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  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #30 - August 13, 2014, 11:47 AM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wCUcepbflA

    Depression is a bitch.
  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #31 - August 13, 2014, 01:58 PM
    You can always depend on some people to act like arseholes:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/28773734

    But then there are others:


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  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #32 - August 13, 2014, 02:06 PM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCFSoi8i0co

    well some of these people like above are insensitive IDIOTS ., That guy calls Robin Williams as "Coward"..

     I don't know whether he meant it or not but he uses the word on News Channel
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  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #33 - August 13, 2014, 02:12 PM
    Yes Yeez he did but has since retracted his statement and apologised profusely for his silly comment.

    I understand why he would say that ebcause as a society we do not truly understand nor appreciate the effects of depression. Also, take into consideration that religion, particualrly ISLAM/CHRISTIANITY have done untold damage in that they demonise those who commit suicide. Apparently Allah will not burden a soul more than it can bear therefore those who commit suicide will be labelled as cowards and failures. They should've prayed harder is the usual refrain. Add tot hat the hadiths which state one should not attend the funeral of a person who has committed suicide.
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  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #34 - August 13, 2014, 02:14 PM
    I think that just goes to show how far we've still got to go regarding the stigma surrounding depression and mental health in general. Then again it's Fox News so it's not like we should be expecting much.
    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
     Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
     Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
     Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God." - Epicurus
  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #35 - August 13, 2014, 02:26 PM
    Quote from: Al-Alethia on August 13, 2014, 02:01 AM
    It's all about perception. You're viewing it from a glass half-empty perspective. It's not all doom and gloom if you don't choose to view it that way. One of the happiest periods of my life was the summer I spent in the old country. Most people were poor and didn't have much by Western standards but they were happy, you could almost feel the happiness and liveliness in the air, and it rubbed off on me and made me happy and carefree. Depression is much more common in Western societies than in Eastern ones, despite life being objectively worse in a lot of those societies. I've read somewhere that people who reflect and contemplate more are more prone to depression, as are people who are more ambitious than average. It's all in our minds. 


    That's not actually true you know.  Depression is rife in the Eastern world:  http://psychcentral.com/news/2012/07/26/anxiety-more-common-in-the-western-world-depression-in-east/42253.html

    Also, as someone who identifies with Abu Ali's glass half empty outlook, it really isn't just as simple as changing one's perception.

    Roll either me or him back 20 years or more and the perception would have been far more optimistic, but years and years of reality stamp that dreamer out of many people.

    I have honestly just reached a stage where I describe my life as plodding through until the end, with a deep wish that the end isn't too far off.

    Whilst technically depression is a matter of perception, reality is that depression doesn't leave room for any other sort of perception.  It's extremely crippling.

    I'm of course not saying you were trying to dismiss it all as 'hey just change your outlook, people with less than you are happier than you'.  You probably weren't aiming to have it come off sounding that way.  Just that people in the East do suffer from extremely high rates of depression, suicide rates are actually quite high, and if it was possible for the perception to be of a glass that is half full, then depression wouldn't be the diagnosis.  :/
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #36 - August 13, 2014, 02:56 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on August 13, 2014, 02:26 PM
    Roll either me or him back 20 years or more and the perception would have been far more optimistic, but years and years of reality stamp that dreamer out of many people.


    This^

    Stamped, kicked, hung, drawn & quartered. Destroyed that which was precious and dashes even a tentative hope mercilessly on the rocks so you don't dare to hope.

    Sorry, I know I should have restrained myself from posting. I won't say any more on the matter.
  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #37 - August 13, 2014, 03:01 PM
    hugs

    You should though.  If you need to let it out, you let it out.  Whilst I understand that we should be careful what we say for how it makes other people feel, we should also be careful not to shut other people down from talking, forcing them to keep it all buried inside, because of how it might make them feel.

