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  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #690 - August 23, 2015, 11:41 PM
     Ted you seem not know the difference between Science and religion.,

     Unlike religion. Science doesn't work with ABSOLUTISM .

    There is no way of correcting Nonsense in religions as it is a belief,  where as  nonsense in science   is thrown in to dust bin within no time.

    No one  in the scientific community  will say "believe me I am right" without any  scientific evidence.  Where as religious community   defend the idea  of a belief   before looking  for the evidence ..

    I can go on  writing the differences between the two., but you seem  to be stuck on to belief  " your are right and every one is wrong."  that is not a right attitude Ted..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #691 - August 23, 2015, 11:44 PM
    Quote from: Qtian on August 23, 2015, 11:12 PM
    Ted, stop rejecting my advances.

    I have died everyday, waiting for you.
    Darling, don't be afraid, I have loved you.


    I know.  I'm just playing hard to get. Wink
    My nasheed. Sing it with me!
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #692 - August 23, 2015, 11:45 PM
    Play harder, I love it.
    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #693 - August 23, 2015, 11:57 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on August 23, 2015, 11:41 PM
    Ted you seem not know the difference between Science and religion.,

     Unlike religion. Science doesn't work with ABSOLUTISM .

    There is no way of correcting Nonsense in religions as it is a belief,  where as  nonsense in science   is thrown in to dust bin within no time.

    No one  in the scientific community  will say "believe me I am right" without any  scientific evidence.  Where as religious community   defend the idea  of a belief   before looking  for the evidence ..

    I can go on  writing the differences between the two., but you seem  to be stuck on to belief  " your are right and every one is wrong."  that is not a right attitude Ted..


    You forget yeez that at one time you were not aware of who you were or what God is. From where did your intellect develop?  Like most people you are inclined to question and think it's not your choice. You've been brainwashed to think of science versus religion just as you thought dust naturally forms stars and planets. It's not like that. Sorry but it's going to take effort to understand the science for what it is.
    My nasheed. Sing it with me!
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #694 - August 24, 2015, 12:29 AM
    Quote from: CallMeTed on August 23, 2015, 11:57 PM
    You forget yeez that at one time you were not aware of who you were or what God is.

    No I have forgotten nothing., Well I will keep options open .,  I always considered myself as a human being and the biological processes  that made  me are essentially same as any other species on this earth ., As far god is concerned., I KILLED THE GOD OF RELIGIONS god in general long ago.. I guess I was a 13 year old boy when I started realizing., this religious god construct is a human invention . So I don't care about god of any religion.  I do  believe in GODLINESS/actions based upon golden rule as guidance to my life and to my actions.  

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    From where did your intellect develop?

     
    Oh that is looong and continuous process and it is still under development .. We are standing on the shoulders many many intelligent people who died looong ago. ..who left their legacy for future generations.. Human intellect  and its development is a continuous process ..

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    Like most people you are inclined to question and think it's not your choice. You've been brainwashed to think of science versus religion just as you thought dust naturally forms stars and planets. It's not like that. Sorry but it's going to take effort to understand the science for what it is.

    that is just nonsense you are writing.. if you know the answer  to question such as

    why water is liquid..
    what is chemical bond..
    what is hydrogen bond....
    what are the interactions that makes cluster of atoms in to solids  
    so and so questions will clarify your simple  doubts Ted..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #695 - August 24, 2015, 03:26 AM
    https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1KmjyHt41n1nXulf8mfdCVqQfdPF8-V5AKzetbqBjIWA/edit?usp=sharing
    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #696 - August 24, 2015, 05:30 AM
     
    Quote from: gal_from_usa on August 24, 2015, 03:26 AM
    https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1KmjyHt41n1nXulf8mfdCVqQfdPF8-V5AKzetbqBjIWA/edit?usp=sharing


    Troll.
    My nasheed. Sing it with me!
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #697 - August 24, 2015, 07:13 AM
    galfromusa, all the nasty ones here,

    Sorry but I'm confused. I've discussed the creation of life, dust collapsing to form rocks and now how ice caps form on mountains. These are scientific things are they not? Why do you keep mocking and ridiculing me like others here just because I believe in God? Why not challenge the science I have mentioned and prove me wrong? Why do you and others here resort to being nastiness which then in turn makes me want to poke fun at you guys. Can't you guys just be nice or have you all had such bad experiences that you now want to take it out on me a believer? Why are you all acting like bullies or do you not even recognise that you are being bullies?

