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     Reply #30 - August 08, 2014, 08:14 AM

    Hamas warriors and Hamas military wing.. Assholes..

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    that is what their military wing is Kids with toy guns and fire crackers.. anyways

    the news from  Dawn.com says

    Arab states cannot stop Israel: OIC secretary-general

    (Clicky for piccy!)
    that is what OIC   Secretary-General Iyad Ameen Abdullah Madani who got his ISLAMIC DEGREE FORM ARIZONA UNIVERSITY  of US of A  says ..

    and why is that guy in that picture is not in wheel chair??



    Hamas warriors and Hamas military wing.. Assholes..

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    that is what their military wing is Kids with toy guns and fire crackers.. anyways

    the news from  Dawn.com says

    Arab states cannot stop Israel: OIC secretary-general

    (Clicky for piccy!)
    that is what OIC   Secretary-General Iyad Ameen Abdullah Madani who got his ISLAMIC DEGREE FORM ARIZONA UNIVERSITY  of US of A  says ..

    and why is that guy in that picture is not in wheel chair??


    Yeez, if you think the Israelis settlers are any different you're very wrong, they just don't show you on TV.


  • Gaza-Israel Peace Moves and Peace news..
     Reply #31 - August 08, 2014, 08:16 AM

    It's a match made in heaven. Smiley

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Gaza-Israel Peace Moves and Peace news..
     Reply #32 - August 08, 2014, 08:22 AM

    Israel air strikes resume in Gaza amid rockets

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    Israel air strikes resume in Gaza amid rockets

    Fighting between the two sides resumed after Hamas rejected any extension of the temporary ceasefire

    Israel says it has resumed air strikes in Gaza after Palestinian militants fired 18 rockets following the end of a three-day truce on Friday morning.

    The Israeli army called the renewed rocket attacks "unacceptable, intolerable and short-sighted".

    Palestinian militant group Hamas, which controls Gaza, earlier rejected any extension of the truce, saying Israel had failed to meet its demands.

    Some 1,940 people have died in four weeks of fighting in Gaza.

    Palestinian officials say at least 1,875 people have been killed since Israel launched Operation Protective Edge on 8 July with the stated aim of halting rocket fire from militants in Gaza and destroying the network of tunnels it said were used by militants to launch attacks inside Israel.

    The UN says 1,354 of those who died were civilians, including 415 children and 214 women.

    Israel's government says 64 soldiers were killed, along with two Israeli civilians and a Thai national. It also claims that about 900 Palestinian militants were killed in the fighting.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28702394
  • Gaza-Israel Peace Moves and Peace news..
     Reply #33 - August 08, 2014, 08:34 AM

    Islamic Jihad and another much smaller group have claimed responsibility for the rockets fired so far. Hamas is silent (they normally claim responsibility for their acts) but has declared that negotiations go on despite the expired cease fire.

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  • Gaza-Israel Peace Moves and Peace news..
     Reply #34 - August 08, 2014, 08:36 AM

    Do you think they have hired/requested these smaller groups to do such action Nikolaj?
  • Gaza-Israel Peace Moves and Peace news..
     Reply #35 - August 08, 2014, 08:52 AM

    Yeez, if you think the Israelis settlers are any different you're very wrong, they just don't show you on TV.

    (Clicky for piccy!)
    (Clicky for piccy!)


    Yuck.

    Meanwhile the land theft in the West Bank continues…

    IDF orders West Bank village land seized for settler road

    http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/.premium-1.609313?v=2AECE20A868090844944DD0D853A941A


    The settlers are arseholes. The stuff that I've read/seen about what goes on in the West Bank makes me rage at the injustice of it all. Why aren't there attacks against these fuckers? If I were a Palestinian in the WB, I'd probably be a "terrorist". 
  • Gaza-Israel Peace Moves and Peace news..
     Reply #36 - August 08, 2014, 08:56 AM

    Islamic Jihad is notoriously unruly. At most Hamas has just not stopped them from firing like they normally tried to do as part of the 2012 cease fire (which was broken by Israel, not Hamas, on June 30th).

    Also the rockets fired so far this morning are all the home-brewed types with a range of maximum 20 km and a very small if any warhead.

    Obviously I don't think firing rockets at Israel is a good idea. I prefer more international pressure on Israel to allow Gaza to be rebuilt and Gazans allowed to leave and enter the strip for work/education/leisure. However that is exactly what Israel has declined.

