abrahamic religions which you seem to think are so inferior to these Indo-European religious values - are no different in this respect.

    2. Truth/Reason - What truth and reason is contained in believing in the Hindu Gods, Nordic Gods, Greek Gods etc...?

    3. A relationship with God not based on fear - Which God/gods is that? Please be specific? Is it Zuess? Vishnu? Thor?  Are you saying you have a relationship with one of them that is not based on fear? Does he share his cream doughnuts with you or what? Could you please explain how this relationship works?

    So that's it?

    This is what you gain from this book?

    You seem like someone who is desperately trying to find an identity in this bollocks.

    My advice. Don't waste your time.

  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #67 - August 05, 2014, 03:20 PM
    Good questions, Abu Ali, this is the type questioning I prefer. I will respond this evening when I get home.
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     Reply #68 - August 05, 2014, 03:39 PM
    Quote from: mubs_352 on August 05, 2014, 10:38 AM
    Some excerpts from THE RELIGIOUS ATTITUDES OF THE INDO-EUROPEANS
    http://www.theapricity.com/earlson/raie/for.htm

    A very good read for anyone critiquing the Abrahamic religions. The writer has some misplaced slightly racist views but (a product of time and place) but otherwise an excellent resource.

    I have removed references from the below for the sake of brevity. But the original version in the link has them all.


    Only Chapters 2 and 3 covered below
    ---------------------------------------------



    What a crock of Nazi BS.

    You'd better be careful, mubs. Posting Nazi propaganda on this site is going to get you banned. We'll give you 1 more chance to prove that you should or shouldn't be banned. Any more pro-nazi, pro-honour killings, pro-slavery BS and you're done from here.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #69 - August 05, 2014, 03:43 PM
    And yeah that ^ is your last warning.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
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     Reply #70 - August 05, 2014, 03:55 PM
    There is no mod but allat.
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #71 - August 05, 2014, 04:34 PM
    And I am the first of the believers!  worship
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     Reply #72 - August 05, 2014, 04:44 PM
    Quote from: allat on August 05, 2014, 03:39 PM
    What a crock of Nazi BS.

    You'd better be careful, mubs. Posting Nazi propaganda on this site is going to get you banned. We'll give you 1 more chance to prove that you should or shouldn't be banned. Any more pro-nazi, pro-honour killings, pro-slavery BS and you're done from here.


    Not everything in the book has to be take as Nazi propoganda. A lot of it has scholarly merit for its comparison of IE religions with the Abrahamic ones. I think you're overreacting, but you're the Mod. I suppose I could have just copied and pasted and not given the link to the book but I thought that would be lame. I dont think if someone saw what was in my third post they would neccessarily consider it 'Nazi propoganda'.

    Anyway, I am going to try and answer Abu Ali's question. I dont have any racist perspective on this so I hope that is clear in my reply and I wont be accused of that.
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #73 - August 05, 2014, 04:47 PM
    Surely you can see that praising works, selective though they may be, from these types of nutters would raise a few eyebrows.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #74 - August 05, 2014, 04:53 PM
    I can see that its controversial, and I said at the beginning that he was a racist. But if we stopped discussing anything just cos its controversial what would happen to this forum. I'l try and not get banned but..

    "The nobly born must nobly meet his fate"
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #75 - August 05, 2014, 04:58 PM
    Mkay. I also think you have a romanticised view on the ancient gods as a whole.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #76 - August 05, 2014, 05:12 PM
    Quote from: mubs_352 on August 05, 2014, 04:53 PM
    I can see that its controversial, and I said at the beginning that he was a racist. But if we stopped discussing anything just cos its controversial what would happen to this forum. I'l try and not get banned but..

    "The nobly born must nobly meet his fate"


    No...the contents were blatantly racist too and you can't seem to get that. Abu even cited a passage. It is neo-Nazi propaganda and I will dispute the scholarly worth of the work based upon the fact that such Nazi sympathisers had a very skewed history of the world, infact they made shit up in order to accomodate their own particular brand of bat shit crazy ideas.

    In retrospect, many modern day scholars are at pains to divorce their research from ideological pursuits and receive a wider readership and cross pollination of ideas therefore under critical review any inconsistencies, fabrications or racist input will be identified and the author taken to task. Cite modern work. When looking at Qur'anic development for example, it is sheer stupidity to hold up Noldeke or Goldziher and say this is the height of scholarly work on this issue (though Noldeke has stood up very well).
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #77 - August 05, 2014, 05:14 PM
    Quote from: mubs_352 on August 05, 2014, 04:53 PM
    "The nobly born must nobly meet his fate"


    If this is said in jest:  whistling2

    If you're serious then fuck off you troll. Nobody is born noble. We are all born kicking and screaming with no divine plan and there is no fate only circumstances.  grin12
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #78 - August 05, 2014, 05:19 PM
    Nobly-born doesnt mean born into a certain ethnicity, it depends on behaviour. I wouldnt consider any all member of any ethnicity to be nobly-born. It is said in jest but I think being Noble is one of the highest virtues in the meaning...

    Noble=having or showing fine personal qualities or high moral principles
     
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #79 - August 05, 2014, 05:21 PM
    Who mentioned ethnicity or race? You're the one who seems to be obsessed with it.

    I know what 'noble' means. And noble you are not for a noble person would not make others aware of their nobility, they would let others identify it in them.
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #80 - August 05, 2014, 05:21 PM
    Quote from: Jedi on August 05, 2014, 05:12 PM
    No...the contents were blatantly racist too and you can't seem to get that. Abu even cited a passage.