    To feel alone and feel like you can't talk about how you are really feeling is not what should be happening at all.  hugs

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #38 - August 13, 2014, 03:18 PM
    @Berbs
    Fair enough. I've just been in an unusually good mood this week and it's times like this (when I'm in a good mood) that I remind myself that life doesn't have to be awful. I don't agree that it inevitably sucks for most people, though it obviously does for many. I had a bout of depression that I'm slowly recovering from, and I'm not entirely sure what I could attribute the improvement to so you're right that it's out of our control (which is extremely scary IMO). I guess the fact that I've gone from being suicidal to half-normal just gave me hope that misery isn't fait accompli. I didn't at all mean to come across as condescending and I'm sorry if I did. 

    This is from an Australian government report on suicide rates in 2010, and people of Eastern backgrounds do have much lower suicide rates (at least in Australia):

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    The lowest suicide rates, at 5.3 and 5.9 deaths per 100,000 population respectively, were recorded for persons born in Asia, and persons born in Africa and the Middle East. As such, the rate of suicide for people born in Australia is approximately twice that for those born in Asia, or in Africa and the Middle East. Rates of suicide for people born in New Zealand, North America and Europe (including the UK) are more similar to that of Australian born people.


    http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Products/3309.0~2010~Chapter~Country+of+birth?OpenDocument
  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #39 - August 13, 2014, 03:29 PM
    Yea I can understand that.  I have better weeks than others too, when it doesn't feel so much like I'm plodding.  Currently though, I'm on a downward swing so my perception is down about everything.  Mind you even on good days, it depends what about life I am being asked to describe, since some areas will always remain negative for me. 

    I'm glad to hear you are feeling good though.  That's always good to hear.   Afro

    For the statistics though, could be that life in Australia is way better for them than life in their home nations.  Suicide rates are higher within their respective nations. 

    Mind you, every site reports them all so differently so I'm hesitant to quote figures.  :/

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #40 - August 13, 2014, 03:36 PM
    Quote from: Abu Ali on August 13, 2014, 02:56 PM
    This^

    Stamped, kicked, hung, drawn & quartered. Destroyed that which was precious and dashes even a tentative hope mercilessly on the rocks so you don't dare to hope.

    Sorry, I know I should have restrained myself from posting. I won't say any more on the matter.

    So is being an adult that bad? no

    I will always keep dreaming, no matter what.
  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #41 - August 13, 2014, 03:41 PM
    ^ There are some adults here who seem fairly jolly so I don't think it's a nightmare for everyone, necessarily.

    Quote from: BerberElla on August 13, 2014, 03:29 PM
    Yea I can understand that.  I have better weeks than others too, when it doesn't feel so much like I'm plodding.  Currently though, I'm on a downward swing so my perception is down about everything.  Mind you even on good days, it depends what about life I am being asked to describe, since some areas will always remain negative for me.  

    I'm glad to hear you are feeling good though.  That's always good to hear.   Afro


    Thanks Smiley Hopefully things will get better for you, too. 
  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #42 - August 13, 2014, 03:41 PM
    No being an adult isn't that bad.  It really depends on the luck you had, the chances you took, the choices you made, and the experiences you had, as to how you end up feeling in the end.

    It also boils down to whether you became depressed.

    Being depressed isn't part of those choices, and it is the thing that makes you feel like that when all is said and done.

    You could have been through the worst shit possible and come out smiling as long as you don't develop depression. 
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #43 - August 13, 2014, 03:43 PM
    Quote from: Al-Alethia on August 13, 2014, 03:41 PM
    ^ There are some adults here who seem fairly jolly so I don't think it's a nightmare for everyone, necessarily.
    Thanks Smiley Hopefully things will get better for you, too. 


    Thanks hun.  I hope they do too.

    I'm gonna keep plodding along until they do.  Grin
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #44 - August 13, 2014, 03:45 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on August 13, 2014, 03:01 PM
    hugs

    You should though.  If you need to let it out, you let it out.  Whilst I understand that we should be careful what we say for how it makes other people feel, we should also be careful not to shut other people down from talking, forcing them to keep it all buried inside, because of how it might make them feel.