    I would like to hear what Fatah, PFLP and DLFP have to say about the negotiations as well, but I haven't seen anything from them yet.

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     Reply #37 - August 08, 2014, 09:03 AM

    The settlers are arseholes. The stuff that I've read/seen about what goes on in the West Bank makes me rage at the injustice of it all. Why aren't there attacks against these fuckers? If I were a Palestinian in the WB, I'd probably be a "terrorist". 


    Actually only about 20% are there for ideologic or theologic reasons. By far most of them are there because of economic incentives from the Israeli government.

    The proposed land swap which was negotiated 10 years ago or so would let about 63% of the current settlers join Israel proper. It is the extremist guys in like Hebron who terrorise the whole city and surroundings with over a quarter of a million Palestinians that will be the real headache for Israel.

    But yes. When my Jewish friend from Jews against genocide was in Israel during the beginning of the "operation" visiting the West Bank he was way more afraid of extremist settlers and the occupation force than of the Palestinians he visited.

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  • Gaza-Israel Peace Moves and Peace news..
     Reply #38 - August 08, 2014, 09:14 AM

    Yeez, if you think the Israelis settlers are any different you're very wrong, they just don't show you on TV.

    (Clicky for piccy!)
    (Clicky for piccy!)

    khalils.. That is exactly what we need and what Palestinian folks who are looking for food.. clothes..homes..jobs schools colleges for them and for their children need to do .. Expose the other side as well as their side..

    did those pictures come from  Israelis??  http://rotter.net/

    well if they don't show that on TV., what are these guys Palestinians supporters and  Palestinians educated innocent  folks that suffer these tragedies for the past 60 years doing??  

    anyways Please do link such news/links/pictures here in this folder.. I WILL ADVERTIZE THESE PICTURES IN THEIR FORUM..  

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Gaza-Israel Peace Moves and Peace news..
     Reply #39 - August 08, 2014, 09:39 AM

    A forum like CEMB  needs a new thread on these  settlers and their begging, cunning , violent  ways defending  and usurping Palestinian lands .,   It becomes much easier to defend and support Palestinians if these Alalh hooo albaar idiots of Islam are eliminated from homes, from towns, from mosques and  the face of the earth.

    These settlers indeed cause troubles there specially those Rich fuckers that move from west  and stay there and play double game of building mafias in Israel and mafia in the countries where they moved from But we have to realize that there are plenty of Jewish folks who write against them..

     Let me add some old stories/ relevant links on that here to start with

    Population statistics for Israeli Gaza Strip settlements
     
    Concerns over rising settler violence in the West Bank bbc-2011

    Top IDF officer warns: Settlers' radical fringe growing_ 2009  Israeli NP haaretz.com

    Violence by Extremists in the Jewish Settler Movement: A Rising Challenge   Matthew Levitt's Washington report 2009

    Defeat settler terror _2008  Israeli NP haaretz.com

    Israel 'turning blind eye' to West Bank settlers' attacks on Palestinians guardian.com_2012

       Rabbi slams Jewish 'hooligans'  Israeli  ynetnews.com 2009

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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Gaza-Israel Peace Moves and Peace news..
     Reply #40 - August 08, 2014, 09:57 AM

    Actually only about 20% are there for ideologic or theologic reasons. By far most of them are there because of economic incentives from the Israeli government.


    I know a lot of them are there for the cheap housing. IMO, that doesn't make it any less immoral. 
    I remember an Israeli on another forum saying he'd moved to a West Bank colony b/c he was poor and his hometown was near the Gaza border and was rocketed a lot. And I've noticed the worst news/videos come out of Hebron where there are literally separate roads and whatnot. 

    This crazy fuckery is from Hebron earlier this year. 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1s3Qt-Tm5I&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    The settler is basically saying all the land is his and the Jews', Palestine is a Roman invention, it's all Eretz Israel. The Palestinian is basically saying "dafuq dude, you're on my roof". The settler went up there to remove a Palestinian flag the guy put up on his own damn house, a soldier later comes and tells the Palestinian to remove the flag. Wtf! 

    But yes. When my Jewish friend from Jews against genocide was in Israel during the beginning of the "operation" visiting the West Bank he was way more afraid of extremist settlers and the occupation force than of the Palestinians he visited.