    Please return to being human, being nice and cordial.
    My nasheed. Sing it with me!
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #698 - August 24, 2015, 07:37 AM
    No worries Ted, it's just a bit of silly banter..  : )
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #699 - August 24, 2015, 07:45 AM
    Quote from: CallMeTed on August 24, 2015, 07:13 AM
    galfromusa, all the nasty ones here,

    Sorry but I'm confused. I've discussed the creation of life, dust collapsing to form rocks and now how ice caps form on mountains. These are scientific things are they not? Why do you keep mocking and ridiculing me like others here just because I believe in God? Why not challenge the science I have mentioned and prove me wrong?






    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #700 - August 24, 2015, 08:21 AM
    Lol.
    My nasheed. Sing it with me!
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #701 - August 24, 2015, 08:51 AM
    bogart, are you still there my good friend?
    My nasheed. Sing it with me!
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #702 - August 24, 2015, 09:03 AM
    Quote from: CallMeTed on August 24, 2015, 07:13 AM
    galfromusa, all the nasty ones here,

    Sorry but I'm confused.

    Ted indeed you are confused .. but that is OK...  Keep options open.. keep enquiring ... keep questioning

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    I've discussed the creation of life, dust collapsing to form rocks and now how ice caps form on mountains.

    you have discussed NOTHING ted.. you just wrote nonsense  using YOUR BELIEF on subject like  creation of life...dust collapsing to form rocks ..... how ice caps form on mountains.,,whatever ., and your belief is simple..   whatever your god of your brain may be "GOD DID IT".. your god did it., that is your belief.,  

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    These are scientific things are they not? Why do you keep mocking and ridiculing me like others here just because I believe in God? Why not challenge the science I have mentioned and prove me wrong? Why do you and others here resort to being nastiness which then in turn makes me want to poke fun at you guys. Can't you guys just be nice or have you all had such bad experiences that you now want to take it out on me a believer? Why are you all acting like bullies or do you not even recognise that you are being bullies?

    but Ted the reason people doing that is because if your read your posts  you will find that you are doing the same thing. And on top of it,  you are projecting yourself as ALL KNOWING allahgod messenger who taps in to the knowledge of allahgod through some jinn gabriel wikipedia

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    Please return to being human, being nice and cordial.


    let me tell you this.,    YOU WILL NOT FIND ANY FORUM ON WEB as human as CEMB.. as nice as CEMB and as cordial as folks in CEMB ..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #703 - August 24, 2015, 09:38 AM
    Quote from: CallMeTed on August 24, 2015, 07:13 AM
    Why not challenge the science I have mentioned and prove me wrong?

    Because you don't give any science to challenge. Ted, I'm not mocking you, in the one on one I've tried repeatedly to point this out to you. You don't present arguments, you present statements with no argument. I'm not taking the piss out of you, I'm simply pointing it out.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #704 - August 24, 2015, 09:46 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on August 24, 2015, 09:38 AM
    Because you don't give any science to challenge. Ted, I'm not mocking you, in the one on one I've tried repeatedly to point this out to you. You don't present arguments, you present statements with no argument. I'm not taking the piss out of you, I'm simply pointing it out.

    Huh! what?   QSE....why not?? what is wrong with that ?? and what is wrong with you??  finmad

    You got to take the piss and shit out of people .. by doing that in fact you are helping them,   you don't know what will happen to the person when he/she keeps piss & shit inside them??

    they make life miserable to themselves and to those around/interacting with them..  that damn pissshit smell follow wherever they go   Cheesy    So the point is it is good to take that pissshit out of them., The problem here is., what method  should we use  to take that out of them..   that is the problem..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #705 - August 24, 2015, 09:52 AM
    Quod,

    Let me recap.