    To feel alone and feel like you can't talk about how you are really feeling is not what should be happening at all.  hugs


     hugs
  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #45 - August 13, 2014, 03:47 PM
    This seems like an opportune time for hugs
  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #46 - August 13, 2014, 03:50 PM
    Quote from: Al-Alethia on August 13, 2014, 03:47 PM
    This seems like an opportune time for hugs


    It's always huggie-time in Abu Ali world  hugs
  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #47 - August 13, 2014, 03:51 PM
    http://pagesix.com/2014/08/12/robin-williams-set-up-three-part-trust-fund-for-kids/

    Quote
    Before his death on Monday, Robin Williams set up trust funds for his three children, Zachary, 31, Zelda, 25, and Cody, 22. Williams — who was found dead of an apparent suicide at age 63 — established a three-part trust so his children wouldn’t receive the money in a lump sum, reports TMZ.

    At 21, each child would receive one-third; at 25, they would get half of the remaining amount, and at 30, the remainder would be handed over. Because of Zelda and Cody’s ages, they have yet to receive the full amount.

    It’s unknown how much money Williams set aside for his children, but his third wife, Susan Schneider, will likely receive a sizable amount of money, too. Some estimates put Williams’ net worth at $130 million in 2012. But in 2013, Williams revealed he was on the verge of bankruptcy after two divorces, reports Fox News. In an effort to pay off his debts, Williams returned to TV to star in “The Crazy Ones” with Sarah Michelle Gellar and put his $35 million house on the market.........


    Quote
    http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/actors/robin-williams-net-worth/

    Robin Williams net worth: Robin Williams was an American Actor and comedian who had a net worth of $50 million. Robin Williams was born on July 21st, 1951 in Chicago, Illinois. Williams grew up in a very prominent family. His father, Robert was a senior executive at Lincoln-Mercury Motors in charge of the Midwest area and his mother, Lauren, was a former model from New Orleans. Before high school, Robin and his family moved to the San Francisco Bay Area. As a child, Robin was a shy kid who hardly spoke. One of the only early inclinations that he might grow up to be a comic was his dead-on impersonation of his grandmother. Beyond that, he really didn't come out of his shell until he began to participate in high school plays.

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #48 - August 13, 2014, 03:52 PM
    Quote from: INcePtion on August 13, 2014, 03:36 PM
    So is being an adult that bad?


    No.


    Quote from: INcePtion on August 13, 2014, 03:36 PM
    I will always keep dreaming, no matter what.


    Never stop dreaming.
  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #49 - August 13, 2014, 03:53 PM
    Quote from: Abu Ali on August 13, 2014, 03:50 PM
    It's always huggie-time in Abu Ali world  hugs


    You seriously need  to fill the void that is left in west after the death of that guy Baba Rajneesh and hug everyone.,    did I spell his name right??
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #50 - August 13, 2014, 03:59 PM
    I've no idea what you're talking about as usual, lol... but come here nevertheless, yeeze, you batshit crazy cuddly old coot and let me hug you! hugs
  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #51 - August 13, 2014, 04:02 PM
    Re Robin Williams. No doubt he had some financial problems. Who doesn't? No matter how much they have. But that is not what drove him to suicide imho.