    Not surprising. 
  • Gaza-Israel Peace Moves and Peace news..
     Reply #41 - August 08, 2014, 10:27 AM

    khalils.. That is exactly what we need and what Palestinian folks who are looking for food.. clothes..homes..jobs schools colleges for them and for their children need to do .. Expose the other side as well as their side..

    did those pictures come from  Israelis??  http://rotter.net/

    well if they don't show that on TV., what are these guys Palestinians supporters and  Palestinians educated innocent  folks that suffer these tragedies for the past 60 years doing??  

    anyways Please do link such news/links/pictures here in this folder.. I WILL ADVERTIZE THESE PICTURES IN THEIR FORUM..  

    I have more on my hard drive, but it doesn't seem like I can upload on to the site.

    rotter is an Israeli forum, it contains all sorts of people, but it's mostly right wing.
    This is a very famous video, I believe many of you watched it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdeqXQPW7TM

    This is a documentary about life in the west bank
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3emLCYB9j8c

    The thing is Yeez, when debating with people, they ask how can you support dark ideology like Hamas, the reason most of us is silent, is what happened in the west bank, once the resistance was gone, the Israelis cut through the west bank and started doing whatever they want, Ghaza is the only armed resistance that's left, and it'll be gone soon, have no doubts about it.

    There are countless articles that describe the normal killing and tragedies in the west bank, most of them are in Hebrew, you'd be surprised but most fierce activist against the occupation are jews, I can translate, but this Forum isn't the stage for it, and I don't want to hijack it, feel free to open a thread of foreign articles, and I promise I'll translate for you and give yo material, although I see the blatant bias in international media, we already tried the battle, you can't win Vs the CNN and BBC, even though you see their lies.
  • Gaza-Israel Peace Moves and Peace news..
     Reply #42 - August 08, 2014, 11:28 AM

    dear khalil., I understand what you are saying..   couple of points on that post ., but first., are you the same khalil that used to write in Faith  Freedom International? Please don't answer if you don't like to answer my questions..
    I have more on my hard drive, but it doesn't seem like I can upload on to the site.

    rotter is an Israeli forum, it contains all sorts of people, but it's mostly right wing.
    This is a very famous video, I believe many of you watched it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdeqXQPW7TM

    This is a documentary about life in the west bank
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3emLCYB9j8c

    The thing is Yeez, when debating with people, they ask how can you support dark ideology like Hamas, the reason most of us is silent, is what happened in the west bank, once the resistance was gone, the Israelis cut through the west bank and started doing whatever they want, Ghaza is the only armed resistance that's left, and it'll be gone soon, have no doubts about it.

    Armed resistance   for what khalil??

    For eliminating Israel from the face of the earth?  or for living side by side with Jewish folks that support Palestine?  I don't think I will take flat response like that you have to go through the issues bit deeper and go back all the way to 1948 and even beyond..
    Quote
    There are countless articles that describe the normal killing and tragedies in the west bank, most of them are in Hebrew, you'd be surprised but most fierce activist against the occupation are jews, I can translate, but this Forum isn't the stage for it, and I don't want to hijack it, feel free to open a thread of foreign articles, and I promise I'll translate for you and give yo material, although I see the blatant bias in international media, we already tried the battle, you can't win Vs the CNN and BBC, even though you see their lies.

     what is international media now a days Khalil?  World of Web is free to type in.,  You know well we get more news from individuals on line than that news papers/news on televisions.. In fact those guys get it from public..

    And Why are they in Jewish? why not in Arabic? and why not in English and other languages? So what you are saying is only Jewish folks are reporting and fighting these abuses of Palestinians  by settlers.

    Then what is Palestine Propaganda media doing?   anyways .. but don't worry about translation please provide the links from Jewish Press. I am one of these guys who will not take anything on its face value ..

    with best wishes
    yeezevee
     

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Gaza-Israel Peace Moves and Peace news..
     Reply #43 - August 08, 2014, 12:25 PM

    I feel like I get a good amount of news about the horrors of the occupation from mainstream English language sources. There are countless activists from all over the world in Israel/Palestine, it's the most prominent conflict in the world. There's no lack of documentation. Amnesty International, HRW, B'Tselem, etc all issue reports and document the  abuses. The problem isn't lack of info, it's that this info doesn't get on television. You only hear about the conflict when Gaza explodes, you never hear about the daily humiliations and abuses that the Palestinians endure from the settlers and the IDF during "peacetime". 
  • Gaza-Israel Peace Moves and Peace news..
     Reply #44 - August 08, 2014, 12:37 PM

    Israel air strikes resume in Gaza amid rockets  ..