    Can life be produced through natural processes? No.
    Can humans create synthetic life through any other processes? No.
    Does dust form rock naturally? No.
    Where does the extra speed come from to make the rocket hover over position X? No answer. Bogart seems to have gone AWOL over that. No one else has stepped forward. Is the maths too hard?

    For the above we could have gone through all the details of what scientists tried and why what they tried doesn't work but we could be here for years. My argument was simply that what we perceive as being natural is in fact not natural. You're free to have the opinion that science will figure it out later and so forth. I don't care. If you guys are not fascinated why so called natural things are not natural then that's you're problem. There are many many scientists who do find it fascinating and continue to dig deeper who actually got of their asses actually did the MOST BASIC experiments. That's what proper scientists do.

    The next topic is how ice caps form on come mountains. Simply saying "thin air" doesn't say much for interest in proper science even though I gave you the greenhouse example which should have made think.

    What do you want me to do? I take you step by step and you're not stepping up.
    My nasheed. Sing it with me!
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #706 - August 24, 2015, 09:53 AM
    Quote from: yeezevee on August 24, 2015, 09:46 AM
    Huh! what?   QSE....why not?? what is wrong with that ?? and what is wrong with you??  finmad

    You got to take the piss and shit out of people .. by doing that in fact you are helping them,   you don't know what will happen to the person when he/she keeps piss & shit inside them??

    they make life miserable to themselves and to those around/interacting with them..  that damn pissshit smell follow wherever they go   Cheesy    So the point is it is good to take that pissshit out of them., The problem here is., what method  should we use  to take that out of them..   that is the problem..


    I feel for you yeez. You must have some bad experiences. Chill out dude.
    My nasheed. Sing it with me!
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #707 - August 24, 2015, 10:17 AM
    Quote from: CallMeTed on August 24, 2015, 09:52 AM
    Quod,

    Let me recap.

    Can life be produced through natural processes? No.
    Can humans create synthetic life through any other processes? No.
    Does dust form rock naturally? No.
    Where does the extra speed come from to make the rocket hover over position X? No answer. Bogart seems to have gone AWOL over that. No one else has stepped forward. Is the maths too hard?

    For the above we could have gone through all the details of what scientists tried and why what they tried doesn't work but we could be here for years. My argument was simply that what we perceive as being natural is in fact not natural. You're free to have the opinion that science will figure it out later and so forth. I don't care. If you guys are not fascinated why so called natural things are not natural then that's you're problem. There are many many scientists who do find it fascinating and continue to dig deeper who actually got of their asses actually did the MOST BASIC experiments. That's what proper scientists do.

    The next topic is how ice caps form on come mountains. Simply saying "thin air" doesn't say much for interest in proper science even though I gave you the greenhouse example which should have made think.

    What do you want me to do? I take you step by step and you're not stepping up.



    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #708 - August 24, 2015, 10:22 AM
    Quote from: CallMeTed on August 24, 2015, 09:52 AM
    What do you want me to do?

    Give arguments to back up your statements. You've done it again just now.

    For your first question, I've clearly explained that limited knowledge gives limited answers. We don't know for a fact how life started. I went through this with you. Don't just say say it can't be natural and then make something up about natural meaning artificial, give me your arguments. If you think you have given actual arguments then I don't know how to explain the difference between claims and statements and arguments.

    Can humans create synthetic life through any other processes? Google Mycoplasma mycoides JCVI-syn1.0. But what exactly does this have to do with anything?

    Does dust form rock naturally. Why no? What argument do you have for this? How else does it happen? Tell me so I can discuss it with you.

    Where does the extra speed come from to make the rocket hover over position X? I don't know what this means.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #709 - August 24, 2015, 10:58 AM
    Quote from: CallMeTed on August 24, 2015, 09:53 AM
    I feel for you yeez.

    See that.. I am such a sorry pathetic figure of life .. even Ted is feeling for me..  thank you ted.. thank for that courtsey

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    You must have some bad experiences.

    Well what is  life without bad experiences Ted??  Yes I did have some bad experiences.., I will have in future also.. So what Not big deal life goes on., I will be quite content and happy if I don't give other  people  the trouble and bad experiences due to me..

