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 Topic: Ibrahim circumcised himself with an axe, at age 80

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  • Ibrahim circumcised himself with an axe, at age 80
     OP - April 12, 2015, 01:35 PM
    And apparently this is where the madness started. So anyone know the veracity of this story, or do muslims believe otherwise?
    I had not heard of this until recently.
  • Ibrahim circumcised himself with an axe, at age 80
     Reply #1 - April 12, 2015, 01:55 PM
    It's just a rumor Ibrahim spread to give people penis-envy.
    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Ibrahim circumcised himself with an axe, at age 80
     Reply #2 - April 12, 2015, 02:03 PM
    Quote from: Roberto40 on April 12, 2015, 01:35 PM
    Ibrahim circumcised himself with an axe, at age 80  ..

      



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    http://www.openbible.info/topics/circumcision
    http://www.gotquestions.org/circumcision.html
    http://convertingtoislam.com/circum.html

    Genesis 21:4  

    And Abraham circumcised his son Isaac when he was eight days old, as God had commanded him

    Romans 4:9  

    Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness.

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said "The Prophet) Abraham circumcised himself after he had passed the age of eighty years and he circumcised himself with an adze."
     

    Abu Hurayra said,

    "Ibrahim, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, was circumcised when he was 120 years old. Then he lived eighty years after that."

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  • Ibrahim circumcised himself with an axe, at age 80
     Reply #3 - April 12, 2015, 03:34 PM
    Ouch. I just winced reading that but I've never heard of it before.
  • Ibrahim circumcised himself with an axe, at age 80
     Reply #4 - April 12, 2015, 04:55 PM
    Quote from: Confused98 on April 12, 2015, 03:34 PM
    Ouch. I just winced reading that..............

    what? Ouch.?  Ooooooooouch.?    no Ouch not me.,  But the question is about that  "circumcised himself with an adze."  ...........adze...... So now wonder about   the size and shape of  adze.  ., I wonder whether that looked like this one



    Look at that one Confused98?.......... that confuses hell out of me.. and if any one uses to cut their genitals .. that scares the shit out out of me..
      
    so  the story of adze goes like this....
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    the adze first appeared back in at least 8000 BC (possibly earlier) when Reindeer antlers were sharpened to form a cutting edge. In the late Mesolithic adzes were made by

    knapping flint (shaping flint to make tools).In the Neolithic period the adze were made of ground stone, such as amphibolite, basalt or Jadeite. Copper and bronze adzes developed after 3000 BC (the end of the Neolithic period)and are similar to the ones we have today.During the Eighteenth Century advances in saw design led to a slow decline in their use.

    the uses:Adzes are used for smoothing or carving wood in professions such as carpentry railroads and boat building. making things like dugout canoe, boles,log homes, wood dikes and almost anything that needs howling out.

    how to use: the trick is to pivot the adze on your hip and waist and then move in a arcke. Its all about removing small amounts of wood little bit at a time.

    Indeed Abraha  must have used some trick to cut his own dick ... Self medication? self mutilation? self hypnosis? self anesthesia ? self brain washing? ..

    I don't know.. I don't care .. but I know this much  and I am sure about this   "that IDIOTS WRITE NONSENSE  and name it as scriptures... " and brain wash people with a lie that such words are from Prophets, messengers, god/s and what not...
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  • Ibrahim circumcised himself with an axe, at age 80
     Reply #5 - April 12, 2015, 06:57 PM
    Ibrahim (originally Abraham, original name Avram, not sure how the Quran butchered this name the way it did--many theories about this one) almost certainly never existed. The vast majority opinion of biblical scholarship is that the Torah (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, & Deuteronomy) was written by reactionary Jewish priests/scholars living in the Babylonian exile period and thus more than 2000 years removed from the events the claim to describe. Abraham was a pious legend whose antiquity could not be much more than 1000 years before the exile (judging from how the story talks of camels domesticated in Egypt, which were not around in the 3000's). We can say with 99.9% certainly that no such figure ever existed. The Quran and Hadith stories are of course based on this same mythical character but 4000 years after the fact, so even less reliable. All of the midrashic Jewish, Christian, and Islamic material about him, such as this charming story, are only bunk built upon bunk.
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  • Ibrahim circumcised himself with an axe, at age 80
     Reply #6 - April 12, 2015, 07:23 PM
    Preach on CJ.  It goes to show how depressingly uncritical the field of religious studies is that Abraham was taken as a historical figure by so many scholars for so long.