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    Israel says it has resumed air strikes in Gaza after Palestinian militants fired rockets following the end of a three-day truce on Friday morning.

    The Israeli army called the renewed rocket attacks "unacceptable, intolerable and short-sighted".

    Palestinian militant group Hamas, which dominates Gaza, earlier rejected any extension of the truce, saying Israel had failed to meet its demands.

    Some 1,940 lives have been claimed in four weeks of fighting in Gaza.

    Israeli government officials say they have pulled out of Egyptian-brokered negotiations with Hamas and Palestinian factions, stressing they will not "negotiate under fire

    well there goes the peace.. read the rest at link

    and let me scan through this   http://www.amnesty.nl/nieuwsportaal/pers/questions-answers-israelgaza-conflict

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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Gaza-Israel Peace Moves and Peace news..
     Reply #45 - August 08, 2014, 12:40 PM

    Armed resistance   for what khalil??

    For eliminating Israel from the face of the earth?  or for living side by side with Jewish folks that support Palestine?  I don't think I will take flat response like that you have to go through the issues bit deeper and go back all the way to 1948 and even beyond..


    No. You don't need to go all the way back to 1948. If the land you were born in is occupied and the forces are restricting your movement and limiting access to essential items and your face bombardment because of the actions of idiots within your country and from within Israel then you have every right to fight back. Armed resistance is a legitimate option. Defend your home and family and friends, this is your right and were you in the situation you would demand that right for yourself or others. There's no need to travel back in time, the occupation is very real as is the starvation and the destruction of the people in Gaza. There are some people who don't want to play in the politics playground with Hamas and Israeli State terrorists but they want to live and have every right to defend themselves whether we think their actions will lead to progress or not.

    If you were making a point that in no way related to this or if I misconstrued what you were saying then Jedi says 'move on, move on'.

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     Reply #46 - August 08, 2014, 12:45 PM

    dear khalil., I understand what you are saying..   couple of points on that post ., but first., are you the same khalil that used to write in Faith  Freedom International? Please don't answer if you don't like to answer my questions.. Armed resistance   for what khalil??

    Nope, don't know what that is.
    Quote
    For eliminating Israel from the face of the earth?  or for living side by side with Jewish folks that support Palestine?  I don't think I will take flat response like that you have to go through the issues bit deeper and go back all the way to 1948 and even beyond..  what is international media now a days Khalil?  World of Web is free to type in.,  You know well we get more news from individuals on line than that news papers/news on televisions.. In fact those guys get it from public..


    Yeez, Palestinians welcomed 1st jewish settlers with open arms and fed them, the PFLP goal was one state for all nations, they didn't deny anyone the right to live in Palestine, but today's armed resistance is mainly for the west bank and Ghaza, and there are a lot of theft and violations of human rights going on.

    Quote
    And Why are they in Jewish? why not in Arabic? and why not in English and other languages? So what you are saying is only Jewish folks are reporting and fighting these abuses of Palestinians  by settlers.

    Then what is Palestine Propaganda media doing?   anyways .. but don't worry about translation please provide the links from Jewish Press. I am one of these guys who will not take anything on its face value ..

    with best wishes
    yeezevee
     


    Mainly because it's to wake the Israelis up for atrocities they are being forced to do for the sake of radical minority.
    There are palestinian media sources, like electronic intifada, but most people Yeez, take their news the old fashioned way.
    If you look at Aljazeera or RT they are covering the situation with much less bias, but these still aren't the mainstream media outlets.
    This site is a local site for peace activist, they document their every murder, and land grab in the west bank
    http://mekomit.co.il
  • Gaza-Israel Peace Moves and Peace news..
     Reply #47 - August 08, 2014, 12:46 PM

    .........There are some people who don't want to play in the politics playground with Hamas and Israeli State terrorists but they want to live and have every right to defend themselves whether we think their actions will lead to progress or not. .......

    well  if you don't want to fight Hamas and Israeli State terrorists., and if you don't want to educate Hamas and Israeli State terrorists .,   then either pack up and leave or become victim  of   Hamas and Israeli State terrorists and and go on crying for ever until the end .,

    What else is left for such people?

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    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Gaza-Israel Peace Moves and Peace news..
     Reply #48 - August 08, 2014, 12:54 PM

    Nope, don't know what that is.