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    Chill out dude.

    dude...............dodadoodo..........  kakadudadooo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBjiBpFYubU

    Ted...ted..ted.......  I sleep in liquid Nitrogen.... and I am pushing myself to make a space in liquid helium tank ., So don't worry about chilling but please continue to read...
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #710 - August 24, 2015, 11:21 AM


    Hmm Interesting book ...
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #711 - August 25, 2015, 03:32 PM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on August 24, 2015, 10:22 AM
    Give arguments to back up your statements. You've done it again just now.

    For your first question, I've clearly explained that limited knowledge gives limited answers. We don't know for a fact how life started. I went through this with you. Don't just say say it can't be natural and then make something up about natural meaning artificial, give me your arguments. If you think you have given actual arguments then I don't know how to explain the difference between claims and statements and arguments.

    Can humans create synthetic life through any other processes? Google Mycoplasma mycoides JCVI-syn1.0. But what exactly does this have to do with anything?

    Does dust form rock naturally. Why no? What argument do you have for this? How else does it happen? Tell me so I can discuss it with you.

    Where does the extra speed come from to make the rocket hover over position X? I don't know what this means.


    Sorry I'll answer all the above soon. Having some problems at the moment.

    My nasheed. Sing it with me!
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #712 - August 25, 2015, 04:16 PM
    Quote from: yeezevee on August 24, 2015, 10:58 AM
    Well what is  life without bad experiences Ted??  Yes I did have some bad experiences.., I will have in future also.. So what Not big deal life goes on., I will be quite content and happy if I don't give other  people  the trouble and bad experiences due to me..


    I think I'm going through one now. I've never felt it so bad and I've had some mega ones. The crazy thing is that it's me and I know the answer to it. I'm learning how bad I am, who I really am, so dam materialistic and weak in faith and a selfish arrogant prick. Will start to read the quran regular and properly to see if it helps like it used to. If I didn't know God exists it would be much much easier.

    I feel for you yeez I really really do. But hang in there. This life is a tiny blip in eternity. It's gonna get much much better very soon., God willing.
    My nasheed. Sing it with me!
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #713 - August 25, 2015, 05:24 PM
    I'm sorry to hear you're not doing so well. Believing in god makes things harder?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #714 - August 25, 2015, 06:24 PM
    Thanks. The problem is I fear God and I have a good idea of where I'm heading with my current state. I know what I need to do which is to stop clinging to the life of this world and to put trust in God. But I'm finding it hard. I was happier during my atheist days. Lost but happy.  I don't want pain and suffering but this is what I signed up for. Just didn't realize it was going to get this hard. Coming to this forum has actually made me feel worse listening to some the personal stories. I feel absolutely awful for some of the members here. So much misunderstandings from both sides.
    My nasheed. Sing it with me!
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #715 - August 25, 2015, 07:31 PM
    I find it interesting you use the word fear, not love. If god is truly just and merciful then a good person doesn't have anything to worry about, surely.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #716 - August 25, 2015, 08:04 PM
    Yes you are right. A good person has nothing to worry about. But I'm not good yet. Done lot's of bad things to people. I'm sorry for it all but need to go further. The worst thing is I find it hard being clean, humble, patient and kind I just don't want to be like that. I have to fight to be good. That's the big problem. I don't want to be this person. It just clicked to me yesterday what I am really like.

    Simply believing in God doesn't help you. It's your actions that matter as a believer.
    My nasheed. Sing it with me!
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #717 - August 25, 2015, 08:09 PM
    Quote from: nesrin on February 17, 2013, 01:02 PM
    looking for a loving god and finding Allah can be pretty disappointing..
    i'm glad you made your way here  Smiley
    hi and welcome..

  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #718 - August 25, 2015, 08:11 PM
    When you say you're not a good person, do you mean a good muslim or actually a good person?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Ringside: Quod Sum Eris vs CallMeTed - Is there scientific evidence that proves
     Reply #719 - August 25, 2015, 08:23 PM
    Good person.
    My nasheed. Sing it with me!
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