    Abu's passage was not from what I pasted but other parts of the book which i put a disclaimer for.
  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #81 - August 05, 2014, 05:23 PM
    Quote from: mubs_352 on August 05, 2014, 04:44 PM
    Not everything in the book has to be take as Nazi propoganda. A lot of it has scholarly merit for its comparison of IE religions with the Abrahamic ones. I think you're overreacting, but you're the Mod. I suppose I could have just copied and pasted and not given the link to the book but I thought that would be lame. I dont think if someone saw what was in my third post they would neccessarily consider it 'Nazi propoganda'.

    Anyway, I am going to try and answer Abu Ali's question. I dont have any racist perspective on this so I hope that is clear in my reply and I wont be accused of that.


    Reflect on what she said. Don't post Nazi ideologues, or prejudicial rhetoric around here or you will be banned.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Enter, for here the Gods also dwell!
     Reply #82 - August 05, 2014, 05:24 PM
    Quote from: Jedi on August 05, 2014, 05:14 PM
    If this is said in jest:  whistling2

    If you're serious then fuck off you troll. Nobody is born noble. We are all born kicking and screaming with no divine plan and there is no fate only circumstances.  grin12

    I was. Cool
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #83 - August 05, 2014, 05:25 PM
    Ok, I said it in jest. But you know what I meant...

    If not, I meant that I believe I am (or atleast trying) to do the noble thing, and if for whatever reason I get banned, then I will accept it nobly.
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     Reply #84 - August 05, 2014, 05:26 PM
    Quote from: billy on August 05, 2014, 05:23 PM
    Reflect on what she said. Don't post Nazi ideologues, or prejudicial rhetoric around here or you will be banned.




    Honestly I just wanted to talk about IE vs Abrahamic religions and gave a disclaimer that the guy was a racist.
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     Reply #85 - August 05, 2014, 05:32 PM
    Quote from: Jedi on August 05, 2014, 05:12 PM
    I will dispute the scholarly worth of the work based upon the fact that such Nazi sympathisers had a very skewed history of the world, infact they made shit up in order to accomodate their own particular brand of bat shit crazy ideas.


    Mate, I dispute even work written today due it's prejudiced origins. Even modern academia is influenced by some of these views, see the discussion on IE history in my thread on Zoroastrianism. Any work can be prejudiced, it is for the reader to do further research and decide whether or not to accept the claims.

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     Reply #86 - August 05, 2014, 05:33 PM
    Quote from: mubs_352 on August 05, 2014, 05:25 PM
    Ok, I said it in jest. But you know what I meant...

    If not, I meant that I believe I am (or atleast trying) to do the noble thing, and if for whatever reason I get banned, then I will accept it nobly.


    Step 1: Stop posting shit from Nazis.

    Jesus Christ, if this is your starting point then nobility is going to be a long, long road.  Cheesy Jedi you're so funny at times!
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
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     Reply #87 - August 05, 2014, 05:34 PM
    Quote from: mubs_352 on August 05, 2014, 05:32 PM
    Mate, I dispute even work written today due it's prejudiced origins. Even modern academia is influenced by some of these views, see the discussion on IE history in my thread on Zoroastrianism. Any work can be prejudiced, it is for the reader to do further research and decide whether or not to accept the claims.


    You strike me as a man who hasn't read all my replies to you prior to posting.

    Allow me:

    Quote
    In retrospect, many modern day scholars are at pains to divorce their research from ideological pursuits and receive a wider readership and cross pollination of ideas therefore under critical review any inconsistencies, fabrications or racist input will be identified and the author taken to task. Cite modern work. When looking at Qur'anic development for example, it is sheer stupidity to hold up Noldeke or Goldziher and say this is the height of scholarly work on this issue (though Noldeke has stood up very well).


    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
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     Reply #88 - August 05, 2014, 05:38 PM
    ^

    Quote from: mubs_352 on August 05, 2014, 01:54 PM
    I've done lots of research but the modern ones are more academic and detailed and tend to be more about linguistics, history or other secular subjects. The book from Gunther is useful in that it covers reliogous values specifically and is quite condensed. He also gives references for most of its claims so they can be checked.


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     Reply #89 - August 05, 2014, 05:54 PM
    Indo-European religion is a very interesting subject, but like I said in the other thread, when people start talking in vague generalities about what the 'true' Indo-European religion is and distinguishing it from "Semitic" religions, you start getting into the realm of really strange ideologies.

    The funny thing is that the kind of Hindutva/anti-Semitic ideologies that are closely associated with these arguments always go on about "Western prejudice," without ever giving a cogent explanation about why scholars all across the world are so determined to see all religions as an evolving historical process of interrelationship between a vast number of different groups.  Why would that make any sense whatsoever, if you were racist?  Why would you be breaking down barriers between groups, and arguing that the distinctions are less clear or straightforward than people claim, if you were racist?

    This is akin to what Muslims often complain about non-Muslim scholars of Islam .... it's racist Orientalism to assert that Islam's emergence reflects a vast range of different influences and groups that worked together over time (just like every other major religion, including Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity, Zoroastrianism), rather than a Pure Arabic Religion delivered in the pagan Hijaz to a holy Prophet, free of any extrinsic influence.  The obvious response:  THAT'S racism?  To assert that Muslim history is similar to non-Muslim history, and that Muslim religion developed like the religions of other peoples, in close dialogue with other religions and peoples?  That's racism?  Racism is generally associated with arguments about racial/ideological/cultural purity, and the greatness of this 'race' relative to others -- not arguments about how human culture is all interrelated, purity is a historical myth, and human culture reflects a continuum that evolves over time.

    Prejudice, yes, there's an academic prejudice against religious and racial chauvinism, because it rarely reflects reality.  This is not a racist prejudice, it's an anti-racist prejudice built on historical analysis.
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