    Oh..Ok.,  A good friend with the same name "Khalil" used to exchange messages and PMs on a forum from Dubai., I am not sure where he is now..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Gaza-Israel Peace Moves and Peace news..
     Reply #49 - August 08, 2014, 12:58 PM

    I feel like I get a good amount of news about the horrors of the occupation from mainstream English language sources. There are countless activists from all over the world in Israel/Palestine, it's the most prominent conflict in the world. There's no lack of documentation. Amnesty International, HRW, B'Tselem, etc all issue reports and document the  abuses. The problem isn't lack of info, it's that this info doesn't get on television. You only hear about the conflict when Gaza explodes, you never hear about the daily humiliations and abuses that the Palestinians endure from the settlers and the IDF during "peacetime". 


    Yeah, but even during conflict time:
    Take a look at this video from RT's Abby Martin:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6L6O-Nm7mk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdQ6QP6jja8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL1S9kt33ek

    This Russel Brand mocking fox news
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_m98GAdqKM


  • Gaza-Israel Peace Moves and Peace news..
     Reply #50 - August 08, 2014, 01:07 PM

    This is a blog from British journalist who married a local girl from Nazareth and is living here, he covers the conflict also
    http://www.jonathan-cook.net
  • Gaza-Israel Peace Moves and Peace news..
     Reply #51 - August 08, 2014, 02:04 PM

    Sean Hannity is an insufferable ass. Jasser is like a Muslim uncle Tom, always there to stand with neocons and American bigots. Everyone knows Fox News is a right-wing propaganda outlet. 

    Er, I don't think I'd promote RT as an unbiased media outlet. Perhaps it's different in the U.S. but the mainstream press here always mentions the disproportionality and shows the carnage. Yes, the rockets and the disruption to Israeli life they cause are mentioned but so is the fact that the death ratio is 3 vs. 2,000 and that Gaza has been bombed into the stone age. Ultimately, there's no amount of spin that can change the facts and the pics speak for themselves. 

    I also watch a lot of Al-Jazeera and BBC, and not a lot of Fox News or CNN so maybe I'm missing the blatant pro-Israel bias. 

    Have you read about the hostile media effect? 
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_media_effect

    Interestingly enough, a textbook example involves this conflict:

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    In 1982, the first major study of this phenomenon was undertaken;[1] pro-Palestinian students and pro-Israeli students at Stanford University were shown the same news filmstrips pertaining to the then-recent Sabra and Shatila massacre of Palestinian refugees by Christian Lebanese militia fighters abetted by the Israeli army in Beirut during the Lebanese Civil War. On a number of objective measures, both sides found that these identical news clips were slanted in favor of the other side. Pro-Israeli students reported seeing more anti-Israel references and fewer favorable references to Israel in the news report and pro-Palestinian students reported seeing more anti-Palestinian references, and so on. Both sides said a neutral observer would have a more negative view of their side from viewing the clips, and that the media would have excused the other side where it blamed their side.




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     Reply #52 - August 08, 2014, 02:09 PM

    well  if you don't want to fight Hamas and Israeli State terrorists., and if you don't want to educate Hamas and Israeli State terrorists .,   then either pack up and leave or become victim  of   Hamas and Israeli State terrorists and and go on crying for ever until the end .,

    What else is left for such people?


    1) It is very easy to pack up and leave isn't it for the people of Gaza?

    2) Why should they pack up and leave? Perhaps Israel should stop killing civillians and playing into the stupid games with Hamas.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

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     Reply #53 - August 08, 2014, 02:30 PM

    Sean Hannity is an insufferable ass. Jasser is like a Muslim uncle Tom, always there to stand with neocons and American bigots. Everyone knows Fox News is a right-wing propaganda outlet. 

    Er, I don't think I'd promote RT as an unbiased media outlet. Perhaps it's different in the U.S. but the mainstream press here always mentions the disproportionality and shows the carnage. Yes, the rockets and the disruption to Israeli life they cause are mentioned but so is the fact that the death ratio is 3 vs. 2,000 and that Gaza has been bombed into the stone age. Ultimately, there's no amount of spin that can change the facts and the pics speak for themselves. 

    I also watch a lot of Al-Jazeera and BBC, and not a lot of Fox News or CNN so maybe I'm missing the blatant pro-Israel bias. 