    And don't even get me started on Abu Lahab and Abu Jahl.  A six year old would see through that one.  Yet to this day most scholars seem to think he was historical.  It's flat-out astonishing.
  • Ibrahim circumcised himself with an axe, at age 80
     Reply #7 - April 12, 2015, 07:44 PM
    it really is, especially since in Arabic jokes if you want to say "oh he's got such a big beard" you'll call someone "abu al-la7iya" id est "father of the beard." It's not any big secret that this is a common convention in Arabic.
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  • Ibrahim circumcised himself with an axe, at age 80
     Reply #8 - April 12, 2015, 07:45 PM
    Quote from: countjulian on April 12, 2015, 06:57 PM
    Ibrahim (originally Abraham, original name Avram, not sure how the Quran butchered this name the way it did--many theories about this one) almost certainly never existed. The vast majority opinion of biblical scholarship is that the Torah (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, & Deuteronomy) was written by reactionary Jewish priests/scholars living in the Babylonian exile period and thus more than 2000 years removed from the events the claim to describe. Abraham was a pious legend whose antiquity could not be much more than 1000 years before the exile (judging from how the story talks of camels domesticated in Egypt, which were not around in the 3000's). We can say with 99.9% certainly that no such figure ever existed. The Quran and Hadith stories are of course based on this same mythical character but 4000 years after the fact, so even less reliable. All of the midrashic Jewish, Christian, and Islamic material about him, such as this charming story, are only bunk built upon bunk.


    Thats very informative, thanks for the information.  Smiley

    But I guess I phrased my question wrong. What I meant to ask was whether muslims believe in this story or not. Because the story in itself is quite crazy. 80 year old senile person butchers himself with a stone axe, and people are doing the same (thankfully not using axes) to their children, in this day and age.

    On a similar note, was Muhammad himself circumcised, whats the story on that one? Some claim there is no proof of that.
  • Ibrahim circumcised himself with an axe, at age 80
     Reply #9 - April 12, 2015, 08:07 PM
    It's hard to say whether or not he was. His movement appears to have been some type of "Arian" (id est low-christological and/or non-trinitarian) Christian movement, but at the same time it was highly judaeic or judaeizing. So as to the penis of the prophet, I could see the argument being made either way.
    إطلب العلم ولو في الصين

    Es sitzt keine Krone so fest und so hoch,
    Der mutige Springer erreicht sie doch.

    I don't give a fuck about your war, or your President.
  • Ibrahim circumcised himself with an axe, at age 80
     Reply #10 - April 12, 2015, 08:27 PM
    As to mainstream Muslim belief, I have never heard of this before. I don't doubt there's a Hadith somewhere or other for this, as there are tons of those crazy bits floating around, but as to whether or not mainstream Sunni Islam accepts this as true (or whether it's just 1 or more particular madhaahib that accept it) you would be better served sending an email to ask the mufti lol.
    إطلب العلم ولو في الصين

    Es sitzt keine Krone so fest und so hoch,
    Der mutige Springer erreicht sie doch.

    I don't give a fuck about your war, or your President.
  • Ibrahim circumcised himself with an axe, at age 80
     Reply #11 - April 13, 2015, 12:56 AM
    Makes you wonder how freakish his penis was that he could circumcise himself with an axe. I'm picturing something the length and look of an empty sleeve.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Ibrahim circumcised himself with an axe, at age 80
     Reply #12 - April 13, 2015, 03:16 AM
    By coincidence I came past this slightly related snippet:

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    A very strange and singular people, in terms of their rituals, lives in the desert near Baghdad; they are called Sabaeans. Many of them came to me and begged me insistently to go and visit them. They are a very simple people and they claim to possess a secret law of God, which they preserve in beautiful books. Their writing is a sort of middle way between Syriac and Arabic. They detest Abraham because of circumcision and they venerate John the Baptist above all. They live only near a few rivers in the desert. They wash day and night so as not to be condemned by God…

    - Ricoldo da Montecroce on the Mandaeans, ca. 1290 AD (Wikipedia article)
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