Here I say Quran but it for me
Quranic TEXTS, not CODEX.Moschus and the Quran are not at all related.
They are for a scholar : as they said structurally the same thing at the time of the public emergence of the Quran : Ishmael with Abraham building a house of prayer in the place of Abraham (Jerusalem, the only place of Abraham). Arabs knowing by the Quran, and not by the story (their place in God's will).
The problem is that :
- nothing in the jewish writings speak about Abraham building a house ; Abraham only built altars, so that quranic verse seem odd,
It seems not odd at all. Arabs do it in 637 ; they redo what was said in the quranic text. Nothing odd here.
the only altar that was built when Ishmael was already born was on Mount Moriah for the sacrifice of Isaac ; one midrash do claim that Ishmael was there ; does 2:127 link to it ? Maybe. Was this verse added when the islamic narrative was being written ? Maybe.
1/ Reference of the midrash?
does 2:127 link to it ?
1/Possible. Therefore since
you say that there is no Quranic text in 637, 1/Arabs read midrash or 2/the Jews tells Arabs to do like in the midrash : build something like Abraham did for the reason that Ishmael was there for the sacrifice of Isaac and that Arabs are sons of Ishmael? What is your choice?
If you choose 1/
1/ They read midrash in Hebrew? You have source of that that Arabs of the 7th c. read Hebrew?
2/They heard the midrash story. Why not. In 637 they redo the story of the midrash (helping the Jews to build).Why not. Did the story of the midrash say that Ishmael replace Abraham? Why they chase the Jews? There is no response about that. However, in the Sebeos text, it is the fact that the Arabs chase the Jews, replace them in the building the Jews have build with the Arab agreement. Why they agree and why they chase? Is that a tradition from the midrash? Nope.
But the tradition of the midrash is a step in the direction of what the Quranic text says : Abraham build something and Ishmael is there. Like in the Quran. But not in the paradigm of the Quranic text which is : Ishmael (the sons.....) replaces Abraham, what happens in 637 .
From what the Arabs knows that they can replace the Jews and do it? From the Quranic texts, nothing else, when we follow Sebeos which states that they chase the Jews and replace it.
Was this verse added when the islamic narrative was being written ? Maybe.
Improbable, we have fragments of the Quranic text at the end of the 7th.c The islamic narrative was not written. Therefore it has not been added like you said.
Therefore, the idea of Gallez is plausible.
- the only thing we know for sure is that jews had a reason to rebuild the temple and it is stated clearly in their dogma. No one else has that stated so clearly as an imperative.
1/Did I said the contrary?
2/I think it is possible that Jews have started to build and the Arabs have competed with them to the build and have chased them. It means that Jews and Arabs does not collaborates but are
competitors. And that Arabs if they chase them, do it for a good reason : read Q 2 and tell us if the Arabs like the Jews and collaborate with them.
Sebeos and Moschus in their different versions goes in my direction... Therefore, the idea of Gallez is plausible.
The temple building story is just in the background to nail a point home related to those other items in that story. You don't seem to get my point.
I did not get your point because may be what you say is confused. When you deny a building on a place, arguing it is because of apologetic theology without arguing your point. It is confused.
Explain your point. You still did not do it... (yawn)
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