    Have you read about the hostile media effect? 
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_media_effect



    Interestingly enough, a textbook example involves this conflict:



    I'm familiar with all the "both sides are wrong" and "the truth is somewhere in the middle", either I'm one of the biased people mentioned there, or it's not what it seems like.
    The interesting thing is, you've been presented with a video, that contains recording of a big liberal american channel, that shows destroyed Palestinian homes, and passing them off as Israeli homes, you response is that the messenger is not credible.
    The are no true impartial people in this world, but there are sincere ones.
  • Gaza-Israel Peace Moves and Peace news..
     Reply #54 - August 08, 2014, 02:48 PM

    Quote from: khalils
    I see the blatant bias in international media, we already tried the battle, you can't win Vs the CNN and BBC, even though you see their lies.
    [...]
    If you look at Aljazeera or RT they are covering the situation with much less bias, but these still aren't the mainstream media outlets.


    There has been some good mainstream media coverage in the UK - it may be different in the US. Channel 4 has been a lot better than the BBC - for example see the reports from Gaza by Paul Mason (who was previously with the BBC and left because of the political restrictions there on what journalists are allowed to say).
  • Gaza-Israel Peace Moves and Peace news..
     Reply #55 - August 08, 2014, 03:22 PM

    I was just pointing out that RT is not unbiased, not at all. It's about as unbiased as press tv. Of course, that doesn't discredit everything they say. But their pushing "the media hates Palestinians" angle is like how Fox News pushes "the media sympathises with terrorists" angle. 
    I've seen the ABC segment before. It was BIG news. If the pro-Israel bias is so pervasive and this kind of thing is SOP, why would there be outrage over this one incident? 
    IMO it was an honest mistake. They apologised for it. It's pretty obvious to everyone that that level of destruction is not seen in Israel. There have been countless articles about how Israel is losing the PR war. 
    Most of the world sympathises with the Palestinians. Europe, Latin America, Africa. It's really only America where Israel can do no wrong. Perhaps it's the media there rather than the international media? Of course, the evangelicals also make up a quarter of the population. 
    Anyway, we can agree to disagree. 
  • Gaza-Israel Peace Moves and Peace news..
     Reply #56 - August 08, 2014, 03:48 PM

    http://972mag.com/idf-soldier-artillery-fire-in-gaza-is-like-russian-roulette/95194/

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    Amid the stream of terrible reports from Operation Protective Edge, two especially painful events captured my attention: The bombardment of an UNRWA school in Jabaliya that served as a shelter for families that had fled their homes due to the fighting, which resulted in the deaths of at least 20 people and injured dozens more; and the bombardment of a crowded market in Shejaiya that killed 17 people and injured roughly 160.

    In response to fierce criticism directed at Israel following the school’s bombardment, Israeli spokespeople claimed, as usual, that the strike was directed at an area from which shooting was directed at IDF forces. Against reports that hundreds of the casualties in Gaza are innocent civilians, Israel repeatedly argues that it is doing all it can to avoid harming innocent civilians.

    During my military service in the Israeli army I served in the artillery corps, and thus learned a thing or two about using shells. From the testimonies I have read and heard from the school and the marketplace bombardment, I am not sure if these were mortar or artillery shells that struck, but what’s clear from the photos and reports published by the IDF is that there was massive use of artillery fire. Artillery fire is statistical fire. It is the absolute opposite of precise sniper fire. The power of the sniper lies in the accuracy that his weapon provides him, while the power of the artillery shells being used in Gaza is based on both the extent and possibility of causing damage (impact).

    As someone who served as a combat soldier in the IDF I feel obligated to explain what is behind the numbers we hear about regarding the military operation in Gaza. A standard high-explosive shell weighs about 40 kg and is nothing but a large fragmentation grenade, which, at the time of explosion, is meant to kill everyone within a 50-meter radius and injure people located in an additional radius of 100 meters. It is impossible to aim the shells in an accurate manner and they are not meant to hit specific targets. Different factors such as the humidity of the air, the amount of heat in the barrel and the direction of the wind may determine whether the shell falls 30 or even 100 meters from the spot at which it was aimed. For that reason, a multi-barrel artillery battery fires a barrage of shells in a certain direction knowing that statistics will work their course, and that due to the scatter and the amount of damage caused by many shells, the target will indeed be hit.

    As a result of the inaccuracy of this weapon, the safety ranges used during war require us to aim at least 250 meters away from our troops while they are behind cover. In 2006 when the IDF first fired artillery shells into Gaza, I was surprised by the choice to use such an inaccurate weapon in such a densely populated region.