    It is depression that makes every problem seem larger than it is and insurmountable.
  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #52 - August 13, 2014, 04:03 PM
    .
  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #53 - August 13, 2014, 04:03 PM
    Quote from: Abu Ali on August 13, 2014, 03:59 PM
    I've no idea what you're talking about as usual, lol... but come here nevertheless, yeeze, you batshit crazy cuddly old coot and let me hug you! hugs


    Grin
  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #54 - August 13, 2014, 04:07 PM
    Quote from: Abu Ali on August 13, 2014, 03:50 PM
    It's always huggie-time in Abu Ali world  hugs


     Big hug
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #55 - August 13, 2014, 04:11 PM
     far away hug
     Kiss

    Nothing is ever constant.
  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #56 - August 13, 2014, 04:11 PM
    Quote
    Quote from: Al-Alethia on August 13, 2014, 04:03 PM
    Grin

    Quote from: Abu Ali on August 13, 2014, 03:59 PM
    I've no idea what you're talking about as usual, lol... but come here nevertheless, yeeze, you batshit crazy cuddly old coot and let me hug you! hugs



    She is the one.. SHE IS THE PROBLEM Abu Ali .,  

     I  read her post
    Quote from: Al-Alethia on August 13, 2014, 02:01 AM
    ................Depression is much more common in Western societies than in Eastern ones, despite life being objectively worse in a lot of those societies. ..............

    thinking about that statement which appears to be true,  was  searching for  Raif Badawi  news and his jail sentence and read your post on hugging ., Then i thought.,  you are the right person for west if you could some how transform in to that Indian guru preach hugging and praying.. whatever as a partial solution for mental likenesses in west ., So I suggested that to you  Abu Ali..

    So don't blame me.. Blame Al-Alethia  Huh?
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #57 - August 13, 2014, 04:30 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on August 13, 2014, 04:11 PM
    I  read her post thinking about that statement which appears to be true,  was  searching for  Raif Badawi  news and his jail sentence and read your post on hugging ., Then i thought.,  you are the right person for west if you could some how transform in to that Indian guru preach hugging and praying.. whatever as a partial solution for mental likenesses in west ., So I suggested that to you  Abu Ali..

    So don't blame me.. Blame Al-Alethia  Huh?


    Yes, I see. Thanks.

    You are always way ahead of me, Yeezy. You have to remember I'm on a pushbike in the slow lane.  Smiley
  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #58 - August 13, 2014, 04:39 PM
    The following thoughts are based on my experiences and so reflect the internal ramblings of my own mind. People like to talk about suicide behind closed doors. I think a lot of people don't like to admit that there may be a legitimate reason behind a persons decision to end their life: To say I quit. I've had enough. The suicidal person is, in the secular world, presumably influenced by drugs and alcohol, whereas in the world of the theists, the suicidal person has succumbed to the Devil. Suicide rates, suicide statistics, suicide stories and suicide spots are swept away and when bought up in conversation take on a mythological character. The numbers are always argued over, the reasons questioned and the places in which people committed suicide are treated as 'haunted houses' forever claimed by the supernatural. Why do some, actually most people treat suicide as something that happens to the other? The reasoning goes that if they had followed my philosophy, lived my lifestyle, worshipped my God or had my upbringing then they would not turn out this way. And when a person in the 'in-group' does commit suicide it's because they weren't good enough or lacked faith in something or another.

    The fact is, suicide scares us. It debilitates us. The fact that people, despite all manner of intervention, decide to take their own life haunts us. Perhaps life, with all it's material goods, wealth and relationships is not enough to nourish and sustain the facade of a happy, smiling person. Maybe some people have just had enough of living and wish to slip away. If only those who were more prone to commit suicide were the poor and destitute and the godless and from another community then perhaps we will not feel it as much. But that those who end their lives appear to be just like us and live in conditions that we could only dream of brings the reality of the transience of existence and it's inevitbale pointlessness all the more home. If this attractive, wealthy, talented genius can not find happiness then what chance have I got?  

    Perhaps there is a solution:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1QoyTmeAYw
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  • Robin Williams Dead: Beloved Actor Dies In Apparent Suicide
     Reply #59 - August 13, 2014, 05:19 PM
    Quote
    If this attractive, wealthy, talented genius can not find happiness then what chance have I got?

     
    I  disagree. Happiness is not something you go after, it is a state of mind. Calm, peace, the presence of this moment...

    Well, that is how I perceive happiness.
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