    At the time, firing guidelines were changed so that the safety distance from Palestinian houses was reduced from 300 meters to 100 meters. Shortly thereafter, a shell hit the house of the Ghaben family in Beit Lahiya, killing 9-year-old Hadil and injuring 12 of her family members. Following the incident and several others related to artillery fire, human rights organizations appealed to the Israeli High Court to stop this lethal practice. In response, Israel stated that artillery fire would no longer be used in the Gaza Strip.

    Only three years later, in Operation Cast Lead, artillery fire was used once again, even more extensively than before. Nowadays, since the launch of Operation Protective Edge, the IDF has already shot thousands of artillery shells at different parts of the Gaza Strip. The shells have caused unbearable damage to human life and tremendous destruction to infrastructure, the full scale of which will only be revealed when the fighting is over.

    In some of the cases during this round of violence, the IDF notified the civilian population that it was going to attack a certain region and instructed people to evacuate the area. Announcements such as these and firing on densely populated neighborhoods has reportedly displaced one-third of Gaza’s population in recent weeks. The families hit in the UNRWA school attack in Jabaliya are one such example.

    I write this with great sorrow: great sorrow for the civilians who were hurt on both sides, great sorrow for our soldiers who died in the operation, and sorrow for the future of my country and of the entire region. I know that right now soldiers like myself are firing shells into Gaza, and they have no way of knowing who or what they’ll hit. The statistics that this type of fire relies upon maintain that in a densely populated region innocent civilians will be harmed. As a soldier and as an Israeli citizen, I feel obligated to ask: Have we not crossed a line?

    Today, when the number of Palestinian casualties has climbed above 1,800 men, woman and children – most of whom are innocent civilians – it is time to say in plane language: The use of a statistical weapon is like a game of Russian roulette. Those who use artillery weapons in Gaza cannot honestly say that they are doing all they can to avoid harming innocent civilians.

    Idan Barir served in the artillery corps during the Second Intifada. Today he is a Ph.D candidate in history, and an activist with Breaking the Silence.


    See also this from Jonathan Cook's blog: http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2014-08-01/experts-israels-weapons-are-not-precise/
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     Reply #57 - August 08, 2014, 04:30 PM

    There has been some good mainstream media coverage in the UK - it may be different in the US. Channel 4 has been a lot better than the BBC - for example see the reports from Gaza by Paul Mason (who was previously with the BBC and left because of the political restrictions there on what journalists are allowed to say).


    Jonathan Cook uses interviews for channel 4 and they seem very fair, but I don't how popular this channel is, on the international level, it's the big media conglomerates, and the coverage there is abysmal.
    Remember George Orwell's quote "Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind."
    Saying 1800 dead in Gaza many Hamas members among them, and Israel kills 1800 people mostly civilians, is very different, both factually correct.
    Saying Israeli Defense Army and saying Israeli Occupation army is very different both are factually correct.
    Saying Jewish west bank residents and Illegal settlers is very different but both are factually correct.

    It's small tidbits like this, that make the perspective of the reader, believe me, the coverage of South Africa apartheid regime was much much different than the coverage of Israel, and anyone who thinks it's by chance, they should check their naivety dose.

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     Reply #58 - August 08, 2014, 04:31 PM

    What do you make of Hamas Khalis?
  • Gaza-Israel Peace Moves and Peace news..
     Reply #59 - August 08, 2014, 04:50 PM

    Many people forget that Hamas, when they took over, they segregated the schools, there were rumors of some troubles with the christian community in Gaza, and it's hard for me to accept them, especially when Islam is getting very dangerous nowadays, I have some people in my hometown calling them kuffar, and don't follow the true Islam, the Daesh islam.
    But I know my history, and it wasn't always this way, and Islam finds a fertile land in crisis and tends to fade in the good times, for me now Hamas is the resistance, and their popularity stems from the hard times in Palestine, when there will be freedom, I believe things will get better on the fundamentalist level.
    It's really very confusing times, but Israel carry a lot of the blame, there were 2 powerful people, who weren't corrupt, in the secular Palestinian resistance, Abu Ali Mustafa from the PFLP and Marwan Barghouti from Fatah, Israel killed the 1st in his office in Ramallah, after signing an agreement with him, the second is rotting in Israeli jail with trumped up charge.
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